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Higgly

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Should members who do not not see Canada as their first loyalty be allowed to participate?  

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jefferiah Veteran

jefferiah

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but I will side with Israel before Canada

Well if you are worried about Rue, a mere forum poster, being detrimental to a forum how much more concern should you have over the current Governor General, who sat next to a founder of the FLQ in a pub in 1990 and toasted Quebec independence, and whose film maker husband said only a year ago that he and his wife are "Canadians, but Quebeckers first".

"Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it."

Lao Tzu

jefferiah Veteran

jefferiah

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OK. Write a letter to the GG.

I am saying look Higgly. This is a forum. Rue does not have Right Honorable Status here or anything. So what difference does it make if she supports Israel. Its a little discussion forum. Its not a high powered career. I think more than anything using the forum to make this sort of a post is grounds for having your membership terminated.

"Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it."

Lao Tzu

Slavik44 Mentor

Slavik44

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As much as I whole heartedly disagree with Rue's position...this forum would be kinda pointless if it was composed of people who all thought the same. As long as Rue isn't going around and continually insulting people who support Canada first and foremost, I see very little problem. I believe there are even some posters here from America(?), obviously Canada would not be the country they support first and foremost either.

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betsy Grand Master

betsy

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Why shouldn't he/she be permitted to stay?

Besides, the only reason you knew about Rue's position is because of Rue's honesty. And I'd assume it was said while you were in the midst of some heated debate.

To play along with your question, how will you go about knowing who among us all here is not loyal to some other countries first before Canada? Are we going to fill out questionaires?

Personally, I think threads like this that single out members for group "trial" or initiating possible lynching and bashing, cast a negative shadow on our forum. It shouldn't be allowed.

Leafless Grand Master

Leafless

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but I will side with Israel before Canada

Higgly, why don't you quote the whole paragraph which is:

"However I think you have the right to criticize me as a Jew, or someone else as a Muslim or what-ever, if we allow such values to compromise the general well being, safety and sovereignty of Canada. if I say to you I am a Jewish Canadian but I will side with Israel before Canada, then you in my opinion have the right to criticize that and say -you can't have your cake and eat it to. At least that is what I think and I would go so far as to say I think most Jews and Muslims and new Canadians would agree."

Seems to me this is a fatal flaw concerning Canada's 'Official Multicultural Policy' as it gives equality rights to all Canadians despite loyalties and dedication to Canada.

Canada should remove 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms' from the constitution at the next federal election and have all Canadians (if they wish to receive federal benefits of any kind) swear allegiance to the country of Canada in the form of a signature accompanied by their S.I.N. number.

This statement all Canadians agree to, could also include a clause (especially pertaining to new Canadians)indicating that they are willing to assimilate to aspects Canada considers important for the country to function pertaining to all citizen's of Canada.

betsy Grand Master

betsy

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but I will side with Israel before Canada
Higgly, why don't you quote the whole paragraph which is:

"However I think you have the right to criticize me as a Jew, or someone else as a Muslim or what-ever, if we allow such values to compromise the general well being, safety and sovereignty of Canada. if I say to you I am a Jewish Canadian but I will side with Israel before Canada, then you in my opinion have the right to criticize that and say -you can't have your cake and eat it to. At least that is what I think and I would go so far as to say I think most Jews and Muslims and new Canadians would agree."

Higgly, if what Leafless had quoted is entirely from the statement of Rue...then this thread says a lot about you.

If this is the statement you're referring to...then it means not only have you deliberately lied to us all, but you've also maliciously tried to get the board to think of Rue in an ugly way...and tried to manipulate us into helping you to boot him out of here.

theloniusfleabag Grand Master

theloniusfleabag

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I have reported this thread to the moderator. Though I shouldn't deign to reply, the only response from the other posters in this thread should also have been...

reported
. Oddly, Leafless believes the context of the quote, rather than exonerating Rue through explaining the comment, instead finds it equally damning.

Leafless,

This statement all Canadians agree to, could also include a clause (especially pertaining to new Canadians)indicating that they are willing to assimilate to aspects Canada considers important for the country to function pertaining to all citizen's of Canada.
Where are the 'coloured people' going to go to 'assimilate' to your vision of aspects you consider imortant to Canada...to a body shop? (I actually am paraphrasing an old Mad Magazine comic I saw some 20-25 years ago...about 'white' being the only acceptable colour of attire on a tennis court...)

Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?

MightyAC Rising Star

MightyAC

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I believe some Americans post here. I imagine they would side with 'merica over Canada.

Higgly, this thread has shown you to be deceitful. If you want to improve the quality of this forum try cleaning up your own act.

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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but I will side with Israel before Canada

A Soviet-style vote?

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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OK. Write a letter to the GG.

Well, the person you presumably want as PM is a French citizen. Is Rue a citizen of Israel?

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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I believe some Americans post here. I imagine they would side with 'merica over Canada.

I love Canada but would always side with my country over any other country.

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

Renegade Grand Master

Renegade

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Higgly, I think the question you should be asking yourself is if you will be allowed to stay after pulling a stunt like this!

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson

Remiel Grand Master

Remiel

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As a suggested in the clone thread, there is a small possibility that the whole intention of this was in fact a poke at people suggesting Arar and other citizen immigrants should be deported to whatever other country they have citizenship in because they ostensibly have divided loyalties. Examining the entire quote, it seems Rue may have been positing a hypothetical, not a fact, and so far the rest of the conclusions on why this thread was started assume certain things which may not be true at all.

That being said, I think this thread was in poor taste in any case. But who am I to say. Not like I haven't started quite a few threads in poor taste, and the same for a few others who have replied to this thread.

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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Higgly, I think the question you should be asking yourself is if you will be allowed to stay after pulling a stunt like this!

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  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

myata Grand Master

myata

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I love Canada but would always side with my country over any other country.

Outside of this topic's context - but even if that other country is right and your country is wrong?

Sonds like a recipe for disaster after disaster.

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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I love Canada but would always side with my country over any other country.

Outside of this topic's context - but even if that other country is right and your country is wrong?

Sonds like a recipe for disaster after disaster.

"Sonds"????

I mean obviously that I am a patriotic American. I would handle my disagreement by opposing the wrong policy domestically, not by attacking my own government.

Granted, I have posted that I thought the US's position on softwoods was wrong, but that's a minor disagreement, not a siding against my country.

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

Renegade Grand Master

Renegade

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jbg, you think I violated house rules with a personal attack on Higgly??

Did I insult him in some way or threaten him? Your a lawyer, so I welcome your insight into my words. Please feel free to report my post if you think so, and I'll accept my punishment from Greg if he feels the same.

In my view this whole thread is nothing but a personal attack on Rue, and thus my statement to Higgly that his actions may in fact get him banned. Not by me of course as I have no power to do so.

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson

Argus Grand Master

Argus

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but I will side with Israel before Canada

I have also reported this poll to the moderator. But I'd just like to express my opinion of your lack of integrity in taking a few words out of context and trying to use them to smear another poster. This is not merely dishonest, btw, it is stupidly dishonest, as stupid as when Jean Chretien claimed to talk to the homeless. What, he never thought anyone would check?

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

B. Max Veteran

B. Max

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I believe some Americans post here. I imagine they would side with 'merica over Canada.

I love Canada but would always side with my country over any other country.

Alberta is fine. Not so sure about the rest of it towards the east.

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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jbg, you think I violated house rules with a personal attack on Higgly??

Did I insult him in some way or threaten him? Your a lawyer, so I welcome your insight into my words. Please feel free to report my post if you think so, and I'll accept my punishment from Greg if he feels the same.

In my view this whole thread is nothing but a personal attack on Rue, and thus my statement to Higgly that his actions may in fact get him banned. Not by me of course as I have no power to do so.

No. I think Higgly did.

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

betsy Grand Master

betsy

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Outside of this topic's context - but even if that other country is right and your country is wrong?

Sonds like a recipe for disaster after disaster.

Still outside topic: who decides which country is right and which country is wrong? You may think his country is wrong...but he may think his country is right, and it is your country which is wrong.

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