9/11

Black Dog · March 1, 2007

Many of you are, the rest are just hockey pucks. So if I was standing on a corner saying I was Jesus Christ would you spend all this time convincing me that I wasn't ?
If the 911 truthies are so rediculous, why do you participate in this thread ?

For the first time, PN has a point. Of course, like everything else he says, it's not particularily original.

People, you shopuld know by now (12 pages and counting!) that conspiracy nuts will not be swayed by facts or evidence or anything that doesn' fit their pre-ordained conclusions. That's why they are conspiracy nuts. The best strategy is to treat them as you would any other crazy person. Back away slowly while avoiding eye contact.

Of course, I should point out that, if PN's theory were true, us government spooks wouldn't be bothering trying to prove him wrong on the internet. We'd just track him down and "dissapear" him.

Canadian Blue · March 1, 2007

No Black Dog apparently we are all a bunch of ancient Greek experts in the art of debate and rhetoric, otherwise known as sophists. While Polynewbie is the 21st century equivalent of either Socrates or Plato.

Sophist is just another one of the terms that has been flung around on this forum.

Riverwind · March 1, 2007

If the 911 truthies are so rediculous, why do you participate in this thread ?

For the same reasons I would participate in a thread started by holocaust deniers or white supremacists. Free speech gives everyone the right to spew whatever nonsense they dream up but it is dangerous to let deliberate lies and distortions go answered because a lie repeated enough can become accepted as truth (at least by some people). That is what Polynewbie is trying to do - he thinks that if he repeats the same idiotic arguments enough times that people will start to believe him.

Canadian Blue · March 1, 2007

Yeah we've been going on about it for 91 pages. Isn't this a mapleleafweb record.

PolyNewbie · March 1, 2007

Riverwind:For the same reasons I would participate in a thread started by holocaust deniers or white supremacists.

What do you think of the war in Iraq ? Have you done any posts on that ?

Canadian Blue · March 1, 2007

Here's the thing I don't get, when Polynewbie talks about the kind of system he wants in place he cites the type of people and nation's we should model ourselves after. First things first, he claimed that Julius Ceasar wanted to bring in monetary reforms and was killed because of it [amazingly this is extremely historically innaccurate]. Secondly, the countries which don't "bow down to the bankers" are all despotic dictatorships. Which really isn't a good sign, and plus his continued infatuation with Lyndon Larouche doesn't really bode well for democracy.

What do you think of the war in Iraq ? Have you done any posts on that ?

I oppose the war in Iraq, what does it have to do with anything related to this thread?

PolyNewbie · March 1, 2007

CanadianBlue:Secondly, the countries which don't "bow down to the bankers" are all despotic dictatorships.

No, I said that whenever a country gets a government that does work for the people the bankers come in and try and overthrow the governments (with wars, coups or fake terrorism), put a corrupt government in place, pay them off to let the private banks get a monopoly on making their currency.

CanadianBlue:First things first, he claimed that Julius Ceasar wanted to bring in monetary reforms and was killed because of it [amazingly this is extremely historically innaccurate].

Its not that simple. It has to do with the ratios of value between gold & silver and how they differed in Rome from other places. I'm just reading about this now so I'll explain maybe toward the end of next week.

CanadianBlue:I oppose the war in Iraq, what does it have to do with anything related to this thread?

I'm just wondering how many posts you did about that compared to how many posts you have written sticking up for the private international bankers. You said your salary was about 30 K so I'm just wondering how much of a hockey puck you are.

Canadian Blue · March 1, 2007

No, I said that whenever a country gets a government that does work for the people the bankers come in and try and overthrow the governments (with wars, coups or fake terrorism), put a corrupt government in place, pay them off to let the private banks get a monopoly on making their currency.

So Iraq was a government that worked for the people, and Julius Ceasar who made himself into a dictator was the same.

Its not that simple. It has to do with the ratios of value between gold & silver and how they differed in Rome from other places. I'm just reading about this now so I'll explain maybe toward the end of next week.

Are you reading it from a credible source, or is it simply another college dropout giving you this information because he nothing better to do.

I'm just wondering how many posts you did about that compared to how many posts you have written sticking up for the private international bankers. You said your salary was about 30 K so I'm just wondering how much of a hockey puck you are.

I work for the Canadian government. But I'm not really a pawn for the international bankers, I'm simply a rational individual.

PolyNewbie · March 2, 2007

CanadianBlue:Are you reading it from a credible source, or is it simply another college dropout giving you this information because he nothing better to do.

I think by college dropout you mean Alex Jones. I wonder what someone with a masters degree in political science (Paul Watson) is doing working for Jones and taking orders from him.

Canadian Blue · March 2, 2007

I think by college dropout you mean Alex Jones. I wonder what someone with a masters degree in political science (Paul Watson) is doing working for Jones and taking orders from him.

Someone who couldn't get hired by any respected institution, so he end's up working for some college dropout instead.

PolyNewbie · March 2, 2007

CanadianBlue:Someone who couldn't get hired by any respected institution, so he end's up working for some college dropout instead.

Interesting (but expected) response.

Canadian Blue · March 2, 2007

Yeah, because it's the correct response. What would someone with a somewhat superior education be working and taking orders from some tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones.

PolyNewbie · March 3, 2007

CanadianBlue:CanadianBlue:Are you reading it from a credible source, or is it simply another college dropout giving you this information because he nothing better to do.

I think by college dropout you mean Alex Jones. I wonder what someone with a masters degree in political science (Paul Watson) is doing working for Jones and taking orders from him.

CanadianBlue:What would someone with a somewhat superior education be working and taking orders from some tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones.

How much do they pay you for this crap ?

Canadian Blue · March 3, 2007

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CanadianBlue:What would someone with a somewhat superior education be working and taking orders from some tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones.

How much do they pay you for this crap ?

Nothing, I'm trying to bring some basic logic back to this thread.

PolyNewbie · March 3, 2007

You should consider getting a water filter for floride and start eating organic foods. Your diet could possibly explain your idea of logic.

Canadian Blue · March 3, 2007

You should consider getting a water filter for floride and start eating organic foods. Your diet could possibly explain your idea of logic.

I usually only drink bottled water, and I do eat organic foods. I think that your logic is abit lacking from your response. I highly doubt flouride causes a deterioration in a person being rational.

White Doors · March 3, 2007

Depending upon how much fluorintated water you drink?

Poly?

Riverwind · March 3, 2007

I highly doubt flouride causes a deterioration in a person being rational.

You have never heard of the 'flouride conspiracy' then. Take a look: http://www.ekostv.com/node/125

It appears Poly has never read a conspiracy theory that he doesn't love.

jbg · March 3, 2007

I highly doubt flouride causes a deterioration in a person being rational.
You have never heard of the 'flouride conspiracy' then. Take a look: http://www.ekostv.com/node/125
It appears Poly has never read a conspiracy theory that he doesn't love.

They're coming to take me away, hah hah ho ho hee hee hi hi to the funny farm....

Catchme · March 3, 2007

re thought and investigated further changed opinion

PolyNewbie · March 3, 2007

Its like this (try & follow this logic)

You have one of your buddies over and you leave a small amount of money on your kitchen counter. When your buddy leaves the money is gone too.

You have just paid a small amount of money to learn something about your friend. Is this person your fiend anymore ? Do you trust anything that they say ? Would you have them feed your cat while you are on vacation ?

Thats why I don't trust governement. Plus history shows that powerful groups eventually have their own agenda, no matter how noble their original intentions.

Why would these various doctors say something is wrong with floridization if there wasn't ? Its not just a few of them - many are saying it. When a toxicologist says there is something wrong, the only possible reason is that he believes there is something wrong. He could be wrong but is not likely lying. People don't lie unless it benefits them and there is no benefit to the doctors saying this.

Why would a doctor say there is nothing wrong with flouride ? Two possibilities (1) They don't believe the conspiracy theory. (2) They are lying from the pressure of the establishment or have been mislead by the establishement.

On the subject of 911, there are many engineers that claimed the fuel melted the steel when it burned. This is an obvious lie. The official version of 911 is full of them. Thats why I don't believe the official version. All the evidence points to 911 being an inside job. There are too many smoking guns to count.

Canadian Blue · March 3, 2007

On the subject of 911, there are many engineers that claimed the fuel melted the steel when it burned. This is an obvious lie. The official version of 911 is full of them. Thats why I don't believe the official version. All the evidence points to 911 being an inside job. There are too many smoking guns to count.

According to who, someone who has no experience as a civil engineer. Your creating your own "truth", and concocting your own "lies".

Why would a doctor say there is nothing wrong with flouride ? Two possibilities (1) They don't believe the conspiracy theory. (2) They are lying from the pressure of the establishment or have been mislead by the establishement.

The establishment?

Why would these various doctors say something is wrong with floridization if there wasn't ? Its not just a few of them - many are saying it. When a toxicologist says there is something wrong, the only possible reason is that he believes there is something wrong. He could be wrong but is not likely lying. People don't lie unless it benefits them and there is no benefit to the doctors saying this.

So the only people who are "lying" are those who refuse to accept your point of view. I think you should seriously review the idea behind "truth" and "lying". They are both complete cliche's in this thread and serve no purpose anymore.

Oh, here is the link to the youtube video showng the BBC reporter, reporting that towe WT7 had just collapsed, when it is still clearly standing as shown behind her. And it would not collapse for another 20 mins, in the exact manner she described, and with no injuries as she also reported.

Then all of the media anchors were given a complete gameplan and exact times of when buildings were to fall down by the "establishment".

LOLOLOLOLOL; ohhhhhhhhhh BBC let's the snake slither out and they didn't even know it, or did they?

First of all, stop saying LOLOLOLOL, it doesn't even make any sense. Laugh out loud out laugh out loud out laugh, whatever. Second, I highly doubt the BBC was in with the Jews, Freemasons, Rockefellers, etc. in this supposed conspiracy.

Riverwind · March 3, 2007

Why would these various doctors say something is wrong with fluoridation if there wasn't?

Science cannot always provide black and white answers. Look at the debate on global warming. Fluoride is in the water because there is science that shows that the public health benefits outweigh the potential harms. It is perfectly reasonable to question the science and ask to revisit the question (e.g. has the rise of bottled water use decreased the effectiveness of fluoride). However, there is a big difference between saying the science done in the past was flawed and here's why and inventing some elaborate conspiracy theory involving international bankers seeking to dump toxic waste.

Furthermore, it is also important to get the facts right to start with. For example, WHO claims that:

Levels of daily exposure to fluoride depend mainly on the geographical area. In the
Netherlands, the total daily intake is calculated to be 1.4–6.0 mg of fluoride. Food

seems to be the source of 80–85% of fluoride intake; intake from drinking-water is

0.03–0.68 mg/day and from toothpaste 0.2–0.3 mg/day.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health...ls/fluoride.pdf

This data implies that it is a waste of time to add fluoride in the Netherlands because it is insignificant compared to other sources of fluoride in the diet. This would explain why some studies on the effect of fluoridation are inconclusive.

The WHO report concludes with this:

There is no evidence to suggest that the guideline value of 1.5 mg/litre set in 1984 and
reaffirmed in 1993 needs to be revised. Concentrations above this value carry an

increasing risk of dental fluorosis, and much higher concentrations lead to skeletal

fluorosis. The value is higher than that recommended for artificial fluoridation of

water supplies, which is usually 0.5–1.0 mg/litre (Murray, 1986).

In 2000, another study revisited the value of fluoride and found:

Water fluoridation was associated with an increased proportion of children without caries and a reduction in the number of teeth affected by caries. The range (median) of mean differences in the proportion of children without caries was 5.0% to 64% (14.6%). The range (median) of mean change in decayed, missing, and filled primary/permanent teeth was 0.5 to 4.4 (2.25) teeth.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/321/7265/855

That said, both the WHO report and the BMJ study indicate that there are health risks with higher levels of fluoride which implies the anti-fluoride advocates may have a point. After researching this issue I actually wonder if better public health incomes could be achieved by providing free dental care to children. OTOH - I also believe that the current policies regarding fluoridation are based on science and there is no conspiracy.

PolyNewbie · March 3, 2007

Riverwind: I also believe that the current policies regarding fluoridation are based on science and there is no conspiracy.

Phew !! Thats good news. Have you contacted those doctors and scientists that think there is to inform them of this new found fact ?

Riverwind · March 3, 2007

Phew !! Thats good news. Have you contacted those doctors and scientists that think there is to inform them of this new found fact ?

Do some research for yourself. There are lots of scientific studies that demonstrate the benefits of adding fluoride to the water in places where there is not a lot of natural fluoride. This is why the majority of public health authorities add it to the water. Anyone who claims that it is not backed up by science and it is a sinister plot to poison the water is simply a lunatic. OTOH, someone who argues that potential risks exceed the benefits is making a legitimate scientific argument.

Unfortunately, the public discussion about fluoride has been undermined by wackjobs like you who think that bankers are the source of all evil in the universe. This makes it difficult for serious scientists to support the cost vs. benefit argument because they don't want to be associated with the wackjobs that have hijacked the issue.