Iranian Ambassador Acknowledges Holocaust

[Black Dog]

Could you explain why millions had to die in WW II because of the megalomanical dreams of German and Japanese madmen, including civilians? Can you explain why people eating lunch at Sbarro's Pizza in Jerusalem had to die?

Sorry, but I'd rather have the deaths on the side of those causing the problem, not those trying to solve it.

Remiel is quite correct. The U.S is directly responsible for the sorry state of Iraq. And, since the U.S.'s citizens, as citizens of a democracy, bear more individual responsibility for the actions of their state, (certainly more than the average Iraqi bears responsibility for the actions of violent death squads and militias), then punishing them would be entirely appropriate by your own logic. So: nuclear strikes on Washington D.C. and every red state, anyone?

Oh and as for your moronic assertions that the strikes on Dresden was necessary, sorry, that dog doesn't hunt. You could make an argument that the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was necessary to prevent even greater loss of life, but that particular situation doesn't apply in Iraq, nor does it particularly square with the stated goals of a peaceful, stable middle east.

But, to delve deeper into the darkest reaches of your psyche, it's clear that peace doesn't really matter to you. You just want bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed. You're pissed that you've lost the war and you want to lash out with pointless and indiscriminate violence, not because you actually think it will solve anything (though, in your book, mass slaughter of Arabs seems to be a solution to any problem, from the situation in Iraq to the common cold), but because, really, it makes your tingly in the bathing suit area. But you know you can't run around screaming "NUKE TEH AYRABS!!11!" as people will look at you funny. But add some dodgy historical "analysis" and some chin-stroking, tinge your calls for slaughter with just the faintest hint of regret that things should come to such a point and -hey presto!- your totally fucking bonkers advocacy of wholesale slaughter becomes somewhat fit for public consumption.

[ft.niagara]

Remiel is quite correct. The U.S is directly responsible for the sorry state of Iraq. And, since the U.S.'s citizens, as citizens of a democracy, bear more individual responsibility for the actions of their state, (certainly more than the average Iraqi bears responsibility for the actions of violent death squads and militias), then punishing them would be entirely appropriate by your own logic. So: nuclear strikes on Washington D.C. and every red state, anyone?

Talk about moronic assertions. The US is not directly responsible for the sorry state of Iraq. It is idiotic to claim such. The Iraqi people, at least some of them are the ones responsible for the sorry state of their own sorry country. This area was part of mankinds earliest civilized roots, but they have seemed to have forgotten them.

[ft.niagara]

http://www.cbc.ca/canadaus/gallery/gfx/5.gif

This cartoon exemplifys the Chretien government's anti-American scorched earth campaign which culminated in Canada's refusal to offer even moral support as the U.S., Britain and Australia marched off to confront Saddam. Backbench liberals sniped, Cabinet Minister Herbie Dhaliwal smeared President Bush, the Prime Minister blathered sanctimoniously, and heir apparent Paul Martin remained conspicuously silent.

We turned our back on our best friend and biggest trading partner in a time of need and abandoned our traditional commonwealth allies. Canada will pay an economic price for the course that our government has charted, and rightly so. After all, unlike Saddam, these Liberal clowns calling the shots in Ottawa were duly elected by a majority of Canadians and continue to lead in the polls. It is to weep!

Cartoonist: Jim Bradford

Published: March 20th, 2003 in the Sault Star

This cartoon is dated, but gives the same theme of those who elect, are responsible for those who are elected.

[Remiel]

Then let's make Americans suffer for the crimes of their president. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[ft.niagara]

Then let's make Americans suffer for the crimes of their president. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

What "crimes". More silly moronic talk.

[Remiel]

It is the blindness of people like you that is causing the downfall of what could of been a great country.

[jbg]

Remiel is quite correct. The U.S is directly responsible for the sorry state of Iraq. And, since the U.S.'s citizens, as citizens of a democracy, bear more individual responsibility for the actions of their state, (certainly more than the average Iraqi bears responsibility for the actions of violent death squads and militias), then punishing them would be entirely appropriate by your own logic. So: nuclear strikes on Washington D.C. and every red state, anyone?

Pure, unadulterated BS. Since the breakup of the Ottoman Empire (and probably long before its breakup), there has been little economic activity in that part of the world, other than that initiated by Western oil companies and the Zionists. The local residents have used their land for little more than settling of ancient scores. Any review of the history of both Islam and the pre-Islam inhabitants reveals waves upon waves of sickening and gratuitous violence. Even Europe's Hundred Years War was not aimed primarily at civilians; the Arabs' fighting has always been.

The Christians (with exceptions such as Northern Ireland) have pretty much gotten past this internecine slaughter. The Arabs cannot keep blaming it on the West, Crusaders, Israel, Zionists or the United States.

Oh and as for your moronic assertions that the strikes on Dresden was necessary, sorry, that dog doesn't hunt. You could make an argument that the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was necessary to prevent even greater loss of life, but that particular situation doesn't apply in Iraq, nor does it particularly square with the stated goals of a peaceful, stable middle east.

If a stable, peaceful Middle East cannot be accomplished, at least the West can insulate itself from the nonesense emanating from their, or elminate it.

But, to delve deeper into the darkest reaches of your psyche, it's clear that peace doesn't really matter to you. You just want bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed. You're pissed that you've lost the war and you want to lash out with pointless and indiscriminate violence, not because you actually think it will solve anything (though, in your book, mass slaughter of Arabs seems to be a solution to any problem, from the situation in Iraq to the common cold), but because, really, it makes your tingly in the bathing suit area. But you know you can't run around screaming "NUKE TEH AYRABS!!11!" as people will look at you funny. But add some dodgy historical "analysis" and some chin-stroking, tinge your calls for slaughter with just the faintest hint of regret that things should come to such a point and -hey presto!- your totally fucking bonkers advocacy of wholesale slaughter becomes somewhat fit for public consumption.

I would appreciate not hearing your psychobabble. Having said that, we have not lost the war. The Arabs have, and are lashing out. It must stop.

[Higgly]

Pure, unadulterated BS. Since the breakup of the Ottoman Empire (and probably long before its breakup), there has been little economic activity in that part of the world, other than that initiated by Western oil companies and the Zionists. The local residents have used their land for little more than settling of ancient scores.

Codswallop. Hey JBG, have you built a factory in your back yard? No? Well too bad because I am going to take it away and put in a slaughterhouse that will create jobs and generate a fortune for a couple of rich people. What are you doing with your basement? Unused most of the day? Hey, how about if we put in a grow-op?

What a dumb argument.

[ft.niagara]

It is the blindness of people like you that is causing the downfall of what could of been a great country.

could HAVE been

Your English usage matches the quality of your commentary, undereducated dribble.

[Higgly]

Can this thread please be moved to 'The Rest of the World'? This is an over-used trick to get debate on a thread - put it in a forum with few posts so it stays at the top of the list.

[Remiel]

I wouldn't be one to talk, if I were you. I'm not going to take lessons on the English language from someone who can't use something as simple as quotation marks or capital letters and punctuation.

[jbg]

Can this thread please be moved to 'The Rest of the World'? This is an over-used trick to get debate on a thread - put it in a forum with few posts so it stays at the top of the list.

Iran is an important element in Canada/US relations.

I wouldn't be one to talk, if I were you. I'm not going to take lessons on the English language from someone who can't use something as simple as quotation marks or capital letters and punctuation.

Isn't the language that you're both using Canadian, not English?

[Higgly]

Iran is an important element in Canada/US relations.

O brother.

[Remiel]

I was under the impression that ft.niagara spoke American.

[ft.niagara]

I was under the impression that ft.niagara spoke American.

Higgly, the one who is always right and used to love to use profanity (until punished by the principal), and Remiel, the one who still has to finish school. Read any good political books lately? He could of been a great scholar.

[Higgly]

Higgly, the one who is always right and used to love to use profanity (until punished by the principal), and Remiel, the one who still has to finish school. Read any good political books lately? He could of been a great scholar.

Link please? Where was this punishment? But thanks for letting me know I am always right. I will use that against you many times in the future.

Well, feet niagara, in fact, I've read a number, and I have quoted them liberally here. You, on the other hand...

[ft.niagara]

But thanks for letting me know I am always right. I will use that against you many times in the future.

Well, feet niagara, in fact, I've read a number, and I have quoted them liberally here. You, on the other hand...

You will use my sarcasm against me? And yes, my feet are very well thank you. Perhaps you should go back to school also.

[Proud Canuck]

"The conference, scheduled for Sunday and Monday, was organized by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the systematic killing of some 6 million Jews a "myth" and "exaggerated." Some 67 foreign researchers from 30 countries are scheduled to attend the two-day meeting."

You can replace the words 'foreign researchers' with 'holocaust deniers'.

Wasn't there a Canadian University professor who got raked over the coals for attending this conference? Does anyone know his name?

[Black Dog]

Pure, unadulterated BS. Since the breakup of the Ottoman Empire (and probably long before its breakup), there has been little economic activity in that part of the world, other than that initiated by Western oil companies and the Zionists.

Relevance?

The local residents have used their land for little more than settling of ancient scores. Any review of the history of both Islam and the pre-Islam inhabitants reveals waves upon waves of sickening and gratuitous violence. Even Europe's Hundred Years War was not aimed primarily at civilians; the Arabs' fighting has always been.

Yet White Europe has spawned far more destruction and slaughter than any roving desert brigands could dream of. Go figure.

The Christians (with exceptions such as Northern Ireland) have pretty much gotten past this internecine slaughter.

And it only took a few centuries, countless wars (including two conflicts of global scale wihin the last 100 years) and billions of deaths. Wheee!!!

If a stable, peaceful Middle East cannot be accomplished, at least the West can insulate itself from the nonesense emanating from their, or elminate it.

Yet the "nonsense" poses no real threat to us. Indeed, you say yourself, they are mor einterested in killing each other than anything else: so why do we have to do anything?

I would appreciate not hearing your psychobabble.

Well, I would appreciate not being subjected to amateurish, ahistiorical, racist blatherings, but we can't always get what we want.

Having said that, we have not lost the war. The Arabs have, and are lashing out. It must stop.

Strange: your panicky pants-wetting doesn't exactly ooze with the confidence of a victor. And your "NUKE TEH AYRABS!!1!" stratergery comes off a lot like "lashing out."

[Argus]

Remiel is quite correct. The U.S is directly responsible for the sorry state of Iraq.

Directly? The US isn't bombing markets and oil fields? The US might be indirectly responsible, but the ragheads trying to get their 72 virgins and the men behind them should be held directly responsible.

And let's face it, Iraq was a shithole to begin with, and wasn't likely to get any better. Civil war was inevitable on Sadaam's death. Iraq is an artificial country intended to be held together by foreign colonial troops.

[jbg]

Relevance (to my statement that there has been little economic activity in that part of the world, other than that initiated by Western oil companies and the Zionists?).

The relevance is that at least the West does something with the land they're on that benefits at least some people other than resource owners.

Yet White Europe has spawned far more destruction and slaughter than any roving desert brigands could dream of. Go figure. And it only took a few centuries, countless wars (including two conflicts of global scale wihin the last 100 years) and billions of deaths (for white Christians to stop their bloodbaths). Wheee!!!

Except when Europeans peopled North America, free from religious restrictions, we've had one minor dustup (the War of 1812) and the US Civil War. Other conflicts have been brief and did not spawn many casualties. Europe's inability to get its act together led to one of the great "brain drains" of history.

Yet the "nonsense" (emanating from Mideast Muslims) poses no real threat to us. Indeed, you say yourself, they are mor einterested in killing each other than anything else: so why do we have to do anything?

September 11?

Well, I would appreciate not being subjected to amateurish, ahistiorical, racist blatherings, but we can't always get what we want.

I love being called a racist. I am probably the only white here thta works shoulder to shoulder with racial minorities and women, in other than "token" roles, every day for the past 10 years (and to some extent 20 years). Many lefties talk the talk real well. How much do they really know, for example, about violence in Jamaica (or any other third-world country) beyond what they read in the papers or see on TV? One of our partners is someone who left that part of the world to make a better life for themselves. Work with minorities before calling me a racist, please.

Strange: your panicky pants-wetting doesn't exactly ooze with the confidence of a victor. And your "NUKE TEH AYRABS!!1!" stratergery comes off a lot like "lashing out."

Panic. No. The West is going to win, because otherwise the world plunges back into the Dark Ages.

[Black Dog]

The relevance is that at least the West does something with the land they're on that benefits at least some people other than resource owners.

Invariably after slaughtering the people who were there first. Let's not forget that Islamic civilization was the pinnacle of human acheivment until a bunch of white barbarians wielding superior weaponry and came and knocked them off.

Except when Europeans peopled North America, free from oreligious restrictions, we've had one minor dustup (the War of 1812) and the US Civil War.

Er...the Revolutionary War, the Spanish-American war, the Indian Wars, the U.S.-Mexican wars...yep. Real peaceful.

Other conflicts have been brief and did not spawn many casualties.

In contrast to what?

Europe's inability to get its act together led to one of the great "brain drains" of history.

So, they did not, in fact, learn to live with each other until very recently. And even then...

September 11?

A pinprick. And a lucky one at that.

I love being called a racist. I am probably the only white here thta works shoulder to shoulder with racial minorities and women, in other than "token" roles, every day for the past 10 years (and to some extent 20 years). Many lefties talk the talk real well. How much do they really know, for example, about violence in Jamaica (or any other third-world country) beyond what they read in the papers or see on TV? One of our partners is someone who left that part of the world to make a better life for themselves. Work with minorities before calling me a racist, please.

Shorter jbg: "Some of my best friends are black!"

Panic. No. The West is going to win, because otherwise the world plunges back into the Dark Ages.

If the only way the west wins is by committing wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter, then we've lost. And really, if you were confident of our prospects and the durability of our way of life, you wouldn't be counselling for said slaughter.

[Black Dog]

Directly? The US isn't bombing markets and oil fields? The US might be indirectly responsible, but the ragheads trying to get their 72 virgins and the men behind them should be held directly responsible.

Semantics. They got the ball rolling.

And let's face it, Iraq was a shithole to begin with, and wasn't likely to get any better. Civil war was inevitable on Sadaam's death. Iraq is an artificial country intended to be held together by foreign colonial troops.

So what happens when the foreign troops aren't up to the task? If civil war was inevitable, why put them in the way?

What's the solution?

[Higgly]

I love being called a racist. I am probably the only white here thta works shoulder to shoulder with racial minorities and women, in other than "token" roles

No, you're probably the only one who thinks he is special for doing so. Do you regularly announce your bigot views in the coffee room? I doubt it. You'd be finished.

[jbg]

Invariably after slaughtering the people who were there first. Let's not forget that Islamic civilization was the pinnacle of human acheivment until a bunch of white barbarians wielding superior weaponry and came and knocked them off.

Er...the Revolutionary War, the Spanish-American war, the Indian Wars, the U.S.-Mexican wars...yep. Real peaceful.

So, they did not, in fact, learn to live with each other until very recently. And even then...

I meant after US independence. Our wars have nothing on the multiple European and Muslim wars. As far as the Crusades wrecking Islamic brilliance, that isn't quite what happened. At best, it could be said that moderate Islam, being closest to the European "front" was more moderate and the Crusades left more predescessors to militant Islam standing.

September 11?

A pinprick. And a lucky one at that.

Lucky? You're saying it's lucky that 3000 perfectly innocent Americans were slaughtered? That's sick.

I love being called a racist. I am probably the only white here that works shoulder to shoulder with racial minorities and women, in other than "token" roles, every day for the past 10 years (and to some extent 20 years). Many lefties talk the talk real well. How much do they really know, for example, about violence in Jamaica (or any other third-world country) beyond what they read in the papers or see on TV? One of our partners is someone who left that part of the world to make a better life for themselves. Work with minorities before calling me a racist, please.

Shorter jbg: "Some of my best friends are black!"

Not quite. My point is that I've worked for 20 years in a row, shoulder to shoulder with minorties. Some projects they take the lead, some I do. It is a genuinely equal relationship. I can say with pride that my firm is one of the few that walks the walk, not only talks the talk.

If the only way the west wins is by committing wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter, then we've lost. And really, if you were confident of our prospects and the durability of our way of life, you wouldn't be counselling for said slaughter.

I don't want that to be the outcome. But if it's genuinely us or them, I choose us.