Hollywood muscles Canada

[bush_cheney2004]

The comparison is still laughable.

It's laughable to pirates, who also laugh at the law.

[GostHacked]

It's laughable to pirates, who also laugh at the law.

I know you are just being yourself, but you even know the comparison is laughable.

[Oleg Bach]

Intellectual property is almost impossible to protect these days - circulate screen play - or musical material in Hollywood or any idea factory - there are two lawyers who run Hollywood and they are professional theives of the highest order - most writers of so called intellectual property do not have the spark of talent - they do not have the gift...but they are more than happy to steal the "spark" they review good material and take the spark and create something else that is un-identifiable..

For instance, years ago I dealt with a music publisher - who demanded more and more material with little out come - Later I discovered that he was a type of sub-contractor for a major record lable - He had a staff of writers who cannibalized material - put a new face on it and send it up the food chain - when I confronted the head of the company after speaking to other writers across the nation ...I found out he was a fraud...and no one was getting paid - some how he maintained a very nice office and staff...parasites abound in the entertainment industry - For every person that sits on to there is a poverty struck genius sitting in a dingy basement some where.

[Wilber]

The tapes are his property. What are on those tapes doesn't matter, and if he wants to sell them that's his business. Unfortunately our hypocritical ass backwards law prevents this. IMV the guy paid his 10 bucks to go see it, so he didn't steal it.

The same could be said for kiddy porn. Guess you figure it's OK to steal books from the library as well.

[Wilber]

So what has that got to do with piracy?

The Cobra is the most copied car in history. Others have made a lot of money by ripping it off. All Shelby asked from the copiers is that they make a contribution to his foundation which helps kids who are and have undergone organ transplants. He spent most of his childhood in bed with heart problems and has been a transplant recipient himself. When they weren't willing to do even that, he started building them again himself even though he is now in his late eighties.

[Wilber]

Copyright is the most blatant form of a slap in the face of the true free market system. Let's see how far Hollywood would go if it didn't have copyright protection, the industry would be much more efficient and those artists might have to work a little harder to make it. People would be richer as we wouldn't be gouged for having to pay through the nose so somebody can make money out of thin air.

Hiding behind gov't legislation in order to soak consumers is flat out robbery.

The people making money out of thin air are those who are selling someone else's ideas, capital investment and work without compensating them. It really ticks me off when I have to pay a surcharge when I buy blank CD's to store my own stuff because of them being used to rip off the work of others. Reading posts like this makes it hard to argue against.

[ToadBrother]

To you I'm sure, but the issue of licensed manufacture of "copies" is real. Intellectual property rights matter....except for those who don't want to pay.

Like major record labels.

[Oleg Bach]

Like major record labels.

YEARS back while working on Blues Brothers 2000 - I worked with and ate lunch with a few old black performers who they dragged out of obscurity to work in the movie - ALL of them lived in poverty and NONE of them were paid for their intellectual property - and old record executive and his wife were also on set - they were prosperious in their old age..they robbed the brains and souls of the real talent.

[ToadBrother]

YEARS back while working on Blues Brothers 2000 - I worked with and ate lunch with a few old black performers who they dragged out of obscurity to work in the movie - ALL of them lived in poverty and NONE of them were paid for their intellectual property - and old record executive and his wife were also on set - they were prosperious in their old age..they robbed the brains and souls of the real talent.

Guys like Bo Diddley were ripped off big time. The record companies' claims that they're being damaged by piracy fall on deaf ears with me. They've been stealing from artists for decades. Let them croak, I say. I don't see any reason that the State should prop up a faltering business plan, especially one formulated by some of the biggest con artists ever to walk the earth.

In fact, it pretty much applies to the entertainment industry in general. Hollywood's creative accounting has been used on many occasions to rip off of investors and performers, but because it's the golden goose, the IRS doesn't swoop in there. If they did, I suspect most of the producers and studio heads would be sitting in jail.

So someone is going to have to explain to me why we should favor one group of criminals over another.

[Oleg Bach]

I signed a contract with a small label years ago- there was a clause that said..once the producer has re-couped his production cost..then they will begin paying me..that was 25 years ago- I guess they encured extra expenses like LIVING.

The world is littered with great artists that were robbed and vanquished by con men calling themselves record executives- The worst started back in the early 60s and late 70s...when lawyers from privledged back grounds decieded that practicing law was not glamourous or any fun- so they on mass entered the music and film buisness- most were coke heads without any ethics..and they propogated the myth that artists were an unstable crazed bunch and they needed lawyers to communicate with companies---put two lawyers together and they conspire to rob the real wealth creator and they did- they ruined the music and film buisness.

NOW the are crying because a kid with a computer program and a couple of high end mics can record what used to cost one hundred and thirty bucks an hour in an old analog 24 track recording studio..now the kid can do it with out them..and even market with out the help of big companies.

[GostHacked]

NOW the are crying because a kid with a computer program and a couple of high end mics can record what used to cost one hundred and thirty bucks an hour in an old analog 24 track recording studio..now the kid can do it with out them..and even market with out the help of big companies.

It was interesting running a record pool back in my home town with a good friend of mine. BMG was the worst when it came to how stuff was promoted. We had 20 DJs in our pool, and BMG would only give us 12 copies of anything. Frustrating to say the least. They would want to promote a track, so our guys played it in their respected clubs. For one track the feedback was bad, it was a pretty horrible track, but BMG did not want to hear it saying that we did not do our job well enough. The dance floor does not lie, if it clears the floor, chances are it's not a good track and won't be part of the DJs regular rotation. Not everything is going to be a #1 hit or even a top ten hit.

But to your point, I've been able to produce my own music for the past couple years. Nothing top notch professional jobs by any means, but I am getting better all the time. Computer technology has put the studio in the home. Mine is adequate but it could be better. Bought some gear here and there, and really just dedicated time into producing music. I am still learning the tools and that is the biggest roadblock at the moment. I got ideas and they are getting easier and done more quickly when I sit down to do a track. Nothing is written down before hand, and I never really know where it's gonna take me. It's a ton of fun to make music you like.

If I may shill, check out my website in my sig and try on a few tracks. !!! Always looking for feedback, good and bad. And I know I will get 'bah electronic music sucks!!!' .... heard that since I started Djing!!

[dre]

"Hide behind copyright laws to make a fortune."

Is this not what copyright laws are for?

I really don't know how you can call copying movies that are 'protected by copyright' and selling copies to countries of the world or for commercial use here in Canada, legitimate competition.

I call it theft and the federal government should implement laws to stop this outright theft.

You now whats theft? The refusal the media producers to issue replacement media. If I go and buy a movie I am purchasing a license to use that intellectual property for as long as I like. The problem is they intentionally sell it on non durable storage mediums... Non durable crap like CD's and DVD's. So once my CD or DVD is useless and I want to replace it Im charged the full price again... even though I already bought a license... instead of being charged a couple of bucks for manufacturing costs. This in itself is actually a violation of copyright law... and a scam that has allowed media companies to steal billions of dollars. So its kinda hard to feel sorry for these dinosaurs.

[bush_cheney2004]

The problem is they intentionally sell it on non durable storage mediums... Non durable crap like CD's and DVD's. So once my CD or DVD is useless and I want to replace it Im charged the full price again...

LOL! I have "media" that was made in the 1930's and is still quite useable (16mm films and 78rpm records). So what's your problem with the preservation of such media? What a lame rationalization for stealing copyrighted material.

[Guest TrueMetis]

You now whats theft? The refusal the media producers to issue replacement media. If I go and buy a movie I am purchasing a license to use that intellectual property for as long as I like. The problem is they intentionally sell it on non durable storage mediums... Non durable crap like CD's and DVD's. So once my CD or DVD is useless and I want to replace it Im charged the full price again... even though I already bought a license... instead of being charged a couple of bucks for manufacturing costs. This in itself is actually a violation of copyright law... and a scam that has allowed media companies to steal billions of dollars. So its kinda hard to feel sorry for these dinosaurs.

Just burn a copy.

[Smallc]

Bluerays solve most of the prolblems of lack of durability.

[bush_cheney2004]

Bluerays solve most of the prolblems of lack of durability.

What durability problem? Instead of Blu-Ray it was Edison Blue Amberol!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOiFt47CsXo&feature=related

Edited May 29, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

You now whats theft? The refusal the media producers to issue replacement media. If I go and buy a movie I am purchasing a license to use that intellectual property for as long as I like. The problem is they intentionally sell it on non durable storage mediums... Non durable crap like CD's and DVD's. So once my CD or DVD is useless and I want to replace it Im charged the full price again... even though I already bought a license... instead of being charged a couple of bucks for manufacturing costs. This in itself is actually a violation of copyright law... and a scam that has allowed media companies to steal billions of dollars. So its kinda hard to feel sorry for these dinosaurs.

If you lose your copy of your CD, no one should be obligated to replace it. and CDs are durable. I have some that are over 20 years old. Don't know how rough you are treating yours. If you want to replace it, then pay the full price. I've bought some CDs several times because I either lost it or scratched the hell out of it. Not to mention there are neat items you can resurface your dvd cd with. It's not that hard.

And if you want to replace it, that is up to you and out of your own pocket as well. This should not allow one to be a complete idiot.

I buy a great deal of my music, I just rip it to MP3 and then store it on my shelf. I've lost more CDs than I care to admit. Also one time I had my entire library lifted from a hall when I stepped out for a bite after set up. Good thing I had insurance on it all.