Time for Muslim community to Look in the Mirror

[scribblet]

Agree with this for sure, I wish them luck.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...6b6&rfp=dta

"it is time for the Muslim community to start looking in the mirror"

The 24th annual conference of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women convened in Gatineau on Saturday to discuss the image of Islam in the media.

"I'm tired of all our complaints about the media," she said, smiling. (Pazira works for CBC's The National.) "We do not make it easy for the media to cover us."

Besides being silenced by fears regarding their portrayal, the Muslim community has also, ironically, hobbled its own image by its emphasis on careers in science leaving too few representatives in the social sciences.

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Will this Council of Muslim Women be able to change the course of history? Who knows - it's worth a shot.

[gerryhatrick]

She's naive if she thinks more people able to speak for them will make any difference. We're in an anti-Muslim period, and more eloquent speakers won't change that.

The racists are out in full colors...they've been waiting for a chance to bash all Muslims/Sikhs/Arabs and 9/11 gave them that chance.

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

[scribblet]

Because sweety, it was from the annual CANADIAN council of Muslim Women......

[gerryhatrick]

Because sweety, it was from the annual CANADIAN council of Muslim Women......

Don't "sweety" me little girl.

Does your logic then mean I can post topics about the CANADIAN tire catalogue? Use your head please.

[betsy]

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

Why doesn't it belong in a Canadian politics forum? Can you explain that?

[scribblet]

Because sweety, it was from the annual CANADIAN council of Muslim Women......

Don't "sweety" me little girl.

Does your logic then mean I can post topics about the CANADIAN tire catalogue? Use your head please.

Sure little man, try using yours sometime - sweety.

[gerryhatrick]

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

Why doesn't it belong in a Canadian politics forum? Can you explain that?

Uh, for the same reason that Canadian Tire news doesn't belong here.

I know the prospect of a Muslim bashing topic in this forum excites you betsy, but let's be honest.

[jefferiah]

She's naive if she thinks more people able to speak for them will make any difference. We're in an anti-Muslim period, and more eloquent speakers won't change that.

The racists are out in full colors...they've been waiting for a chance to bash all Muslims/Sikhs/Arabs and 9/11 gave them that chance.

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

Gerry to some degree I agree with this statement, to some degree I dont. I think you either don't understand or fail to aknowledge that alot of the disagreements with Muslims are over political issues. I could care less about whether someone is muslim or sikh. But when it comes to a Sikh wearing a kirpan to school while a girl in grade three gets kicked out for having a paring knife in her lunch kit, I think there is something ridiculous about that. Do you not see the reasoning behind this? Or does merely disagreeing with the political views of minorities make one a racist? I suppose people who think reparations for great great great grand parents who were slaves are all racist too. This could never have anything to do with the fact that some people might see it as ridiculous that people can claim that society owes them for something that happened to a very distant ancestor. You know what would you think if I sued you and your family if it was discovered tomorrow that your great great great grandpappy was Jack The Ripper and my great great great grandma was one of his victims.

[Charles Anthony]

Besides being silenced by fears regarding their portrayal, the Muslim community has also, ironically, hobbled its own image by its emphasis on careers in science leaving too few representatives in the social sciences.

I think it can be even easier: they should get a Muslim comedian to make fun of their own culture.

Comedians of other religions and cultures do that a lot.

Uh, for the same reason that Canadian Tire news doesn't belong here.

Well, that will all change once Canadian Tire starts marketing their new line of Global Warming Protection Suits and tin foil hats.

[gerryhatrick]

But when it comes to a Sikh wearing a kirpan to school while a girl in grade three gets kicked out for having a paring knife in her lunch kit, I think there is something ridiculous about that.

The highest court of our land had considered that question and ruled accordingly.

I suspect you know substantially less than the court does about it.

[Canuck E Stan]

Does your logic then mean I can post topics about the CANADIAN tire catalogue?

Why not,you post stuff about as relevant. But if you do,make sure,you know what page you quote from.

[jefferiah]

But when it comes to a Sikh wearing a kirpan to school while a girl in grade three gets kicked out for having a paring knife in her lunch kit, I think there is something ridiculous about that.

The highest court of our land had considered that question and ruled accordingly.

I suspect you know substantially less than the court does about it.

Gerry here you are walking in circles. When it comes to you making a complaint about society and its established rules you say what ever you want about "the man". But when I do it its because I am not as knowledgeable as the highest court in the land. What information does the highest court in the land have Gerry that I am not privy too? Maybe I am too dumb and uneducated Gerry to understand why a girl can be suspended from school for bringing a paring knife for her apple, and Sikh kids can wear daggers. Yes, thats it. Complete idiocy on my part Gerry. Maybe we need people like you to explain this to us. Maybe we are all racists unless we start leaving our eating utensils at home and start allowing people to bring knives to school because they are of another culture than our own, and to disagree with someone from another culture----thats pure racism...isnt it. We can only disagree with our own. If a person of another race says 2+2=5 well we all must agree.

[jefferiah]

When the highest court in the land Gerry rules in favour of your own ideas they are "infallible elite geniuses". But when you disagree with a ruling Gerry you make it known to everyone. If Harper had a high-fat breakfast tomorrow you'd be telling us Gerry.

[betsy]

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

Why doesn't it belong in a Canadian politics forum? Can you explain that?

Uh, for the same reason that Canadian Tire news doesn't belong here.

I know the prospect of a Muslim bashing topic in this forum excites you betsy, but let's be honest.

On the last statement, you're way out of line! And to be honest, your method to resort to insults and personal attacks....everytime you are unable to support your own views....is quite tiring already.

Although it is understandable for some heated arguments to get out of control and resort to personal attacks or name-calling every now and then....yours, is a CONTINUOUS effort at insults and labelling, that follows and transcends to other threads...particularly labelled to a handful of posters whom you are decidedly bent on labelling. This is not just flaming....or harrassment. This is character assasination.

I have admired Mapleleaf Forum because it stands out among the other political forums for the simple reason that it appears to be a forum for educated and mature people.

Do not take it out on us if you fail to defend your stance....nor should you be hard on yourself.

Some arguments just happen to be so logical....that to stubbornly try to refute them...only makes one feel pathetically stupid.

Resorting to juvenile behaviour is not the right way to go, however. You only succeed in bringing the level of the discussion...and this forum....down with you.

[betsy]

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

Why doesn't it belong in a Canadian politics forum? Can you explain that?

Uh, for the same reason that Canadian Tire news doesn't belong here.

I know the prospect of a Muslim bashing topic in this forum excites you betsy, but let's be honest.

Now, let's try again Gerry. That answer is not an answer at all.

Again, why doesn't this topic belong in a Canadian Politics Forum?

If you cannot explain...or even try to make an attempt at discussion over this very simple question....then, your comment is simply for the purpose of TROLLING.

In addition to your FLAMING.

[scribblet]

I guess we have 'embedded' flamers on here LOL

It will be interesting to see how far the Canadian Muslim women get with this, if any one of them has the integrity and courage of Dr. Sultan, it would be worthwhile.

[gerryhatrick]

Besides all that, does this belong in a Canadian politics forum area?

Why doesn't it belong in a Canadian politics forum? Can you explain that?

Uh, for the same reason that Canadian Tire news doesn't belong here.

I know the prospect of a Muslim bashing topic in this forum excites you betsy, but let's be honest.

Now, let's try again Gerry. That answer is not an answer at all.

Again, why doesn't this topic belong in a Canadian Politics Forum?

If you cannot explain...or even try to make an attempt at discussion over this very simple question....then, your comment is simply for the purpose of TROLLING.

In addition to your FLAMING.

It's a perfectly good answer betsy.

And to accuse me of TROLLING and FLAMING for stating that this topic is not related to federal politics is in itself TROLLING and FLAMING.

[watching&waiting]

This thread is by and of itself an issue that does involve the political views of Muslim's and the way we look at them. Politically speaking we have seen the extremist view towards the Muslim Religion and to most people, that is not the only view. It seems that this is now being understood by Muslims in general and they are now seeing that they need to correct the views and be more open to the people so they can understand.

This makes this thread more politically relavent, then the vast majority of threads that have been started by GH. I do not want this to start to be a muslim bashing thread anymore then a GH bashing thread, but GH's position is really just stealling away from this topic, the value that it has added to the debate. I for one believe that a more open view and understanding of the modern Muslim way of life is key to being to understand their political views as well.

[betsy]

And to accuse me of TROLLING and FLAMING for stating that this topic is not related to federal politics is in itself TROLLING and FLAMING.

You were FLAMING for saying this about me in this topic:

"I know the prospect of a Muslim bashing topic in this forum excites you betsy, but let's be honest."

There is absolutely no reason for you to say that about me....it is totally irrelevant of the discussion in this topic...and totally irrelevant of the question I was asking you!

All I did was ask you a question. You answered by personally attacking me!

[betsy]

Now, let's try again Gerry. That answer is not an answer at all.

Again, why doesn't this topic belong in a Canadian Politics Forum?

If you cannot explain...or even try to make an attempt at discussion over this very simple question....then, your comment is simply for the purpose of TROLLING.

In addition to your FLAMING.

It's a perfectly good answer betsy.

In other words, you can't even explain your own "answer." Just as I thought.

Oh, go and do your hair...your manicure...whatever! Just troll elsewhere!

[Greg]

This thread is in the proper forum. The original article was written by a Canadian (Janice Kennedy), published in a Canadian newspaper (Ottawa Citizen), about a Canadian topic (Muslim community in Canada), at a Canadian organization (Canadian Council of Muslim Women), etc, etc, etc.

Nor is this article an example of "Muslim bashing."

Betsy, you're in clear - there is nothing wrong with this thread.

[jbg]

The racists are out in full colors...they've been waiting for a chance to bash all Muslims/Sikhs/Arabs and 9/11 gave them that chance.

Let's see. Racism is about unreasoned prejudice. Did 911 happen? Did Muslims, as a group, publicly, forceably and unequivocally condemn 911? The answers to those questions give some very real, non-prejudicial reasons for Islam being considered not a religiion but a death cult. Muslims' response to being asked to condemn 911 is "we condemn all violence (including that by Israel).

I guess we have 'embedded' flamers on here LOL

It will be interesting to see how far the Canadian Muslim women get with this, if any one of them has the integrity and courage of Dr. Sultan, it would be worthwhile.

It would even be better if Muslim women made clear that they live in a free country and do not need to take the violence and abuse their husbands mete out with impunity in 9th Century lands.

[Charles Anthony]

Did Muslims, as a group, publicly, forceably and unequivocally condem 911? The answers to those questions give some very real, non-prejudicial reasons for Islam being considered not a religiion but a death cult.

I believe that conclusion is obnoxious bigotry.

Muslims' response to being asked to condemn 911 is "we condemn all violence (including that by Israel).

Do not blame every Muslim for the statements made by the leaders of some Muslim organizaitons.

[jbg]

Did Muslims, as a group, publicly, forceably and unequivocally condemn 911? The answers to those questions give some very real, non-prejudicial reasons for Islam being considered not a religiion but a death cult.

I believe that conclusion is obnoxious bigotry.

Muslims' response to being asked to condemn 911 is "we condemn all violence (including that by Israel).

Do not blame every Muslim for the statements made by the leaders of some Muslim organizaitons.

And what does the average Muslim have to say?

[scribblet]

And what does the average Muslim have to say?

Not a heck of a lot if they want to keep their heads