Bush's Canadian 'Clone' in Jeopardy

[stignasty]

You might want to edit this mess if you want people to read it.

[tml12]

Harper is no extremist and your posts are a bit ridiculous.

[stignasty]

Why would we re-elect a party that basically runs an elected dictatorship? . . . . I hope Harper gets a big majority in the next election.

Such is the nature of the Parliamentary system. The Mulroney PC party did the exact same thing. If Harper gets a big majority what makes you think he'll act differently?

[Catchme]

Why would we re-elect a party that basically runs an elected dictatorship?... I hope Harper gets a big majority in the next election.

Bingo.

Excuse me, how is Harper performing any differnt everything comes out of the PMO?

Though I do think he is trying to change the optics on that so people forget he is vetting and doing everything, as yesterday when they donated 2 million to Stanley Park on behalf of Canadians, though the cheque was signed "Canada's NEW Government" he did not show up.

Though he is today in Victoria when he dumps more money BC's way, it actually looks like he is Paul Martin, prior to last years election dumping money all over BC.

[tml12]

Why would we re-elect a party that basically runs an elected dictatorship? . . . . I hope Harper gets a big majority in the next election.

Such is the nature of the Parliamentary system. The Mulroney PC party did the exact same thing. If Harper gets a big majority what makes you think he'll act differently?

Harper has taken steps advocating Senate reform, supports Parliamentary vetting of Supreme Court justices, and is generally more provincial friendly. Indeed, in a majority government he will support more free votes.

Harper wants to fix the system because I believe he is a humane man, unlike the Liberals.

[tml12]

Why would we re-elect a party that basically runs an elected dictatorship?... I hope Harper gets a big majority in the next election.

Bingo.

Excuse me, how is Harper performing any differnt everything comes out of the PMO?

Though I do think he is trying to change the optics on that so people forget he is vetting and doing everything, as yesterday when they donated 2 million to Stanley Park on behalf of Canadians, though the cheque was signed "Canada's NEW Government" he did not show up.

Though he is today in Victoria when he dumps more money BC's way, it actually looks like he is Paul Martin, prior to last years election dumping money all over BC.

PMs always dump moneys before elections. In Canada, the way you win is to spend like a drunken sailor on failed social programs.

No way Harper majority is this liberal with my tax dollars.

[JerrySeinfeld]

A recent statistical dead heat would be more worrisom for the Libs, I would think, who SHOULD be celebrating a big surge during the Honeymoon phase with Dion. Unfortunately for the Libs, if this is the Honeymoon, I'd hate to see the hangover....

[August1991]

As long as the Left is in "scary, scary" Harper mode, I have nothing to fear. It didn't work in the last election and it won't work now. They are playing the man, not the ball, and Harper just isn't scary.

In fact, we have a statistical dead heat (as the article below notes) with an advantage to the Conservatives because the NDP/Libs/Greens will split the English vote. In Quebec, the Tories will hold their seats, the BQ theirs and the Libs theirs.

The survey by Decima Research, provided Thursday to The Canadian Press, puts the Conservatives and Liberals in a statistical dead heat in national support among decided and leaning voters.

But when Alberta respondents — where Tory support is running four times that of the Liberals — are taken out of the poll, the Liberals are seven percentage points ahead of the Conservatives in the rest of the country.

CP

I'm amazed however how CP is so cavalier about Albertan voters. It's as if they don't count. CP also implies that the Tories are somehow an Albertan party.

In any case, there won't be an election any time soon so this is all academic. The US spin of the OP is just weird.

A recent statistical dead heat would be more worrisom for the Libs, I would think, who SHOULD be celebrating a big surge during the Honeymoon phase with Dion. Unfortunately for the Libs, if this is the Honeymoon, I'd hate to see the hangover....

Good point.

[blueblood]

As long as the Left is in "scary, scary" Harper mode, I have nothing to fear. It didn't work in the last election and it won't work now. They are playing the man, not the ball, and Harper just isn't scary.

In fact, we have a statistical dead heat (as the article below notes) with an advantage to the Conservatives because the NDP/Libs/Greens will split the English vote. In Quebec, the Tories will hold their seats, the BQ theirs and the Libs theirs.

The survey by Decima Research, provided Thursday to The Canadian Press, puts the Conservatives and Liberals in a statistical dead heat in national support among decided and leaning voters.

But when Alberta respondents — where Tory support is running four times that of the Liberals — are taken out of the poll, the Liberals are seven percentage points ahead of the Conservatives in the rest of the country.

CP

I'm amazed however how CP is so cavalier about Albertan voters. It's as if they don't count. CP also implies that the Tories are somehow an Albertan party.

In any case, there won't be an election any time soon so this is all academic. The US spin of the OP is just weird.

A recent statistical dead heat would be more worrisom for the Libs, I would think, who SHOULD be celebrating a big surge during the Honeymoon phase with Dion. Unfortunately for the Libs, if this is the Honeymoon, I'd hate to see the hangover....

Good point.

If the tories put out a "good" environment plan, they might get the surge into majority land.

[Canadian Blue]

Conspiracy theories what conspiracy theories are there besides none? Harper had American handlers and advisors just as he said Harper did.

http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/services/p...cal/clients.htm

http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/services/p...cal/clients.htm

What is left about the title Consortium News Independent Investigative Journalism Since 1995?

No I'm simply pointing out how radical that page is, and why it's not a credible source.

BTW, One cannot compare BBC and CBC to CNN or CTV or Global.

No, I'm comparing credible news sources to you're BS ones which aren't credible.

I never said a word about Venuzuela that was a quote of someone else's words. I clearly stated that at the begining, it seems you cannot read.

I can't read, but I am able to type up posts and respond to you're BS. Why would you post an article if you disagreed with the content's, and from the post it seem's you agree with what was said.

Again, having never lied about being in the military, but I have nothing to prove to you in that regard, and I am suspecting you are lying about being in the military by the same token.

Oddly enough other members of the military on here seem to think different, especially since you think all the CF does is peacekeeping.

There is no middle ground on rights, you either fully have them or you do not have them. I believe the democrats in the USA are close to the equivalent of the moderate right, in Canada.

So the democrat's are basically the equivalent to the Harper Conservatives, we finally agree on something.

However, in the spirit of fairness but not so as not to out myself completely, I will put my cap badge wording up.

Espirit D'Initiative

So you were a weekend warrior with the Saskatchewan Dragoon's. Wow I know that some [meaning a few] reservists aren't really all that dedicated but you take the cake. Not many people would have the ball's to call member's of the military Hitler apologists.

Harper is not to the extreme right as far as fascism I agree, but he is much further right than are the majority of Canadians, and who knows how far right he would go with a majority.

Yeah, the only way to stop it is through a campaign of fear that will tear this country apart.

No thanks on looking up extreme right I get enough of that from reading Freedominion the home of Harper's base. As for the extreme left in the USA, I did not know they had a left in the USA.

That's pretty stupid, it's like saying that by reading Rabble you can get an idea of what every New Democrat is like. Especially since most people on rabble are radical socialists. When in reality we know most New Democrats are somewhat rational, with the exception of a few .

As long as the Left is in "scary, scary" Harper mode, I have nothing to fear. It didn't work in the last election and it won't work now. They are playing the man, not the ball, and Harper just isn't scary.

But what if Harper get's his way and up's the presence of military in our city, soldiers armed with gun's! I mean who in the hell would want soldier's to be armed with gun's, this Harper guy has to be scary. Even though the reason behind it is for emergency preparadness, we still have to be afraid.

Such is the thinking of simple minded fool's.

[scribblet]

People who call Harper 'extreme right' should be laughed off this forum for their nonsense.

Indeed, only the far left from Rabble would think Harper is 'far right'. Maybe those who do could quote the 'far right' policies so far, and any that might be in their policy paper.

[Catchme]

Canadian Blue does not respond to proof:

No I'm simply pointing out how radical that page is, and why it's not a credible source.

No, I'm comparing credible news sources to you're BS ones which aren't credible.

So you were a weekend warrior with the Saskatchewan Dragoon's. Wow I know that some [meaning a few] reservists aren't really all that dedicated but you take the cake. Not many people would have the ball's to call member's of the military Hitler apologists.

But what if Harper get's his way and up's the presence of military in our city, soldiers armed with gun's! I mean who in the hell would want soldier's to be armed with gun's, this Harper guy has to be scary. Even though the reason behind it is for emergency preparadness, we still have to be afraid.

It is not radical at all, in fact I notice that you completely did not address the proof given as to Harper's American handlers.

Oh, yes, I will also make mention of how disparaging you regular forces are of reservists, especially seeing as how the Dragoons have a distinguished history and Battle Honours flags. Nor was I just a "week end warrior", where do you think the Canadian military gets it's needed extra military personal for military and peace keeping operations? Just as the American military does. Reservists have plenty of powder blue berets and plenty of postings around the world under their belts.

Never called the Canadian military apologists of Hitler.

Again you are proven disengenuous and a liar. Such is the thinking of simple minded fools.

[Catchme]

Oh, yes forgot to say regarding comments about rabble, I also belong to Freedominion and post there as well, and have for a long while and most assuredly you will someday get links from me to there, I guesss I will then be labelled a right wing radical too. Unfortunately, there just are not as many accurate posts there with broad based discussions as there is sometimes at babble.

I guess those who are disparging babble have been banned.

Personally, I happen to believe everything should be discussed and viewed from as many positions as possible and sometimes the contrary opinion to what one believes gets the most rise and then clarification for all can be a result.

[Ricki Bobbi]

I guess those who are disparging babble have been banned.

You guess wrong.

Why make such an ignorant comment? Do you feel better for having done it?

[Saturn]

Personally, I happen to believe everything should be discussed and viewed from as many positions as possible and sometimes the contrary opinion to what one believes gets the most rise and then clarification for all can be a result.

Then you are in the wrong place. There are a few people here who try to provide a balanced analysis of issues but most members are Conservatives who are extremely biased and when they see any information they don't like they just dismiss it and call names.

[scribblet]

Then you are in the wrong place. There are a few people here who try to provide a balanced analysis of issues but most members are Conservatives who are extremely biased and when they see any information they don't like they just dismiss it and call names.

I could say the same about liberals. However, I don't believe most members are conservative, in fact, lately the majority seem to be liberals or left wing.

[Catchme]

Personally, I happen to believe everything should be discussed and viewed from as many positions as possible and sometimes the contrary opinion to what one believes gets the most rise and then clarification for all can be a result.

Then you are in the wrong place. There are a few people here who try to provide a balanced analysis of issues but most members are Conservatives who are extremely biased and when they see any information they don't like they just dismiss it and call names.

Oh, I caught that right off the bat, and the dismissing comes by way of false attacks, putting words in peoples mouths, out right lies, misinformation, and name calling.

Maybe the site will become better known and the bias to the right will level out more. Unless of course it is here for the purpose of right wing propaganda?

[scribblet]

Unlike rabble, which is left wing and funded by supporters, MLW is not here for the purpose of 'right wing propaganda '. You might want to check out the home page, it is one of the better run sites around and does not allow personal attacks. I find your statements : 'false attacks, putting words in peoples mouths, out right lies, misinformation, and name calling.' as spurious at best.

[Canadian Blue]

It is not radical at all, in fact I notice that you completely did not address the proof given as to Harper's American handlers.

The two links given didn't work, post them again.

Nor was I just a "week end warrior", where do you think the Canadian military gets it's needed extra military personal for military and peace keeping operations? Just as the American military does. Reservists have plenty of powder blue berets and plenty of postings around the world under their belts.

No I was disparaging those few reservists who don't really feel any duty and are only in it for the money. Even member's of the reserves have made concern's about it, feel free to look it up on army.ca.

The fact you said members of the military are apologists for Hitler obviously shows you're feeling's towards the men and women serving in the CF.

Never called the Canadian military apologists of Hitler.

Except for...

Mien Kampf, not Kumf. Nice being apologists for Hitler's military now eh?! As for saying I am putting them all into 1 basket, most certainly. That you excuse them blows my mind.

If the services members were so concerned about not being perceived as being motivated by Hitler, they would have insisted the quote not be put there, one would think.

Moreover, I am not going to be all sentimental about the professed honourableness of the Canadian military, I have been there and know differently

Then their is this comment:

Oh, I caught that right off the bat, and the dismissing comes by way of false attacks, putting words in peoples mouths, out right lies, misinformation, and name calling.

No, it's the fact you get offended in nearly every thread you get into, so you are a drama queen. As for lies and misinformation, you have dug you're own hole. Deal with it.

Maybe the site will become better known and the bias to the right will level out more. Unless of course it is here for the purpose of right wing propaganda?

What are you talking about, this website is about politics in general, and I haven't seen any political bias from the forum admin.

[Canadian Blue]

By the way with regards to people who say that all of "Bush's Lackeys" have gone down in defeat, I'd disagree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel

Merkel advocated a strong transatlantic partnership and German-American friendship. In the spring of 2003, defying strong public opposition, Merkel came out in favour of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, describing it as "unavoidable" and accusing Chancellor Gerhard Schröder of anti-Americanism. This led some critics to characterize her as an American lackey. She criticised the government's support for Turkish Membership in the European Union and favoured a "privileged partnership" instead. In doing so, she was seen as being in unison with an overwhelming majority of Germans in rejecting Turkish membership in the European Union, particularly due to fears that large waves of immigration may impose an unbearable burden on Germany and that there would be too much Islamist influence within the EU.

[Catchme]

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And this from the other link:

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http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/archives/0103cong.htm

Do not know why they were not working from here work fine from my fav's list. Strange indeed.

[Catchme]

Well, these ones above are working for the moment at least checked them as soon as my post came up.

[tml12]

Well, these ones above are working for the moment at least checked them as soon as my post came up.

Catchme, what are you trying to prove? That there are ideological similarities between the Republicans and the Conservatives and that they help each other out?

Brilliant! Considering they are both right-of-centre parties I never would have guessed...

[Canadian Blue]

Well, these ones above are working for the moment at least checked them as soon as my post came up.

Yes it is working.

However the list also has the former Progressive Conservatives, as well as Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger who is a liberal Republican. This list doesn't prove much, as the Liberal party has often used strategists, and has been known to use "spin doctors" to help benefit their campaign.

Remember the 2000 election, the Liberal's were basically using American style attack advertising, and it worked.

[Catchme]

How conveinent that you forgot the discussion is about Harper being a Bush clone, and how he had US Republican advisors that you denied he had. All this has been giving you more evidence that indeed he has for a good long time.