Iranian Ambassador Acknowledges Holocaust

[ft.niagara]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235279,00.html

"NEW YORK — The Iranian ambassador to the United Nations sparked a furor Wednesday night when he said at a speech in New York that Palestinians are suffering today because of "atrocities" that happened in World War II, specifically against the Jews."

WWII has had a long tail, and will continue to have a long tail though history. While it is true that Zionism started before 1900, its power gained momentum as a result of WWII. The situation of the Palestinian people can reasonably be said to be effected by the same dynamics as effected Zionism.

At least the Iranian Ambassador acknowledged the Holocaus which is more than the Iranian President has done.

[Higgly]

Another milestone in Canada/US relations.

[jbg]

WWII has had a long tail, and will continue to have a long tail though history. While it is true that Zionism started before 1900, its power gained momentum as a result of WWII. The situation of the Palestinian people can reasonably be said to be effected by the same dynamics as effected Zionism.

An event such as WW II can hardly leave anyone unaffected. Particularly the Muslm world, which picked the wrong side.

At least the Iranian Ambassador acknowledged the Holocaus which is more than the Iranian President has done.

How compassionate!!!

[ft.niagara]

Another milestone in Canada/US relations.

Unfortunately, there is nothing much to say about them.

[ft.niagara]

WWII has had a long tail, and will continue to have a long tail though history. While it is true that Zionism started before 1900, its power gained momentum as a result of WWII. The situation of the Palestinian people can reasonably be said to be effected by the same dynamics as effected Zionism.

An event such as WW II can hardly leave anyone unaffected. Particularly the Muslm world, which picked the wrong side.

At least the Iranian Ambassador acknowledged the Holocaus which is more than the Iranian President has done.

How compassionate!!!

The Arabs picked the wrong side in both World Wars. Turkey lost its empire after WWI, but other than that the Arabs really have not suffered much from either loss, except the Palestinians, at least in the opinion of most Arabs. And that Iranian President is hell bent on distroying Israel, and then the US. Hell, he will probably distroy Canada while he is at it.

[Remiel]

How dumb do you have to be to think Iran has the military capability to completely destroy North America?

[ft.niagara]

How dumb do you have to be to think Iran has the military capability to completely destroy North America?

How dumb you are to think I actually thought it did.

[Remiel]

Well pardon me if I thought you were keeping to you usual low standard of intellectual deficient postings.

[ft.niagara]

Well pardon me.

You are excused, but on second thought, Canada should be concerned about Iran. It might be just road kill when Iran comes for the US.

PS, didn't you mean 'your...intellectually' instead of 'you intellectual deficient postings'? I know, a typo. Ah, go ahead and edit it. I think you should read a few more political books.

[ft.niagara]

Apparently, Iran is going to hold a conference concerning the Holocaust. Something about it being false. It sounds pretty scientific, they have researchers from 30 countries who are going to speak.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235686,00.html

"The conference, scheduled for Sunday and Monday, was organized by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the systematic killing of some 6 million Jews a "myth" and "exaggerated." Some 67 foreign researchers from 30 countries are scheduled to attend the two-day meeting."

[jbg]

How dumb do you have to be to think Iran has the military capability to completely destroy North America?

How dumb you are to think I actually thought it did.

Well pardon me if I thought you were keeping to you usual low standard of intellectual deficient postings.

Despite the low level of this discussion, I'll add my $0.02. The problem is not that Iran could destroy us. The problem is that the aggressor picks the venue and timing of an attack, thus casting a decided pall on the West's overall internal freedoms as well as external freedom of action.

September 11 was bad enough. It would be worse if the threat were nuclear. How come the lefties are more worried about a nuclear power plant than about the Iranian nuke threat?

[Remiel]

Without trying to be sarcastic, perhaps because the " lefties " don't believe that neutralizing a -potential- threat is going to help save us from our own stupidity. For all the talk about nuclear weapons, the fact remains that only one country has every actually used them, the U.S., so to suggest that any other country is actually going to use one at some time in the future is purely speculation, no matter how we paint them with the partisan brush.

[ft.niagara]

There are alot of speculations which do not come true. However, the most likely country to be the target of a WMD is the United States, not Canada. After 911 there was much after blame, and even a panel to lay blame. It seems like the reactive strategy has been tried, so in comes the proactive strategy. Japan and the atom bomb is a nonissue, a totally different situation. That was war, this is not. They call this terrorism.

[jbg]

Without trying to be sarcastic, perhaps because the " lefties " don't believe that neutralizing a -potential- threat is going to help save us from our own stupidity. For all the talk about nuclear weapons, the fact remains that only one country has every actually used them, the U.S., so to suggest that any other country is actually going to use one at some time in the future is purely speculation, no matter how we paint them with the partisan brush.

We had a reason to use it, and it was in an existing hot war. We have never initiated a war with a nuclear attack.

Iran would.

[ft.niagara]

We had a reason to use it, and it was in an existing hot war. We have never initiated a war with a nuclear attack.

Iran would.

This evening I saw Flags of Our Fathers. It is about Iwo Jima and the after lives of those who raised the flag. It is an interesting story. The country had become tired of the war, and was broke. The flag raisers were used to raise money for the war. I think now that the atom bomb was used not only to save American lives, but perhaps to save money. Save money which was not available anyway. Somewhat the same situation as with Iraq. The hell with Japan, the hell with Iraq, enough is enough.

[jbg]

We had a reason to use it, and it was in an existing hot war. We have never initiated a war with a nuclear attack.

Iran would.

This evening I saw Flags of Our Fathers. It is about Iwo Jima and the after lives of those who raised the flag. It is an interesting story. The country had become tired of the war, and was broke. The flag raisers were used to raise money for the war. I think now that the atom bomb was used not only to save American lives, but perhaps to save money. Save money which was not available anyway. Somewhat the same situation as with Iraq. The hell with Japan, the hell with Iraq, enough is enough.

Probably not a bad analogy at all.

[Remiel]

Making you should consider what you just said a little more carefully. Since it would be cheaper, the U.S. should just nuke every city in Iraq the doesn't cooperate, eh? So what if they kill a few more innocent people. I mean, didn't matter to them that something like 20,000 to 50,000 of the people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were imprisoned Koreans. Why should the terrorists start an open war with the U.S.? It's far cheaper and easier to just fly a few planes into the World Trade Centre. I mean, if they are bright enough to use the same justifications for killing Americans as Americans use for killing Koreans, well, good for them, eh!?

Or rather, how shall I put this: If you start a war with the expectation it will be cheap or easy, then you are either going to war for the wrong reasons, or you should not be going at all.

[jbg]

Making you should consider what you just said a little more carefully. Since it would be cheaper, the U.S. should just nuke every city in Iraq the doesn't cooperate, eh? So what if they kill a few more innocent people. I mean, didn't matter to them that something like 20,000 to 50,000 of the people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were imprisoned Koreans. Why should the terrorists start an open war with the U.S.? It's far cheaper and easier to just fly a few planes into the World Trade Centre. I mean, if they are bright enough to use the same justifications for killing Americans as Americans use for killing Koreans, well, good for them, eh!?

Or rather, how shall I put this: If you start a war with the expectation it will be cheap or easy, then you are either going to war for the wrong reasons, or you should not be going at all.

Eventually, wars must be won. Sometimes, that takes an overwhelming strike, such as the ones at Dresden, Hiroshima, Tokyo or Nagasaki. When the war is being fought asymetrically, the civilians tolerating the guerilla encampments in their midst are inevitably brining death on themselves.

[Remiel]

Why jbg, how kind of you to point out how civilians deserve to die for tolerating criminals in their midst. You have just won the prize for most convincing rationization of why it is OK for terrorists to kill Americans: Because for six years they have tolerated and continue to tolerate the criminal misbehaviour of your administration! I'm so happy that you finally made me see how -simple- it really is. Thanks, jbg!

[jbg]

Why jbg, how kind of you to point out how civilians deserve to die for tolerating criminals in their midst.

Could you explain why millions had to die in WW II because of the megalomanical dreams of German and Japanese madmen, including civilians? Can you explain why people eating lunch at Sbarro's Pizza in Jerusalem had to die?

Sorry, but I'd rather have the deaths on the side of those causing the problem, not those trying to solve it.

[Remiel]

You do not get to arbitrarily decide who is trying to "solve" the problem, jbg, which is exactly what you're trying to do.

[Rue]

Apparently, Iran is going to hold a conference concerning the Holocaust. Something about it being false. It sounds pretty scientific, they have researchers from 30 countries who are going to speak.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235686,00.html

"The conference, scheduled for Sunday and Monday, was organized by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called the systematic killing of some 6 million Jews a "myth" and "exaggerated." Some 67 foreign researchers from 30 countries are scheduled to attend the two-day meeting."

There is nothing scientific or respectable about it. To understand where this comes from you have to haave paid attention to a series of articles run in the Iranian government controlled press starting back in 2004. The series of articles has;

1-denied the holocaust happened

2-stated it was impossible to use zyclon gas

3-the numbers of people claimed to have been killed was a lie

4-zionists assisted in sending Jews to their death

5-the holocaust is part of a world zionist conspiracy to justify dominating the world

6-there is nothing wrong with denying the holocaust

7-even if it existed, it is not an excuse for allowing a state of Israel

8-all Jews, not just Zionist supporting Jews or Israelis are evil and involved in world conspiracies.

After you read the on-going series of articles since 2004, you then have to also keep in mind Iranian television regularly runs t.v. shows from Hezbollah t.v. (financed by the Iranian government), Syrian t.v. and Egyptian t.v. that depict Jews as evil, stealing the eyes of Palestinian children, engaged in world conspiracies, spreading diseases, assassinating people, manipulating governments, controlling Hollywood and the banks, and my favourite using the blood of non Jewish children (not just Muslims but Christians too)

to make matzoh for Passover.

All of the above is passed off as scholarly and presented by Professors and noted experts and most importantly by Shiite Muslim clerics also quoting the Koran to state that Jews are infidel and it says in the Koran they must be defeated in a world war along with Christians.

With that context in mind, understand the current leader/President of Iran was chosen from the clerical council because he i9s a thug and prescribes to this.

Why does Iran engage in this. It is simple. While China signed a huge 200 billion liquid gas deal with Iran in 2004 and is its numebr one benefactor for the next 25 years guaranteeing no one can touch Iran now, none of the money is filtering its way to the common Iranian person. The government's strangle hold on the petrol industry is preventing any money from being circulated. The rest of the Iranian economy has collapsed as a result of a centralist government that has no clue how to run an econom.

In fact the two largest economic activities in Iran outside its petro industrial complex now completely controlled and directed by China, is the sex slave trade and heroin. It is a major conduit of child and female sex slaves being shipped all over the world and it is one of the largest exporters of brown heroin and hash hish.

The anti-semitic diatribes are designed to keep peoples' minds off of the goevrnment's own internal economic failures and to justify its imprisonment and torture of thousands of political opponents.

This is a government that systematically hunts down and kills or tortures gays, Bahaiis, or women who dare fight for equality and it exterminates the mentally ill. It has placed its Jewish citizens under a house arrest.

The latest holocaust symposium is part of an anti-Israel exercise started by the Iranian President, a former terrorist and thug with no economic education and who is a self-proclaimed Muslim cleric.

He earlier held a cartoon contest encouraging people from all over the world to draw cartoons as insulting as possible about Jews, in response to the depiction of the Prophet Muhammed in aq Danish newspaper.

This is a man who does not distinguish between Jews, Israelis and Zionists.

This is a man who represents a government that finances Hamas and Hezbollah and has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel, as recently as Monday on the President's world-wide web-site.

This is a country's whose official foreign policy is to send all Israeli Jews back to Europe and refers to Israel as Qods, and who does not believe there should be a state of Israel under any circumstance and at one point called on all Arabs to engage in a holy war to wipe it out. On Saturday, he met with the Hamas leader and called on Hamas to continue its battle until Israel was exterminated and Qods taken back.

This is a man and country whose vision is to create a Muslim theocracy arcoss Africa, Asia and then into Europe and who sees the West as the infidel. Israel and Jews, are but the tip of the ice-berg in this man's war. Next comes anyone Christian or non Muslim.

Interestingly the kind of people invited to this symposium on the holocaust are all notoroious anti-semites including David Duke the former head of the KKK. The President has deliberately invited the usual anti-Jewish, Jews are evil racists to the symposium. He also invited 4 ultra-orthodox Jews, beause ultra-orthodox Jews do not believe Israel as a state should exist. These 4 idiot Rabbiahs now realize they are being used and have said the holocaust existed but it is a bit too late.

Allegedly 30 holocaust survivors will be given 5 minutes each to say on the inter-net what happened to them.

Make no mistake there is nothing scientific going on. This is another circus display by a lunatic.

Interestingly Iranian students attempted a demonstration yesterday calling for his removal and were quickly attacked by pro Iranian religious supporters.

I think it is safe to say many Iranians may not be buying into this circus but are helpless to do anything at this point.

[ft.niagara]

David Duke suggests that there is faulty translations of statements. Since I do not speak farsi, who knows. Al Jazerra is not available in English, but is not picked up by the cable companies. Again, who knows. Is what you say true or not, do you really know?

[jbg]

David Duke suggests that there is faulty translations of statements. Since I do not speak farsi, who knows. Al Jazerra is not available in English, but is not picked up by the cable companies. Again, who knows. Is what you say true or not, do you really know?

There actually is an "Al Jezeerah English" now.

[Remiel]

I wonder how well you could frame the conflict in the Middle East in the context of the prisoner's dilemna.