The Tyranny of the Left Wing

[JerrySeinfeld]

it still took 350,000 American troops (and not counting other Allies here) to rebuild the country and reshape it's institutions.

Oh - so you mean it took WORK and INTERNATINOAL LONG TERM COMMITTMENT???

OH MY FREAKIN' GOD - CALL IN THE HOLLYWOOD STARS!!! THIS THING MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE EFFORT!!!

[guyser]

OH MY FREAKIN' GOD - CALL IN THE HOLLYWOOD STARS!!! THIS THING MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE EFFORT!!!

Yes lefty are a peculiar bunch . Maybe a lot of labels stick because they are partially true.

BUt what is funny is the right wing groups who constantly harp about the Hollywood elite, or stars as if they are someone the left looks up to. Same goes for the media, the right is always harping on about the bias of the MSM.

So a bunch of hollywood stars are asked questions about policy, issues what have you. So what, none of the left sits down and says , "oh Brad Pitt says global warming is bad".

So go ahead and try and insult using the "hollywood stars" metaphor. We too will be laughing......just not the same joke as you are laughing at.

[BubberMiley]

THIS THING MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE EFFORT!!!

Effort would require chickenhawks like you to get up from your computer and enlist. But you're obviously afraid of acting rather than just talking. (oh right, weren't you the one who said you were courageous for staying home and being pro-war on your computer?)

[Black Dog]

It's not at odds at all - unless you're from the dreamworld lefty PC ideology of winning a war without hurting anyone but the 3 people in power.

Sometimes ya gotta tear down a pieces of shit house before you build a nice one.

This is why arguments from analogy tend to be sophmoric. You're not talking aboiut tearing down a house. You're talking about killing thousands, maybe millions of people. If you can't see how that might harm your long-term goal, well, there's no way to help you.

Oh - so you mean it took WORK and INTERNATINOAL LONG TERM COMMITTMENT???

OH MY FREAKIN' GOD - CALL IN THE HOLLYWOOD STARS!!! THIS THING MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE EFFORT!!!

It took an enormous sacrifice, one that we're not seeing today. Nor are we hearing calls for such sacrifice from people like you. So, if you were serious about the impiortance of this mission to the long-term future of the west, you'd be calling for a draft to bring the military up to the strength necessary to conduct a large-scale long-term occupation, you'd be calling for massive aid and reconstruction packages and a full accounting of how they are used, you'd be calling for mor ebridge-building among allies. But you're not. You wanna drop a few bombs and expect democracy to grow from the smoking craters. If anybody here is labouring under false (and reduced) expectations, it's you.

[GostHacked]

Iran has never attacked anyone in its entire existance. They are also not like all the other countries in the regions which are Arabic. Iranians are Persians.

Iran has one thing in common with all the other rogue nations: It doesn't have a privately owned central bank.

Iran attacked sovereign US soil in it's attack on the US embassy in 1979 and took hostages. Ahmedinejad was one of the people ivolved.

Do you need a history lesson or something?? It was called a revolution in Iran.

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/hostages.phtml

Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran, began his reign in 1941, succeeding his father, Reza Khan, to the throne. In a 1953 power struggle with his prime minister, the Shah gained American support to prevent nationalization of Iran's oil industry. In return for assuring the U.S. a steady supply of oil, the Shah received economic and military aid from eight American presidents.

Iran wanted to nationalize their oil. The Shah was a USA supporter and helped prevent that. Pissed the general public off, because many Iranians would have benefited from the money in terms of a better way of life for all across the board.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/3910627.stm

The (edit for context: militant) students have demanded that the Shah of Iran, who fled the country in January, be extradited from the US, where he is currently receiving medical treatment for cancer, to stand trial in Iran.

Furthurmore.

It is reported that revolutionary guards and police did nothing to stop the take-over and Iranian television has indicated its support for the action by broadcasting live pictures of the siege.

IN other words. Iranians on a massive and supportive scale told the US to GTFO. You can probably say they were religious fanatics, yeah every country seems to have them in all forms. Religion, I think played a small part in the overall saying to the US to get out of Iran.

And remeber it is an Embassy in Iran. If Iran wants to revoke your right to have an embassy in Iran, then not much you can do. Do Embassies in foreign countrys fall into the classification of 'American Interests' ? Set up shop and then claim to protect it and claim you are right when no one really wants you around anyways?

He declared an Islamic Republic of Iran in April and since then he has presided over a brutal and repressive regime.

OK sure, I guess the new boss is as the same as the old boss.

[Guthrie]

Iran has never attacked anyone in its entire existance. They are also not like all the other countries in the regions which are Arabic. Iranians are Persians.

Iran has one thing in common with all the other rogue nations: It doesn't have a privately owned central bank.

Iran attacked sovereign US soil in it's attack on the US embassy in 1979 and took hostages. Ahmedinejad was one of the people ivolved.

It was not Iran who attacked the US embassy. It was one of the warring factions inside Iran who attacked the US embassy. Later, it was a deal worked out with GHWB to keep those hostages until after Reagan won the election and took office.

So, Iran DID engage in criminal activities and an effort to subvert the US govt. They just did so by making a deal with the Reaganite fascists.

[GostHacked]

it still took 350,000 American troops (and not counting other Allies here) to rebuild the country and reshape it's institutions.

Oh - so you mean it took WORK and INTERNATINOAL LONG TERM COMMITTMENT???

OH MY FREAKIN' GOD - CALL IN THE HOLLYWOOD STARS!!! THIS THING MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE EFFORT!!!

Japan was easy to subdue after two atomic bombs. Japan surrendered officially, and agreed to whatever terms in order to keep on existing in one form or another. Simply put, Japan LOST. It ended. There was no reason to need more than 350,000 troops.

in contrast...

Iraq never officially surrendered. No one agreed to any terms or conditions for a surrender to start the rebuilding. Another US backed Middle East puppet government was put in place. The US only went into Iraq with about 350,000. Far less than what was needed to 'mission accomplish'd', let alone actually keeping and maintaining security in the country.

And now you get less and less International Support for this debacle that is the War on Terror.

[Guthrie]

...Iraq never officially surrendered...

No, officially it was put on trial, convicted and what part of it is not currently in jail, has been put to death.

[PolyNewbie]

Jerry Seinfeld: in reality nowadays it appears it is truly right wing thinkers who provide new, alternative viewpoints and challenge convenational thinking.

There is nothing new about what the conservatives are doing, they are just speeding up the agenda to the point where people notice. They have been doing the same things - reducing standard of living, getting us to work longer hours, using us to fight their wars and this all taking place in the context of imperial hedgemony and population control and the maintaining of power positions.

A lot of people think we lost against globalization after the last protests.

There is nothing good about globalization. It just concentrates power and makes power less responsible.

[BubberMiley]

THE RIGHT WING AMERICAN VIEWPOINT CONTROLS THE PUBLIC OPINION IN THIS WORLD???

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm not sure of your point.

[PolyNewbie]

Most people now see through the left right paradigm and no longer buy into it. Some of us see we are being lied to on every front. Some of us love servitude.

But, by science and only science, 911 was an inside job. Its a fact that many people can't handle. The scientific arguements that counter this are purely idiotic.

The existing system operates on two principles: fear and increduluity.

[Moonlight Graham]

Jerry, your mind is so clouded with spite & hate towards lefties that it takes away all reason & logic from your brain. Thats a shame, because you seem like a fairly intelligent fellow.

Stop putting lefties into these stereotypes. Its a shame for people like you who would shoot down even good ideas just because they are coming from a person you consider a "lefty". Your brain is poisoned & i don't think there's a cure.

[PolyNewbie]

Your brain is poisoned & i don't think there's a cure.

Yes. Jerry Seinfeld and many others buy into this hate that is being perpetuated for nothing other than financial gain.

No one wins these wars except bankers and weapons makers.

[daniel]

Seems to me that somebody wants a one party state. And that party isn't Liberal or NDP.

[PolyNewbie]

Its a heck of a title, few people understand what those protests were about. Fewer people still realize that those "hodlums" smashed small store front windows, etc but left the big banks alone. They were cops out to ruin the reputation of the protesters.

In a few years everyone will understand why those protesters were there. I didn't understand it at the time and was a little sick of the "I know something you don't attitude" from many of these people. IMO it ruined the movement. I would have tried to be there had I understood the problem.