Monumental Stupidity

[Figleaf]

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld Achievements (partial list)

[BHS]

Impeach him for what?

[Figleaf]

Impeach him for what?

Criminal recklessness.

[geoffrey]

Last time I checked, it was the terrorists killing these people and being reckless, not Bush.

[GostHacked]

LET me jump in here and http://infowars.net/articles/december2006/...Impeachment.htm I think this is enough reasoning for it. Regardless of it being loud mouth Alex Jones' site.

[gc1765]

Last time I checked, it was the terrorists killing these people and being reckless, not Bush.

In that case we should get a list of Iraqi casualties

[GostHacked]

Last time I checked, it was the terrorists killing these people and being reckless, not Bush.

In that case we should get a list of Iraqi casualties

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ this might not be the best place for it. Since it is not MSM or that kind of garbage.

[Figleaf]

Last time I checked, it was the terrorists killing these people and being reckless, not Bush.

Bush and his gang put US troops in harm's way in Iraq for absolutely no valid reason.

That's a horrific breach of the implicit trust placed in him as a commander.

The Bush regime acted like old-time biblical potentates, imperiously throwing away the lives of soldiers in service of their personal greed or vanity.

For the Iraq debacle, 2300 needless American deaths lie on Bush's conscience, if he has one. Who knows ... in the next two years, his record might surpass 9/11.

[Figleaf]

'Renditioning' people for torture, sexually abusing prisoners of war, starting wars on false pretenses, lying on the world stage, and undermining prohibitions against torture are all shameful deeds. And they have all been committed by the Bush regime.

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

[JerrySeinfeld]

'Renditioning' people for torture, sexually abusing prisoners of war, starting wars on false pretenses, lying on the world stage, and undermining prohibitions against torture are all shameful deeds. And they have all been committed by the Bush regime.

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

Hmmm - these all sound like reasons we ousted Saddam.

[Riverwind]

Hmmm - these all sound like reasons we ousted Saddam.

The irony is terrible.

[Leafless]

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

Poor America?

Thank God for America and God bless America.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

Poor America?

Thank God for America and God bless America.

America is more like the parent. The ingrate teenage whiny childeren are the Euro states who are just nice enough to Daddy to get protection in the form of Nato and the most expensive military on the face of the earth while they spend and spend on lavish social programs, then turn aruond and criticize the US for having lesser social programs and a big military - even though it was America's military spending which cost them social programs and ALLOWED the euros to overspend on theirs.

[Canadian Blue]

Stewart/Colbert 08

if not...

Barack Obama in 08

[jdobbin]

Poor America?

Thank God for America and God bless America.

And don't criticize it ever.

[guyser]

'Renditioning' people for torture, sexually abusing prisoners of war, starting wars on false pretenses, lying on the world stage, and undermining prohibitions against torture are all shameful deeds. And they have all been committed by the Bush regime.

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

And Canada is guilty of some of that too. Live under a rock..?.. , or do you like to espouse your US hatred in print, the whole while thinking that this will get the MLW irritated?

Your moms calling....bathtime !

[BHS]

Stewart/Colbert 08

if not...

Barack Obama in 08

Hmm.

Stewart/Colbert - which one runs for which office? I can't see either man wanting to play second fiddle to the other.

What do you like about Obama?

[BHS]

'Renditioning' people for torture, sexually abusing prisoners of war, starting wars on false pretenses, lying on the world stage, and undermining prohibitions against torture are all shameful deeds. And they have all been committed by the Bush regime.

Let's take these charges one at a time:

'Renditioning' people for torture: Renditioning is a practice that predates Bush and is most likely carried out by the CIA, definitely NOT a wing of the "Bush regime" (see Plamegate). Doesn't make it right, of course.

sexually abusing prisoners of war: Again, the Armed Forces are not a wing of the "Bush regime". And the prisoners at Abu Ghraib (I'm assuming this is what you're referring to) weren't POWs by defintion.

starting wars on false pretenses: (I'm guessing you're talking about WMD.) Making sure that Saddam isn't capable of developing nukes isn't a false pretense, regardless of whether or not he actually possessed that capability at the time of the invasion. Preventing the merest possibility of a future nuclear-armed Uday Hussein regime is worthwhile in and of itself, as is deposing a tyrants with Saddam's credentials in any case. And, to be technically correct, the action taken in 1991 was never fullly resolved, so Bush wasn't really "starting" a war with Iraq.

lying on the world stage: I'll give you this one. You can tell a politician is lying when his mouth moves. I challenge you to find me one example of a politician talking on the world stage who isn't lying. Start by crossing Kofi Annan, John Kerry and Jacques Chirac off the list.

undermining prohibitions against torture: You're going to have to flesh this one out a bit. Are you referring to renditioning again? Or are you suggesting that Bushco authorized domestic torture as well as farming out torture to foreign governments? Which definition of torture are you going by, the universally understood definiton that involves causing extreme physical pain and/or permanent disability, or the McCain definition that boils down to anything that causes discomfort or shame? Further, it's a pretty twisted outlook that views America's efforts to catch or kill people who saw other people's heads off for propaganda purposes as being part and parcel to "undermining prohibitions against torture". Prohibitions are meaningless if they are universally applicable.

I don't know why I bother with replying to this drecht. I honestly don't believe that you think America has been disgraced by Bush - to feel that way, you'd have to have seen some good in America at some point.

[Figleaf]

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

Poor America?

Thank God for America and God bless America.

Have pity on America, led by a cabal of dangerous, destructive, and unethical people.

[Figleaf]

'Renditioning' people for torture, sexually abusing prisoners of war, starting wars on false pretenses, lying on the world stage, and undermining prohibitions against torture are all shameful deeds. And they have all been committed by the Bush regime.

Poor America. It's like a decent kid with reprobate parents -- embarrassed when they drunkenly expose themselves to the neighbors or piss on their fences.

And Canada is guilty of some of that too. Live under a rock..?.. , or do you like to espouse your US hatred in print, the whole while thinking that this will get the MLW irritated?

THIS forum is the US Politics forum. Why on Earth would you expect me to comment about Canada on the US Politics forum???

[Figleaf]

if you don't want me, then you don't want my posts, i assume

Edited July 24, 2007 by Figleaf

[Figleaf]

So, just for perspective, based on the cost of the Iraq debacle so far, if Bush and his cabal had not pointlessly and criminally attacked, the government could instead have ...

Paid tuition for over 20 million Americans to obtain a 4 year degree;

or

Provided nine million Americans with open heart surgery;

or

Hired over eight million teachers;

or

Sent every American child under 12 for a one week summer camp.

[reffric]

Truly amazing.

[kimmy]

Small housekeeping question... when we already have "America Disgraced... by Bush" and "Monumental Stupidity... Impeach Bush" ...is a new thread for "The high cost of an illegal war... Bush regime waste" really merit a new thread?

It seems to me that all three topics could have easily gone into the same thread. Perhaps a "Bush Sucks" thread could be stickied onto the top of the first page so that all of these topics could be put there without creating all of this clutter.

-k

[Greg]

Small housekeeping question... when we already have "America Disgraced... by Bush" and "Monumental Stupidity... Impeach Bush" ...is a new thread for "The high cost of an illegal war... Bush regime waste" really merit a new thread?

It seems to me that all three topics could have easily gone into the same thread. Perhaps a "Bush Sucks" thread could be stickied onto the top of the first page so that all of these topics could be put there without creating all of this clutter.

Done - enjoy!