Is this how Canadians respect the military.

[Army Guy]

When i first read this article, i thought it was Halifax just being a tough town, but the more I thought about it , it was'nt about being tough, it was about a bunch of cowards being Anti-American, so much so ,that this person was willing to take a young mans life over the issue of him being American, nothing more .......I mean you don't pack a knife unless you expect to use it, be it to defend yourself or purposely stab someone with it....

But it is also about being Anti-military, those that jumped in after the stabbing did not know these sailors were american...they did know however they were military... the short haircuts gave that away...

Halifax has always touted itself as being a military city....atleast a naval city...so much for that myth...

More like a city of cowards, who like nothing more than swelling beers and a good scrap...I hope that the Navy handles this in naval tradition and gives you what you wanted, a good scrap...because sometimes cowards just need to be spanked...

I honestly hope that Cory Wright you get what is coming to you, may your cell mates name be bubba a huge man with a daily craving for cowards. In fact you should get your own blog and give us daily updates on your progress...I'm sure we could all use a good laugh...

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[Figleaf]

Well, AG, I didn't see anything in there that suggests the fight was motivated by these guys being military. It would be a very strange motive.

What I do wonder is if there was a racial element ... Halifax does have an undercurrent of anti-black prejudice among some.

[FTA Lawyer]

Are you seriously suggesting that in the booze-fueled melee of a riot outside a bar that those who were joining in the violence were doing so after having examined the haircuts of the combatants, determining that short hair = military, and deciding to express thier inner feelings of hatred for soldiers?

This was bar violence...no more no less...could've easily been a group of university students or a baseball team or circus performers...I can't see how the "military" element to this story can be seen as anything but coincidence.

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[Canadian Blue]

Actaully a few people will target military members, even in St Jean I remembered that some bars would refuse to serve any person with the military issue haircut. For some reason people will think they are tougher if they get into fights with military members. People will taunt you if your in the military, but its best to ignore such people.

[Army Guy]

FTA Lawyer:

Are you seriously suggesting that in the booze-fueled melee of a riot outside a bar that those who were joining in the violence were doing so after having examined the haircuts of the combatants, determining that short hair = military, and deciding to express thier inner feelings of hatred for soldiers?

Yes that is exactly what i'm suggesting. these bars are extremily close to the navy dockyard and are very familar with our own Navy guys, i mean come on you can't tell me a military guy is not easy to pick out of a crowd. and when your familar with thier patterns it's all that more easily done.

It's funny that passers by chose in seconds which side they were on, how many of those that were walking by or as the article suggests driving by actually jumped out and gave assistance to those military personal...in fact the article suggests none, that those Navy guys quickly were out numbered and quickly overpowered...

This is a problem with most military bases not just Halifax...it is stressed that military guys travel downtown in groups while attending drinking establishments...it's not because we need to fend off all the hugs and kisses...although some women do like a man in uniform....

This was bar violence...no more no less...could've easily been a group of university students or a baseball team or circus performers...I can't see how the "military" element to this story can be seen as anything but coincidence

I guess we will have to wait to hear from the defendants on thier motives, and perhaps i did jump the gun on the military option...but i doubt it....this is not the first time this has happened and will diffently not be the last..And it still does not excuse the act being cowardly

[cybercoma]

Army Guy kinda has a point. Up here in Fredericton we're steps away from Base Gagetown and you know who's from the military at the bars they're not as inconspicuous as you would think. Some friends here that used to bounce at the bar say the military guys sometimes caused trouble, but one call to the MPs would straighten that out.

[Charles Anthony]

they did know however they were military... the short haircuts gave that away...

Uh.... I have short hair too. The closest stereotype you could make for me might be Combat Rock but not military.

What I do wonder is if there was a racial element ... Halifax does have an undercurrent of anti-black prejudice among some.

I would tend to believe that. I know two black families who left Halifax for that reason.

even in St Jean I remembered that some bars would refuse to serve any person with the military issue haircut.

I find that sooooooo outrageously hard to believe. I have to see that to believe it rather than rely on anecdotes.

Some friends here that used to bounce at the bar say the military guys sometimes caused trouble, but one call to the MPs would straighten that out.

What do people there in Halifax or Fredericton have against the military??

I find it disturbing that the city authorities are thinking of closing the bars early as a solution. They need more security on the streets instead.

[FTA Lawyer]

It's funny that passers by chose in seconds which side they were on, how many of those that were walking by or as the article suggests driving by actually jumped out and gave assistance to those military personal...in fact the article suggests none, that those Navy guys quickly were out numbered and quickly overpowered...

I guess we will have to wait to hear from the defendants on thier motives, and perhaps i did jump the gun on the military option...but i doubt it....this is not the first time this has happened and will diffently not be the last..And it still does not excuse the act being cowardly

First of all, don't for a minute get me wrong that the actions were cowardly and disgusting...anytime a mob attacks another group with significantly lower numbers I find that outrageous.

I'm just not convinced that the actions of a drunken crowd translate into an implication that Canadians don't respect the military as the title of your topic suggests.

In a small town, any group of outsiders sticks out and is at risk of becoming the target of us vs. them aggression...I have a hard time believing that passers-by jumping into the fight were doing so to releive themselves of their pent-up anger for guys with distinctively short haircuts.

If the story develops to prove me wrong, then so be it...but for now I'll operate on the presumption that this was nothing more than drunken mob mentality rather than a targeted effort against the Navy.

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[Army Guy]

FTA Lawyer:

I'm just not convinced that the actions of a drunken crowd translate into an implication that Canadians don't respect the military as the title of your topic suggests

Your right, and i showed poor judgement in my chioce of topic titles. And for that i appoligise.

In a small town, any group of outsiders sticks out and is at risk of becoming the target of us vs. them aggression...I have a hard time believing that passers-by jumping into the fight were doing so to releive themselves of their pent-up anger for guys with distinctively short haircuts.

I can not explian why it happens , it just does, as for the most part effects the younger crowds, 17 -25 years old, and it effects most military towns...although not as much in those towns that have been to Afgan , for example Edmonton, Petawawa, these towns have suffered military deaths and the towns for the most part are very pro military...and very friendly towards all military...

But other towns are not so friendly, to the piont were Military members are advise where not to go, and to travel in groups.

[Cameron]

On a more broader note, yes Halifax is a city of cowards. We are represented by the NDP afterall.

*I know, I know...it was a cheap shot*

[gerryhatrick]

When i first read this article, i thought it was Halifax just being a tough town, but the more I thought about it , it was'nt about being tough, it was about a bunch of cowards being Anti-American, so much so ,that this person was willing to take a young mans life over the issue of him being American, nothing more .......I mean you don't pack a knife unless you expect to use it, be it to defend yourself or purposely stab someone with it....

But it is also about being Anti-military, those that jumped in after the stabbing did not know these sailors were american...they did know however they were military... the short haircuts gave that away...

Halifax has always touted itself as being a military city....atleast a naval city...so much for that myth...

More like a city of cowards, who like nothing more than swelling beers and a good scrap...I hope that the Navy handles this in naval tradition and gives you what you wanted, a good scrap...because sometimes cowards just need to be spanked...

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I don't know a lot about the incident, but I find it distasteful how you choose to condemn all Canadians for their treatment of the military, and Halifax as a "city of cowards".

No, I don't know a lot about the incident, but from reading your posts on it it's quite obvious you don't either. You have no idea if being military or American factored into the fight.

And even if you did, that would hardly mean that's how "Canadians respect the military" or that all in Halifax are cowards.

[Army Guy]

gerryhatrick :

Your right Gerry, i already said i appoligize for my poor judgement in choosing the title..

[gerryhatrick]

gerryhatrick :

Your right Gerry, i already said i appoligize for my poor judgement in choosing the title..

What about the crack at Halifax, you apoligize for that as well?

[Cameron]

gerryhatrick :

Your right Gerry, i already said i appoligize for my poor judgement in choosing the title..

What about the crack at Halifax, you apoligize for that as well?

No need. As a fellow Haligonian, we are a city of cowards....we really are and it's sad.

[gerryhatrick]

No need. As a fellow Haligonian, we are a city of cowards.

What is it that makes you say that?

[Army Guy]

Yes gerry i will fall on my sword if that is what it will take i appoligise for the whole post and if i could take it all back i would, it was written with to much emotion..

[Cameron]

No need. As a fellow Haligonian, we are a city of cowards.

What is it that makes you say that?

Well Gerry. Let me just pick apart the last federal election. The Liberals down here put in a real dog of a candidate. I mean, this guy was just someone they threw in at the last minute for kicks. He was a nice guy but unimaginative, repeated the party line whenever he was asked a question. He didn't have any motivation to work for Halifax. He didn't even really have any motivation during the election.

Now our candidate, Andrew House was an amazing person. He was young, smart, articulate, he volunteered overseas with the UN in Kosovo. He had a very good past, and was someone that this city could use in Ottawa. I mean that in a sincere way, not just because he was the CPC candidate. It would have broken the same old, same old that we have with Alexa.

Now Mr. Mackinnon (Lib.) got 7000 more votes than Andrew. Now we looked at this for awhile after the election. We weren't even upset that we lost to Alexa, but that the Liberal voters just went out and voted like robots. This guy should not have gotten the amount of votes that he did. At the Andrew camp, we were up everyday at six am working our asses off. The Liberals ran a lackluster campaign and won because people bought into the fear mongering, or something else, we don't even really know why all these people votes for him. It still boggles my mind to this day.

Not everyone in this city is a coward, but we seem to have a lot of them. It's dipper central around here.

[gerryhatrick]

Now our candidate, Andrew House was an amazing person.

"our candidate". Do you work for the CPC?

And your answer is a very poor one. You offer your opinion about the Liberal candidate, the CPC candidate, and conclude that Haligonians are cowards because they didn't vote for the CPC candidate. Absolute nonsense.

[gerryhatrick]

Yes gerry i will fall on my sword if that is what it will take i appoligise for the whole post and if i could take it all back i would, it was written with to much emotion..

I commend you for it.

And I'm sorry for harping at you, but you have often in the past been very critical of folks in a generalized fashion - i.e. Canadians as a whole - over things related to the military. I'm glad you're able to recognize when emotion is overtaking your logical abilities.

[Cameron]

Now our candidate, Andrew House was an amazing person.

"our candidate". Do you work for the CPC?

And your answer is a very poor one. You offer your opinion about the Liberal candidate, the CPC candidate, and conclude that Haligonians are cowards because they didn't vote for the CPC candidate. Absolute nonsense.

Yes I did work for his campaign when he was running.

Maybe not cowards, but poor judgement. This end of the country has a "Our family always voted for (blank), so we will always vote for them" mentality. That is not a way to live your life. You have to be judgemental and ask question during a campaign. Too many people just accepted what his or her party said and went to the ballot boxes. I was ashamed and frustrated at this city for not being objective. More would just buy into the Liberal advertising and make an assumption that Harper was a scary man and not vote for him, totally pushing aside the platform and valid points we were trying to make for Halifax.

On the east coast people are petrified of change, and that is a bad thing in some circumstances.

[geoffrey]

You folks switch parties more than we do out here.