US Covertly Funding Al Qaeda

[Catchme]

It seems the USA government, as opposed to looking for Al Qaeda and Osma, are actually covertly funding them again. Nice they just never learn from their mistakes, unless of course they were not mistakes at all.

This begs then, the questions going all the way back to 911, the invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq and now seemingly Iran.

Hersh says the U.S. has been “pumping money, a great deal of money, without congressional authority, without any congressional oversight” for covert operations in the Middle East where it wants to “stop the Shiite spread or the Shiite influence.” Hersh says these funds have ended up in the hands of “three Sunni jihadist groups” who are “connected to al Qaeda” but “want to take on Hezbollah.”

Hersh summed up his scoop in stark terms: “We are simply in a situation where this president is really taking his notion of executive privilege to the absolute limit here, running covert operations, using money that was not authorized by Congress, supporting groups indirectly that are involved with the same people that did 9/11.” Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/25/hersh-qaeda

Now this playing out with Iran and the false and lying targeting of Iran. The original Hersh article is very lengthy and very detailed but well worth the read should anyone want to gain factual insight into what is going on with ALL the players, and why they are playing. At least on the surface of why they are playing.

Still, the Pentagon is continuing intensive planning for a possible bombing attack on Iran, a process that began last year, at the direction of the President. In recent months, the former intelligence official told me, a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty-four hours.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/arti...ct_hersh?page=1

In the meantime, Israel has garnered air fly over space approval from all but Turkey.

[Catchme]

No, Bush supporters got criticism for their continued funding of Al Qaeda while our military personal is dying and being wounded in Afghanistan and we are spending billions of our tax dollars on nothing but lies?

[geoffrey]

I think the US generally sides with the Shi'a, I'm suspicious of anyone that claims the US is working the Sunni's on this one.

[Catchme]

Iran is Shiite.

Be skeptical all you want, but facts are facts, the USA is funding 3 groups tied to Al Qaeda.

[PolyNewbie]

People that are curious about what links Al CIA da to the Bush adminsitration should watch the movie about Straussian Phiolosophy called "The Power Of Nightmares". Here it outlines some philisophical histopry between Bin Laden and the USA and how both want fear to control their populations.

The movie is free on Google.

[geoffrey]

Iran is Shiite.

I think al Qaeda is a bigger enemy of the US today than Iran... Iran isn't really an enemy per say. Just a troubled neighbour that enjoys violating international law and direct resolutions.

Iran is the neighbour that burns garbage behind their house and puts out the fire before they can get a ticket... or the one that builds a massive fence that is unsightly. They aren't burning down my house though.

And that's why you won't see the US invade or attack with the current situation as is. They are more interested in a stable (and oil producing) Iran.

[Catchme]

Iran is Shiite.

I think al Qaeda is a bigger enemy of the US today than Iran... Iran isn't really an enemy per say. Just a troubled neighbour that enjoys violating international law and direct resolutions.

Why then is the USA funding Al Qaeda if they are a bigger threat?

The USA has been violating many more international laws than Iran, and breaking treaties left right and centre, do you suggest something should be done about them?

[geoffrey]

Why then is the USA funding Al Qaeda if they are a bigger threat?

They aren't, there is no real evidence of that. It's actually beyond absurd. The conclusions one can draw when they really want to draw one....

The USA has been violating many more international laws than Iran, and breaking treaties left right and centre, do you suggest something should be done about them?

What are you talking about? Which UN resolutions has the United States been found breaking? Which court has found them guilty of violations of 'international laws' (something I don't believe is a real thing... international suggestions are a better term)???

Who's been prosecuted and found guilty because obviously a nation can't be guilty (as was recently found in the Serbia case)?

Iran has been found in violation of UN resolutions and are currently facing sanctions as a result of their repeated violation.

[Alexandra]

Iran is Shiite.

Be skeptical all you want, but facts are facts, the USA is funding 3 groups tied to Al Qaeda.

If the following comments are an example of how Seymour Hersh's opinion piece should be considered credible, one must laugh out loud:

[quote}: "the USA/Evangelicals are backing this because they want Aramgeddon to happen and Israel must fill the Biblical mandate for the prophecy of the rapture.

Canadian evangelicals want Iran attacked for the same reasons as the US evangelicals do. Which is why Harper told Israel his "New" government will support them no matter what they do......."[end quote]

As a REMINDer, do the foregoing quotes seem familiar catchme?

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[Catchme]

Why then is the USA funding Al Qaeda if they are a bigger threat?

They aren't, there is no real evidence of that. It's actually beyond absurd. The conclusions one can draw when they really want to draw one....

The USA has been violating many more international laws than Iran, and breaking treaties left right and centre, do you suggest something should be done about them?

What are you talking about? Which UN resolutions has the United States been found breaking? Which court has found them guilty of violations of 'international laws' (something I don't believe is a real thing... international suggestions are a better term)???

Who's been prosecuted and found guilty because obviously a nation can't be guilty (as was recently found in the Serbia case)?

Iran has been found in violation of UN resolutions and are currently facing sanctions as a result of their repeated violation.

geoffery apaprently you did not read the links, and the links were quite specific the USA is funding 3 groups that are funding Al Qaeda.

Then the USA are doing this in Iran

America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

The operations are controversial because they involve dealing with movements that resort to terrorist methods in pursuit of their grievances against the Iranian regime.

In the past year there has been a wave of unrest in ethnic minority border areas of Iran, with bombing and assassination campaigns against soldiers and government officials.

Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph.

His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

Although Washington officially denies involvement in such activity, Teheran has long claimed to detect the hand of both America and Britain in attacks by guerrilla groups on its internal security forces. Last Monday, Iran publicly hanged a man, Nasrollah Shanbe Zehi, for his involvement in a bomb attack that killed 11 Revolutionary Guards in the city of Zahedan in Sistan-Baluchistan. An unnamed local official told the semi-official Fars news agency that weapons used in the attack were British and US-made.

Such a policy is fraught with risk, however. Many of the groups share little common cause with Washington other than their opposition to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose regime they accuse of stepping up repression of minority rights and culture.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../25/wiran25.xml

[sharkman]

Hey catchme, why don't you start another US bashing thread, this one seems to be fading. Maybe in the next one try using links that are more than left wing opinion crap. Just a thought...

[Catchme]

Just because you do not like the information truth and facts provided does not mean it is either left or opinion.

Perhaps you should try actually debating the content instead of attempting to attack the poster.

[Wilber]

Given the CIA's history it doesn't really surprise me they are hiring some shady groups with dubious motives to try and destabilize the Iranian regime but if there is a reference to Al Qaeda in your link, I missed it.

[GostHacked]

Hey catchme, why don't you start another US bashing thread, this one seems to be fading. Maybe in the next one try using links that are more than left wing opinion crap. Just a thought...

And yet another brilliant post by you Mr Sharkman.

What about this... there is another thread where we show the money that is missing from Iraq. How the US military flew pallets of wrapped 100 dollar bills to Iraq in the first phases of the war. To pay for the government ect... but a lot of that money is missing and could have easily been haneded to the insurgent groups... and since there was no paper trail of any transactions, then it could be seen as helping Al-Queda.

[Wilber]

What about this... there is another thread where we show the money that is missing from Iraq. How the US military flew pallets of wrapped 100 dollar bills to Iraq in the first phases of the war. To pay for the government ect... but a lot of that money is missing and could have easily been haneded to the insurgent groups... and since there was no paper trail of any transactions, then it could be seen as helping Al-Queda.

It could have happened therefore it is so.

[GostHacked]

What about this... there is another thread where we show the money that is missing from Iraq. How the US military flew pallets of wrapped 100 dollar bills to Iraq in the first phases of the war. To pay for the government ect... but a lot of that money is missing and could have easily been haneded to the insurgent groups... and since there was no paper trail of any transactions, then it could be seen as helping Al-Queda.

It could have happened therefore it is so.

It could have happened, so it COULD be so. I made no definates there at all. Just putting some numbers together, like 2 plus 2 is 4. But we should look at all possibilities. If the US did not monitor that money closer much of it could have been taken and given to insurgents by government insiders. And this is 100% possible/probable, but not 100% fact, which you think I had stated it as a fact. Even CNN FOX ect had said the money COULD have helped insurgents.

I threw something out there to expand on. Theory. I could be wrong, but I could be right.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/ Reported on Jan 31, 2005

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management, according to a watchdog report published Sunday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7737306/ Reported May, 2005

WASHINGTON - Americans overseeing cash handouts for rebuilding in southern Iraq could not adequately account for almost $100 million, and now criminal investigators are trying to figure out the money trail, according to a new audit by a government watchdog.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129489,00.html Reported August 20, 2004

WASHINGTON — A soon-to-be-released audit will show that at least $8.8 billion in Iraqi money that was given to Iraqi ministries by the former U.S.-led authority there cannot be accounted for, FOX News has confirmed.

So it begs the question... that is quite a bit of money missing just from those 3 articles. What are the chances of the money being funneled to insurgents? It obviously was done under the radar so no one would notice. And with the situation in Iraq as it is, I would imagine there will be more reports of even more money missing.

Whoever was keeping track of the transactions should be shot. So someone, Iraqi, or American is cooking the books and not tracking everything. I demand better accounting for the taxpayers money for this screwed up war. Demand answers.

Here is more on that http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=act...oney+iraq&meta=

[guyser]

. I demand better accounting for the taxpayers money for this screwed up war. Demand answers.

I dont doubt that some of this money has fallen into enemy hands. $8B is a large amount of money.

BUt um....last time I checked, Ottawa was still in ONT, so demands wont work. It was US greenbacks.

[GostHacked]

. I demand better accounting for the taxpayers money for this screwed up war. Demand answers.

I dont doubt that some of this money has fallen into enemy hands. $8B is a large amount of money.

BUt um....last time I checked, Ottawa was still in ONT, so demands wont work. It was US greenbacks.

Last time I checked it was in Ontario as well (thanks for that I ALMOST forgot where I live) However, it still does not take anything away from the fact that I demand better accounting for the taxpayers of this brutal war. On that note, I should even care more because Canada is involved in Afghanistan. And I would not doubt that money is missing there as well.

I really don't care if the money is in Dinars, dollars, pesos ect.. money is missing and we all should be pissed about it.

[sharkman]

Gost, look at yourself. You suggest, by way of conspiracy theory, that the U.S. has given money to terrorists, then extrapolate to accuse Canada of doing the same in Afghanistan. I myself am too busy to worry about what might have happened, or could happen, or should happen. I try to deal mostly with reality, that is, what we know happened. All the rest is just a waste of time. But go ahead, entertain yourself.

[GostHacked]

Gost, look at yourself. You suggest, by way of conspiracy theory, that the U.S. has given money to terrorists, then extrapolate to accuse Canada of doing the same in Afghanistan. I myself am too busy to worry about what might have happened, or could happen, or should happen. I try to deal mostly with reality, that is, what we know happened. All the rest is just a waste of time. But go ahead, entertain yourself.

I am happy you are taking my theory as fact and at face value. I am suggesting by a THEORY, conspiracy or otherwise. And the reality is that BILLIONS are missing from what was budgeted for Iraq. Besides you are too busy making useless posts that do not contribute anything of value to a thread. So keep on doing whatever it is you are doing. I am at least making an effort. Maybe you should focus on what if's, and what could happen. I said that money could be missing from Afghanistan. That sentence did not say if it was Canadian or US money. I just stated that money COULD be missing. It seems like you are not phased at all when it comes to that amount of money missing. It does not matter to you that money is being lost. And you don't care where that money could end up. Funding your very own demise. So there is a what if you can take home to think about. I don't know for 100% where the money went, and I think all funding should stop until they get their books/accountants together to find out where it went.

It's like any company. I will budget 1 million for RnD. When a review is done it is found that 30% of that money is unaccounted for. It could have went to many things. And many of them could be for legitimate reasons. If it is not all accounted for (or at least not 30%, maybe 5% and under is almost acceptable) I would fire my accountants instantly. I am sure the investors in my company would like to know where their money is and what it is being used for. New staff would be hired. So it comes to Iraq and BILLIONS are missing/unnaccounted for. If I did not deal with that situation, I'd be an ignorant fool.

Another reality is that Iran COULD launch a nuke. Does not make it so. But many of you think that is the case. Also if you recall the so called 'slam dunk' evidence that lead up to the Iraq invasion liberation. No yellow cake, no nukes...... The leaders of the US and Canada always tell us the what if's. What if a suicide bomber hit a mall in a US or Canadian city.

The government peddles fear on all of you. Only I don't buy into it. For they always worry about what ifs, what could be, and what should happen.

Now I see what some of you posters are really like. No deliberate thought process at all. Knee-jerk reactionists. Read, think, get insight, then post. If you cannot get past 'think', then... but this is all a what if I guess.

EDIT le

Alright. So here is Keith Olbermann talking about this very thing. Who would have thought someone else thinks that this is important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHIvGr6ZytU

He mentions the Iran Contra Affair. Recall that there Sharkman? It was proven that the US ... um some bad apples in the US government did some shady dealings with terrorists.

End of the Edit le.

History. Learn it. Love it. Or you will repeat it Sharkman. So pick up a book.

[sharkman]

Gost, now I see your problem. In your left brained outlook, you wrongly assume that a country is run like a corporation. Nothing could be further from the truth, except in certain generalities.

Not only does one need to 'pick up a book', one needs to research the author to be sure they are not reading trash. Many books are nothing more than knee jerk reactions for the left or right crowd. I'm sure you know this...

[Guthrie]

. now I see your problem....

funny how you never see your own

[sharkman]

backatcha...

[GostHacked]

backatcha...

Hay have you forgoten there is a debate going on in this thread here. Anything of real substance to throw in here at all??

RnDs have spies as well. Sometimes corporations spy on each other so steal patents, or sneak at look at some new technology.

So you have the Sunni's in charge and some Shiites in the government. Now it would not be hard to have some unaccounted money to go missing, and for it to be funneled to insurgents from people in the Iraqi government. Seems totaly plausable and probably is true. It makes sense to me.

At least this is more plausable than the WMD, Nigerial yellowcake, stockpiles of chemical weapons, the US made up in first place. Who can you trust for the truth? Who is going to be held accountable. If you are hiring someone for a job and it turns out you are possibly indirectly funding your own demise, would you not want to investigate that? That there is a 'what if' I'd want to know about.

[GostHacked]

Here is another example of all of this.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/03/...i.ap/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said he will reshuffle his Cabinet within two weeks and pursue criminal charges against political figures linked to extremists.

So in my theory, now let me be clear on this that it is a THEORY. So a cabinet shuffle is needed. Criminal charges are being pursued. So if you take the links from before about missing money in Iraq and missing money of programs that concern Iraq, you can put two and two together, and at least it won't come to 3.

So it is more plausible that US funds indirectly funded the insurgents. Weather they wanted it to happen or not, they should have seen this comming, It has been happening from the start of this war with money missing/unaccounted for.

Would you like a closer look at the books? What there is of them, that is.