Girls Rule

[JerrySeinfeld]

Girls Rule

By Margaret Wente, Saturday, May 31, 2003

Toronto Globe and Mail

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Edited December 5, 2006 by Greg

[Black Dog]

Why is it that just about everyone else here has figured out how to abide by proper posting convention, yet poor Jerry here still can't grasp it?

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[JerrySeinfeld]

Why is it that just about everyone else here has figured out how to abide by proper posting convention, yet poor Jerry here still can't grasp it?

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Yes, DOGGY.

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[JerrySeinfeld]

Why is it that just about everyone else here has figured out how to abide by proper posting convention, yet poor Jerry here still can't grasp it?

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Yes sir DOGGY...gosh lefties hate good news.

How about that shrinking ozone layer?

[Black Dog]

Maybe this will help:

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[blueblood]

I've been to University back in the day, and I can honestly say it didn't do me any good. University is not the be all and end all in the world, and if girls are doing well in school good for them. I think there is a problem with society that it is placing so much emphasis on education and university and the likes. A person can still make money working with their back and can do well. Some of the smartest people I've talked to just barely got their grade 12 and are just farm workers or rig pigs. My crop inputs are probably more than most people's salaries with a university degree, There is a guy I know who's a 22 year old driller on the rigs making 6 figures. I don't like the feeling I get from society that you are less of a person just because you didn't go to University, I think that's crap.

[Hydraboss]

A university degree is an absolute requirement for a person to be able to use phrases like:

"I will be resecting the bowel before I begin the bypass."

and

"I find it hard to believe that previous science was unable to discover the origin of dark matter, when it is so obviously simple."

and

"Would you like fries with that, or would you prefer the side salad for $2.95 more?"

Sometimes a post-secondary education is highly overrated...sometimes it's not. I probably wouldn't want a grade 10 dropout conducting surgery on me.

[August1991]

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[blueblood]

A university degree is an absolute requirement for a person to be able to use phrases like:

"I will be resecting the bowel before I begin the bypass."

and

"I find it hard to believe that previous science was unable to discover the origin of dark matter, when it is so obviously simple."

and

"Would you like fries with that, or would you prefer the side salad for $2.95 more?"

Sometimes a post-secondary education is highly overrated...sometimes it's not. I probably wouldn't want a grade 10 dropout conducting surgery on me.

And I wouldn't want someone with a PhD replacing a clutch on the rotor of my combine... or I wouldn't want someone with their masters in psychology running my sprayer doing custom work for somebody. But as far as surgery goes your right, my point is it's not the be all and end all.

[Drea]

Thing is, one can only do "grunt" work while they are young and fit.

Girls and women are finally getting the drift. Education pays off. On the other hand, boys are too interested in the latest shootemup video game to wrap their heads around school.

My son is on a very tight rein regarding his gaming. Schoolwork first is our mantra and I have to repeat and repeat it! He is looking forward to going to university focussing on ancient anthropology. I'd rather have him do that than go plow a field somewhere.

[blueblood]

Thing is, one can only do "grunt" work while they are young and fit.

Girls and women are finally getting the drift. Education pays off. On the other hand, boys are too interested in the latest shootemup video game to wrap their heads around school.

My son is on a very tight rein regarding his gaming. Schoolwork first is our mantra and I have to repeat and repeat it! He is looking forward to going to university focussing on ancient anthropology. I'd rather have him do that than go plow a field somewhere.

What if he wanted to go plow a field? Lots of country boys that I know despise school it wasn't vids, it's the whole idea behind it and it's been like that forever, cripes my time in university was torture, maybe girls like going to school, doing well at it and succeeding hats off to them, my response was that in the article it was some sort of emergency that boys might get left behind because for some reason some people make university the be all and end all and if your not part of that crowd it sucks to be you.

[RB]

its a strange faculty. the girls are doing well and we are not worried about them any longer!

And, what's happening to the boys?

Well, take a look...messing about, doing nothing or perhaps thinking about how to manage the accumulation of monies their father have toiled for.

With all their smarts, girls have not been able to gain some power, much less reproduce power

my thinking is boys still rule

[Drea]

What if he wanted to go plow a field? Lots of country boys that I know despise school it wasn't vids, it's the whole idea behind it and it's been like that forever, cripes my time in university was torture, maybe girls like going to school, doing well at it and succeeding hats off to them, my response was that in the article it was some sort of emergency that boys might get left behind because for some reason some people make university the be all and end all and if your not part of that crowd it sucks to be you.

No, it doesn't suck to be me. Trust me.

City boys. I was talking about boys raised in towns and cities. My apologies..

I grew up on a 2000 acre ranch with 300 head and all that went with it. I certainly have a great respect for hard homegrown work -- if you're raised in it. I moved to the ranch when I was 10 (a city kid).

I live in a town with my kid and he doesn't have the freedom I did. So his schooling keeps him focussed on his goal. (which changes weekly! ) In the city it's all too easy for a boy to fall into the gaming, ganging, culture.

And yes, my son is an A student, better'n a lot of girls.

If I might add: I do think the lack of a father figure could be a clue as to the boys' performance.

[jdobbin]

If I might add: I do think the lack of a father figure could be a clue as to the boys' performance.

Do you have evidence of that or is that just an opinion?

[Remiel]

I think perhaps that boys no longer do as well in school for two rather simple reasons: Boys mature more slowly than girls. Recent decades have seen a proliferation of electronic doohickeys that are exceptionally good at garnering boys attention. Combine less maturity with more distractions, and you have a recipe for less success.

All this talk about seperating boys and girls in nonsense. Maybe it would produce marginally better results, but I can guarantee you I wasn't terrible at doing my school work because I was too busy thinking about girls.

I had all the classes I wanted, pretty much. The problem wasn't the mix of students, it was me.

[Drea]

If I might add: I do think the lack of a father figure could be a clue as to the boys' performance.

Do you have evidence of that or is that just an opinion?

An opinion.

From experience.

I raised my son on my own for his first 7 years and I believe that children need fathers.

A father drives you to do your best. You want approval from your father (mom's approval is automatic). Even at my age I still want respect and approval from my dad. I want him to say "good job, I'm proud of you".

Moms, on the other hand, approve of most everything their children do and are proud even with the simplest of tasks.

It takes more effort to please dad.

[Saturn]

I think perhaps that boys no longer do as well in school for two rather simple reasons: Boys mature more slowly than girls. Recent decades have seen a proliferation of electronic doohickeys that are exceptionally good at garnering boys attention. Combine less maturity with more distractions, and you have a recipe for less success.

All this talk about seperating boys and girls in nonsense. Maybe it would produce marginally better results, but I can guarantee you I wasn't terrible at doing my school work because I was too busy thinking about girls.

I had all the classes I wanted, pretty much. The problem wasn't the mix of students, it was me.

Interesting points. However, women get a much higher return on education than men do. University educated women make 3 times more on average than women without university degrees. For men the difference is far smaller. Naturally, girls value univesity education more than boys do.

[sideshow]

I know lots of people with university degrees that make half as much as i do. And don't like their employment as much as I do either.

Not to knock university or anything. In fact, I will encourage my children to get a degree once they they graduate. But I think that working a few hard labour jobs will be good for building their character. As well, I think the university is a stepping stone, not the be all end all to gaining fulfilling, economically viable employment. Its simply one piece of the puzzle.