Nothing sums up how I feel better

[gerryhatrick]

Hmm. something i remember from a geology class back in the day....

You should contact the National Academy of Science with your information. This could turn the scientific certainty about Global Warming right on it's head.

[jdobbin]

You should contact the National Academy of Science with your information. This could turn the scientific certainty about Global Warming right on it's head.

Some Conservatives are not worried about smoking either because there is no evidence that it causes problems.

[blueblood]

Hmm. something i remember from a geology class back in the day....

You should contact the National Academy of Science with your information. This could turn the scientific certainty about Global Warming right on it's head.

I'll get right on that when you go to any Geologic department at any University saying that the Earth's temperature and CO2 levels were at X level all throughout Geologic time and only now have been rising and are sky high.

[Figleaf]

I would be every suprised to see us get equalisation, ever. During the darkest days of the 80's and with then NEP, Alberta was still paying more per capital into equalisation than Ontario.

That should tell you how very little trouble the NEP and 80s recession really caused. Equalization is calculated based on a formula. If Alberta had been experiencing any real problem the formula would have led to a $ injection.

Newfoundland has enormous potential, and they choose to squander it with an anti-business agenda.

How so?

[gerryhatrick]

Hmm. something i remember from a geology class back in the day....

You should contact the National Academy of Science with your information. This could turn the scientific certainty about Global Warming right on it's head.

I'll get right on that when you go to any Geologic department at any University saying that the Earth's temperature and CO2 levels were at X level all throughout Geologic time and only now have been rising and are sky high.

Whatever. Save your hack scientific conclusions and your red herrings for the WorldNetDaily forum.

Global Warming is a reality, deal with it.

[Charles Anthony]

Global Warming is a reality, deal with it.

Instead of ranting, how do you propose we deal with it?

The opening rant from Heather Mallick gives recommendations on what should be done but it says absolutely nothing about politically HOW they should be done. Until somebody presents incentives for preventing the inevitable "crunch year, 2050, when we're hot and killing each other for water" all we are getting is hysterical and useless ranting.

The Global Warming Ranting is just as productive as saying we must end all poverty or end all hunger or promote peace or be good to our neighbors or get tough on crime or promote literacy or yadda yadda yadda.

[geoffrey]

It's minus 26 right now with 15cm's of snow coming tonight. I'm praying for a little global warming.

Or maybe this is global warming... isn't Suzuki yapping about global cooling now... or just climate change.

I have little doubt that CO2 emissions aren't great, but sheesh, they can't figure out what's going on, why would I trust them to tell me to change it.

Anyways, a plus ten... maybe even a plus twenty... change in temperature is exactly what I'm calling for now!! Power up those coal generators and your 1970's car!!

BRRRR!!! Chilly in the West.

[jdobbin]

It's minus 26 right now with 15cm's of snow coming tonight. I'm praying for a little global warming.

Or maybe this is global warming... isn't Suzuki yapping about global cooling now... or just climate change.

I have little doubt that CO2 emissions aren't great, but sheesh, they can't figure out what's going on, why would I trust them to tell me to change it.

Anyways, a plus ten... maybe even a plus twenty... change in temperature is exactly what I'm calling for now!! Power up those coal generators and your 1970's car!!

BRRRR!!! Chilly in the West.

And you are exporting that cold east. Please. Don't be so generous.

[Saturn]

Hmm. something i remember from a geology class back in the day....

You should contact the National Academy of Science with your information. This could turn the scientific certainty about Global Warming right on it's head.

I'll get right on that when you go to any Geologic department at any University saying that the Earth's temperature and CO2 levels were at X level all throughout Geologic time and only now have been rising and are sky high.

You are right. 4 billion years ago the Earth had different levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, it fact it had no atmosphere at all. Since that was perfectly "natural", we'll do just fine in such conditions.

The current levels are not the highest ever. What's highest is the rate of change in temperatures that is occurring. The CO2 levels and temperatures have varied over time but they went up or down over thousands of years. What's happening now is that they are going up real damn quick, thanks to us digging up carbon and putting in the atmosphere. See, the key here is that if the temp. goes up slowly over 10 years, species adapt to it. If it goes up the same amount over 100 years, then there is no way to adapt - species just get wiped out. All our problems come from the fact that we and our economy won't be able to adapt fast enough without suffering huge damage. It's that simple.

[Saturn]

This government is starting a process,it will take time.Don't like it,ammend the program, They will listen.

Ah yes, they started a process alright. They canceled every program that the Liberal government started, canceled the government web site with all the history of Kyoto and what was being done to improve the environment and came out with their Hot... oops "Clean" Air Act that is a total farce.

But what this miserable "new" government didn't count on was that once something is on the internet, it leave a trail.

What did the Liberals really accomplish?

significantly reduce sulphur levels in diesel fuel; Since 2001, regulations have been implemented to cut down engine emissions of many pollutants such as particulate matter, nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds that come from on- and off-road vehicles, engines and the fuels that power them.

“These regulations set stringent new Canadian standards aligned with U.S. requirements,” added the Minister, “and by promoting the competitiveness of Canada’s refining industry, the approach is aligned under the Government of Canada’s Project Green, the broad environmental vision that links Canada’s economic competitiveness and prosperity to a sustainable future.” The regulations introduce controls on sulphur in non-road diesel fuel from the current unregulated level to a 500 milligrams per kilogram (mg / kg) limit in 2007 and a 15 mg/kg limit starting in 2010. This will result in about a 99% reduction in four years from the current, unregulated average level of sulphur in non-road diesel fuel.

Increasing our environmental performance; On clean air, we are moving ahead with our Ten Year Clean Air Agenda laid out in 2000, in order to minimize pollution, reduce transportation sector emissions, lower emissions from major industrial sources, improve pollutant reporting by industry, advance clean air science, and engage the public in finding solutions to clean air issues.

An Overview of Project Green

Canada Launches Project Green

"The Plan provides for Government of Canada investments...to fully realize the anticipated reductions of about 270 megatonnes.” David Emerson agreed with Project Green

So don't ever say the the Liberal government did nothing for the environment or couldn't meet it's Kyoto obligations cause they were on target to do both, although more needed to be done to meet the targets, and ain't nothin' that Steve can say or do that will change that piece of history.

What a farce. The green plan, attack the three core industries that create all the wealth. Fro which nothing else would be possible. It should have been called the economic treason plan.

You are right. All the world's scientists just got together one day and decided to screw the oil industry. Just like they got together and invented evolution just to screw the sects which believe in "intelligent design". They also invented lung cancer and gave it to smokers just to screw the tobacco industry. And they made a hole in the ozone layer to screw the CFC industry. All conspiracies by them evil scientists.

[sharkman]

Guess what, scientists just realized that they've been attacking cancer wrong after 40 years of trying. Damn, eh? Gee, I wonder if they could be wrong about any of the above mentioned items.

"It is not unreasonable to say that all this time, the 30 or 40 years that chemotherapy and radiation [have] been around, we've been going after the wrong cells," said Alan Bernstein, president of the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, the country's main medical research funding agency.

[gerryhatrick]

It's minus 26 right now with 15cm's of snow coming tonight. I'm praying for a little global warming.

Humor is one way of dealing with something you can't deal with otherwise.

[B. Max]

I agree with the Mallick article.

Canada made a commitment to a process which was international in scope. Now we are back to every man for himself. It is interesting to note that Harper's language in this has matched George Bush phrase for phrase over time. Instead of 'global warming', we now have 'climate change' - a Bush innovation.

That was an invention of the climate scare mongers. It had nothing to do with Bush.

[geoffrey]

It's minus 26 right now with 15cm's of snow coming tonight. I'm praying for a little global warming.

Humor is one way of dealing with something you can't deal with otherwise.

Wow, did someone rain on your parade today? It was a joke...

[jdobbin]

Guess what, scientists just realized that they've been attacking cancer wrong after 40 years of trying. Damn, eh? Gee, I wonder if they could be wrong about any of the above mentioned items.

"It is not unreasonable to say that all this time, the 30 or 40 years that chemotherapy and radiation [have] been around, we've been going after the wrong cells," said Alan Bernstein, president of the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, the country's main medical research funding agency.

Cancer is a myth that left wingers have been using to scare people.

[Rovik]

Newfoundland has enormous potential, and they choose to squander it with an anti-business agenda. I'm sure the government wants to insure a cheap labour pool there or something, because it seems that the government's of Newfoundland try desperately to prevent businesses from growing and people from working.

Newfoundland bashing again I see. Why am I not surprised, considering your very blatant anti-Newfoundland bias.

Newfoundlland does have tremendous potential and the government must be responsible enough to maximize the benefits of the potential to the people of Newfoundland, not to some CEO of an oil company so that the CEO can make his/her $1 million dollar performance bonus or to stockholders in places like Calgary and Houston. Newfoundland has far too long let businesses come in here and dictate terms and only received short-term employment in return. Often in Newfoundland's past, most of the benefits would leave the province to places like Alberta. Finally, our government has said no more, and have told companies (such as those in the oil sector) that enough is enough and we want our fair share; that we won't be treated like some third-world country like Nigeria and that we should get the same arrangements as Alberta such as fallow-field legislation and royalties similar to what Alberta is getting (Newfoundland's royalties don't come close to what Alberta is getting.)

At the same time, I would have to say that the govt. of Newfoundland is very fair to business and this govt. has granted generous tax breaks and incentives to companies. The oil companies make huge profits off the Hibernia oil field and are making good profits off Terra Nova and White Rose (though initially the oil companies tried to creatively hide the huge profits they were making off Hibernia in the negotiations with Newfoundland over the Hebron- Nevis oil fields.)

[Rovik]

Heather is bang on when it comes to how I feel about Rona Ambrose tarnishing Canada's reputation on the international stage:

What truly amazes me is that people will talk about what the Liberals didn't do in the past (in the letters). Honestly, who cares what they did or didn't do? This is all in the past and the past cannot be changed. What can be changed is the future and government policy is set by the current government we have, not by a past government that we don't have.

When will people get the idea that when our and our children's future is at stake, there is no room for pointing fingers, there is no room for politics, because if we keep doing that, there will be no room left for action when it's too late? What the hell is wrong with people? Why are the profits of oil companies more important to some people than their own lives and the lives of their children and grandchildren? Or are they just assuming that nothing bad will happen during their lifetime and who cares what happens after that?

My take is that the Liberals did nothing when they had the chance (and let the situation get worse by their inaction) and that the Conservatives by their misguided policies will make the environment worse, not better. I trust neither party with dealing with the environment.

[Canuck E Stan]

The solution is:

1) Close all coal burning plants. Replace them by solar/wind power and nuclear power.

2a) Implement mandatory emissions caps and controls on oil and gas producers similar to those that exist in Europe.

2b) Implement mandatory emissions caps and controls on all other industries.

3) Slap $1/littre tax on gasoline. Put the money collected from that tax in public transportation.

4) Slap heavy taxes on all gas guzzlers. Put the money collected into subsidies on fuel-efficient vehicles.

5) Ban the use of 2 stroke engines without cat. converters.

6) Ban the sale of appliances that draw electricity while turned off. Ban the sale of appliances that waste electricity while in use.

7) Implement regulations on all new construction (to satisfy minimum energy efficiency requirements)

This would be a good start and there is a whole lot more that can be done. And all of this can be done before 2012 and if it is done we could even meet our Kyoto targets or come pretty close anyway.

Why bother with all this complicated stuff?

8) Forget items 1-7, write a big fat cheque for $10 Billion dollars, and all the problems are solved.

It's the Liberal way,quick, easy,on target and end of the problem.

Thank goodness for this solution, now future generations can breathe easier.

Emissions trading on the rise

The fear in the West has been that as China and India industrialize, they'll build factories and power stations that will boost emissions so high they will cancel reductions in the West.

And so to the leadership race. Stéphane Dion is the only candidate who specifically mentions the need to invest in emission reductions in China and India. He would re-establish a Climate Fund that, among other things, would purchase "green international credits." What he doesn't say is that he would need such purchases to fulfill his commitment of meeting Canada's Kyoto target by 2012. The cost of his entire environmental program would be $10 billion over the next six years, he says.

Bob Rae would contribute enough to "green projects in developing nations" to meet former prime minister Lester Pearson's goal of increasing foreign aid to 0.7 per cent of Canada's gross domestic product. He doesn't say how much this would cost.

Michael Ignatieff says a government run by him could not meet Canada's Kyoto target, because it would cost billions of dollars to buy emission credits from other countries. He would, however, "contribute to credible emission reduction projects, particularly in developing countries." In other words, he would spend considerably less in China and India than would Dion.

Gerard Kennedy doesn't mention foreign spending.

It should be embarrassing to Canadians to be singled out as missing in action. Emerging Asian nations have now overtaken North America as the foremost emitters of greenhouse gases.

How stupid I was to think climate control would take a long time to fix.

Vote for your favourite Liberal leader and climate control can be fixed tomorrow.

[geoffrey]

Newfoundland bashing again I see. Why am I not surprised, considering your very blatant anti-Newfoundland bias.

How am I Newfoundland bashing?!? That was very constructive criticism and I didn't label Newfies as lazy or anything... just that their government has been an epic failure to it's people.

Newfoundlland does have tremendous potential and the government must be responsible enough to maximize the benefits of the potential to the people of Newfoundland, not to some CEO of an oil company so that the CEO can make his/her $1 million dollar performance bonus or to stockholders in places like Calgary and Houston.

And that's why your GDP per capita mirrors some areas of Eastern Europe. Got to lose that attitude one day, you need to stop condemning success.

Newfoundland has far too long let businesses come in here and dictate terms and only received short-term employment in return. Often in Newfoundland's past, most of the benefits would leave the province to places like Alberta. Finally, our government has said no more, and have told companies (such as those in the oil sector) that enough is enough and we want our fair share; that we won't be treated like some third-world country like Nigeria and that we should get the same arrangements as Alberta such as fallow-field legislation and royalties similar to what Alberta is getting (Newfoundland's royalties don't come close to what Alberta is getting.)

And your getting close to what is fair. You treat business poorly, and they'll treat you similarly in return. Can you think of a situation where a government has been anti-business yet had investment flocking to their region? Newfoundland's regulations are much more strict than Alberta's, and the government stands in the way as a massive roadblock to all development. Fallow-field legislation could be the responsibility of your government, if the off-shore card is used, then sure, why hasn't your government pressured Ottawa to do more? You've only had 20 years of knowing oil was there...

So it's fancy you think you get dictate the terms, but beggers can't be chosers. Have the industry come with attractive business policy, and then tax them later if you so choose. But your not going to attract any investment with a "give us our fair share or hit the highway!" attitude. Compromise is the basis of business, not hardline socialist views.

At the same time, I would have to say that the govt. of Newfoundland is very fair to business and this govt. has granted generous tax breaks and incentives to companies. The oil companies make huge profits off the Hibernia oil field and are making good profits off Terra Nova and White Rose (though initially the oil companies tried to creatively hide the huge profits they were making off Hibernia in the negotiations with Newfoundland over the Hebron- Nevis oil fields.)

I don't know. I think Newfoundland is good to a select few businesses. But there's a problem. Newfoundland has 1/4 the small-businesses per capita as Alberta does. Why? Why don't people want to make money?! I know the Newfies are very talented people, and a very educated population. So why not enter business for themselves if no jobs are available... geographic location isn't a big deal anymore, and either way Newfoundland has a far more attractive location than Alberta anyways. So why, I ask you?

I think looking at your small-business tax rates and regulations you'll see the reason. There is little incentive to start a business in Newfoundland. In Alberta, our small-business tax rate is 3% on the first $400,000 of income. People love it, people are motivated to get going. Newfoundland has 5% on the first $300,000 as of this year. It's a step in the right direction, but it's not going to make them competitive.

The general corporate rate by the way in Newfoundland is 14%, in Alberta it's 10%.... a 4% difference on the same investment is HUGE. How can they compete? (for comparison's sake, most provinces are around 14%, though business investment and especially small-business development seem to be closely related to respective rates). If your growing your economy, you need to have the lowest rates out there. Ideally, there wouldn't be corporate tax, eliminate the barriers to investment completely (and encourage Canadians to save their money).... but it won't happen anytime soon...

Newfoundland won't find it's solution in big businesses coming in and hiring workers locally. They find their solution in encouraging your average Newfie to start up their own business, employ members of their community, and contribute to both Newfoundland's and Canada's economy.

[normanchateau]

Guess what, scientists just realized that they've been attacking cancer wrong after 40 years of trying. Damn, eh? Gee, I wonder if they could be wrong about any of the above mentioned items.

"It is not unreasonable to say that all this time, the 30 or 40 years that chemotherapy and radiation [have] been around, we've been going after the wrong cells," said Alan Bernstein, president of the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, the country's main medical research funding agency.

The point of this cancer research development is that it may lead to more effective treatments. Researchers are not suggesting that cancer is a myth nor are they suggesting that cancer will go away without effective treatment.

[Saturn]

The solution is:

1) Close all coal burning plants. Replace them by solar/wind power and nuclear power.

2a) Implement mandatory emissions caps and controls on oil and gas producers similar to those that exist in Europe.

2b) Implement mandatory emissions caps and controls on all other industries.

3) Slap $1/littre tax on gasoline. Put the money collected from that tax in public transportation.

4) Slap heavy taxes on all gas guzzlers. Put the money collected into subsidies on fuel-efficient vehicles.

5) Ban the use of 2 stroke engines without cat. converters.

6) Ban the sale of appliances that draw electricity while turned off. Ban the sale of appliances that waste electricity while in use.

7) Implement regulations on all new construction (to satisfy minimum energy efficiency requirements)

This would be a good start and there is a whole lot more that can be done. And all of this can be done before 2012 and if it is done we could even meet our Kyoto targets or come pretty close anyway.

Why bother with all this complicated stuff?

8) Forget items 1-7, write a big fat cheque for $10 Billion dollars, and all the problems are solved.

It's the Liberal way,quick, easy,on target and end of the problem.

Thank goodness for this solution, now future generations can breathe easier.

Fine by me as long as the oil patch writes a $5 billion cheque for their mess.

The fear in the West has been that as China and India industrialize, they'll build factories and power stations that will boost emissions so high they will cancel reductions in the West.

So you consider yourself entitled to create 10 times more pollution than a chinese or an indian person? You are special indeed.

Also if your neighbour's dog poops at the entrance to the building, you ought to get your dog to poop 10 times as much and that will make the entrance real clean. Good thinking!

It should be embarrassing to Canadians to be singled out as missing in action. Emerging Asian nations have now overtaken North America as the foremost emitters of greenhouse gases.

This is false. Besides these emerging asian nations make up half of the world's population and North America makes up only 5% of the world's population. You should not be shocked that 3 billion people produce more greenhouse gasses than 300 million people do.

[Canuck E Stan]

Fine by me as long as the oil patch writes a $5 billion cheque for their mess.

The fear in the West has been that as China and India industrialize, they'll build factories and power stations that will boost emissions so high they will cancel reductions in the West.

So you consider yourself entitled to create 10 times more pollution than a chinese or an indian person? You are special indeed.

Also if your neighbour's dog poops at the entrance to the building, you ought to get your dog to poop 10 times as much and that will make the entrance real clean. Good thinking!

It should be embarrassing to Canadians to be singled out as missing in action. Emerging Asian nations have now overtaken North America as the foremost emitters of greenhouse gases.

This is false. Besides these emerging asian nations make up half of the world's population and North America makes up only 5% of the world's population. You should not be shocked that 3 billion people produce more greenhouse gasses than 300 million people do.

You should have read the article,you would have seen it was CAMERON SMITH of the Toronto Star that made

those statements.

So from what your saying is that it really isn't about doing something about climate change,it's about the giving money for climate change.

Canadians and BIg Oil should pay money to China and India and that would do something for the urgency you say is needed for climate change.

And it's okay for 3 billion people to produce greenhouse gases because there are more of them and giving them $$$ will be help in the urgency of reducing greenhouse gases.

Of course India and China don't belong to Kyoto but that's ok because somehow we will reduce the greenhouse gases much faster.

And of course you want your 7 points to be in effect by 2012, because we don't have much time left to do this reducing.

Maybe we should just pay our way out to reduce greenhouse gases,let's write a real big cheque for say,$100 billion, then we could eliminate greenhouse gases for Canada next year.

Yea,let's do it. We don't have time for long term solutions,this problem needs action now.

Let those in the rest of the world live with the problem of their 94% of greenhouse gases.

WE could breathe easier, because we would have completed our share of the program,so the problem won't be ours anymore.....and all it took was money.

Next election vote Liberal,cause the solution to climate change is simple, and it's right in your wallet.

[Argus]

Heather is bang on when it comes to how I feel about Rona Ambrose tarnishing Canada's reputation on the international stage:

I'm with August. It was a snivelling, adolescent rant without reason or thought, the sulky response of an immature mind who doesn't understand why the world won't give her precisely what she wants, immediately.

BTW. It'd be interesting to see her similar critiques of the years of Liberal underachievements on the environment, bcause I'm reasonably certain she has never voted Tory in her life.

[Argus]

The solution is:

1) Close all coal burning plants. Replace them by solar/wind power and nuclear power.

Great. The teenager's response. Do you now anything about wind and solar power? Anything about the cost, the output? Anything about the cost of nuclear power - which, btw, is not altogether kind for the environment either?

It would take ten years to put up one nuclear power plant. We're supposed to have emissions cut by 40% within 6 years. Care to explain how that works out?

[White Doors]

Hmm. something i remember from a geology class back in the day....

You should contact the National Academy of Science with your information. This could turn the scientific certainty about Global Warming right on it's head.

I'll get right on that when you go to any Geologic department at any University saying that the Earth's temperature and CO2 levels were at X level all throughout Geologic time and only now have been rising and are sky high.

You are right. 4 billion years ago the Earth had different levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, it fact it had no atmosphere at all. Since that was perfectly "natural", we'll do just fine in such conditions.

The current levels are not the highest ever. What's highest is the rate of change in temperatures that is occurring. The CO2 levels and temperatures have varied over time but they went up or down over thousands of years. What's happening now is that they are going up real damn quick, thanks to us digging up carbon and putting in the atmosphere. See, the key here is that if the temp. goes up slowly over 10 years, species adapt to it. If it goes up the same amount over 100 years, then there is no way to adapt - species just get wiped out. All our problems come from the fact that we and our economy won't be able to adapt fast enough without suffering huge damage. It's that simple.

How do you explain the fact that in drilling ice cores they found that the concentration of CO2 always went up after a warming trend? CO2 is not a cause it is a symptom. Man has nothing to do with the world warming up slightly. These global warming scaremongers are going to feel foolish quite soon.