Monumental Stupidity

[Figleaf]

I don't really see why they should be lumped together.

One thread discussed the Bush administration policy that lead to human rights abuses.

Another thread discussed the economic opportunity costs of the Iraq war.

An the third discussed the human costs of the war.

They seem like discreet issues to me. Why bother with separate threads in the forums at all if we can't use them to deal with details and particulars?

[guyser]

'Renditioning' people for torture, sexually abusing prisoners of war, starting wars on false pretenses, lying on the world stage, and undermining prohibitions against torture are all shameful deeds. And they have all been committed by the Bush regime.

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

And Canada is guilty of some of that too. Live under a rock..?.. , or do you like to espouse your US hatred in print, the whole while thinking that this will get the MLW irritated?

THIS forum is the US Politics forum. Why on Earth would you expect me to comment about Canada on the US Politics forum???

I just thought you would like to know how hypocritical you sound........guess not.

[Canadian Blue]

For the Iraq debacle, 2300 needless American deaths lie on Bush's conscience, if he has one. Who knows ... in the next two years, his record might surpass 9/11.

I believe it has already surpassed 9/11. Either way we could have easily impeached Johnson and Truman, both of whom could be considered guilty of "war crimes" [War crimes is a term that's being abused by everyone these days, mostly out of ignorance of what a war crime is].

I'm sure more people would be heaping Bush with praise, if it wasn't for the insurgency. I agree the war was a massive mistake based on faulty intelligence. However we also talk about going into Sudan, Yugoslavia, etc. If either of those conflicts didn't turn out the way we were hoping should we impeach the leaders as well.

[Figleaf]

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[guyser]

Hypocritical? For that to be the case you have to (incorrectly) posit that I don't hold Canada to the same standards.

Funny, I see no such condemnation of Canada on there......just you telling us how bad the US was/is.

Yup...hypocritical !

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bush is the most intelligent and forward lokoing leader of our time. History will be MUCH kinder to him the the present tense impatient electorate.

[Figleaf]

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[Figleaf]

Bush is the most intelligent and forward lokoing leader of our time. History will be MUCH kinder to him the the present tense impatient electorate.

ROTFLMAO

Bush will be reviled through the centuries of America's sad slow decline.

[guyser]

This is a US Politics section of the forum, accordingly there is no reason I should be talking about Canada here. Get with it.

Oh I get it now. You can stand knee deep in garbage , yet you can pontificate about your neighbours garbage because we are talking about your neighbour.

here you go....

“Hypocritical” has a narrow, very specific meaning. It describes behavior or speech that is intended to make one look better or more pious than one really is.

[moderateamericain]

Impeach him for what?

Criminal recklessness.

Theres no law in the united states that has the ability to impeach for that. Unless he gets behind the wheel of the limo half cocked.

If america is in decline, i hope you like learning chinese.

[sharkman]

Oh Figgy, here is another thread you started with no other reason than to bash Bush.

[Figleaf]

I certainly posted the thread to criticise incompetent Bush and his destructive administration.

Do you have a problem with that?

[Figleaf]

Impeach him for what?

Criminal recklessness.

Theres no law in the united states that has the ability to impeach for that. Unless he gets behind the wheel of the limo half cocked.

FYI...

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/impeach2.html

...the Constitution specifies that high government officials may be impeached for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." What precisely constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors" is, however, uncertain because the courts have not specifically defined or interpreted the term, unlike other constitutional clauses. Treason and bribery are very serious offenses against the state, and most experts agree that offenses encompassed within "high crimes and misdemeanors" are similarly serious. ("Misdemeanors" is a constitutional term that does not have the current meaning of an offense less serious than a felony.)

There is historical precedent dealing with impeachable conduct. For example, in 1974 the House Judiciary Committee rejected articles of impeachment against President Nixon for the secret bombings in Cambodia, which were viewed as being within executive prerogative as commander in chief, and for personal income tax irregularities, which were viewed as too personal to warrant impeachment. (The articles approved by the House Judiciary Committee related to criminal actions during the cover-up of the Watergate break-in; as noted above, Nixon resigned before the full House voted on the articles).

Also, many experts agree that there are different standards for impeachable and criminal conduct. In the words of Dean John D. Feerick of Fordham University School of Law, in an article published in 1984, "Most authorities agree--and the precedents are in accord--that an impeachable offense is not limited to conduct which is indictable. Conduct that undermines the integrity of a public office or is in disregard of constitutional duties or involves abuse of power is generally regarded as grounds for impeachment. Since impeachment is a drastic sanction, the misconduct must be substantial and serious."

If america is in decline, i hope you like learning chinese.

I wish Bush had not precipitated America's decline.

[sharkman]

I don't believe you are capable of objective criticism of Bush. Your three threads of Bush bashing titles show this.

[Figleaf]

I don't believe you are capable of objective criticism of Bush.

So, refute my points if you can.

[Figleaf]

BTW, here is an interesing roundup of Bush impeachment grounds ...

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/grounds.html

[GostHacked]

Impeach him for what?

Criminal recklessness.

Theres no law in the united states that has the ability to impeach for that. Unless he gets behind the wheel of the limo half cocked.

If america is in decline, i hope you like learning chinese.

20 years ago, it was 'I hope you like learning Russian' during the Cold War (always people making with the war).... always an outside threat somehow. Always in danger from the out.

Also replace 'terrorism' with 'communist Russia' or Nazi Germany and the rhetoric is the same, only the names have changed.

[Canadian Blue]

So, refute my points if you can.

Have you made any points except saying Bush has had a destructive administration. In all honesty though, Bush will be out in two years, and for all we know America might be out of Iraq. People are exagerating the damage Bush has done, it can be reversed with the right leaders at the helm.

20 years ago, it was 'I hope you like learning Russian' during the Cold War (always people making with the war).... always an outside threat somehow. Always in danger from the out.

Also replace 'terrorism' with 'communist Russia' or Nazi Germany and the rhetoric is the same, only the names have changed.

The reason why people say that is because of all the lefties who want to see America's economy destroyed, which wouldn't be good for anyone. I heard this one girl talking about how she couldn't wait till America crashed. I mean honestly, would we rather have a nation like China or Russia being the sole superpower. If so then I'd question your mental sanity.

[Figleaf]

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People are exagerating the damage Bush has done,

Exagerating!?

It's already beyond extreme, so who would need to exagerate it?

Thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis. Billions of dollars squandered. American military might shown to be a paper tiger. Middle East peace a pipedream. The U.S. tagged as a rogue state. The constitution p!ssed on.

All because of Bush.

[frogs]

Thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis. Billions of dollars squandered. American military might shown to be a paper tiger. Middle East peace a pipedream. The U.S. tagged as a rogue state. The constitution p!ssed on.

All because of Bush.

But these were Americans dumb enough to go kill strangers for pay and benefits. Why would we wan them in the US?

But I agree Bush should be impeached, then we can get Monica in there ASAP, so she can serve mankind!

[Figleaf]

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[bush_cheney2004]

Thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis. Billions of dollars squandered. American military might shown to be a paper tiger. Middle East peace a pipedream. The U.S. tagged as a rogue state. The constitution p!ssed on.

All because of Bush.

Yea, if only mighty Canada would have joined the coalition! Conquest in a day with nobody killed...just like in Afghanistan. Damn that Chretien!

Canada couldn't even piss on a constitution until 1982.

[BubberMiley]

Bush is the most intelligent and forward lokoing leader of our time. History will be MUCH kinder to him the the present tense impatient electorate.

You keep on making this point over and over without anything to back it up. Present some history books from the future, and I'll take you seriously.