CP: Mackay controversy flares anew

[scribblet]

They want this to be brought before a commons committee. Surely their must be something of more importance then this. I heard North Korean has the bomb, the new Clean Air Act is flawed, and genocide is happening in Sudan. Why don't our politician's start spending more time on the real issues, instead of this BS. We saw what happened in the US in regards to Clinton, I don't want to see something like that, especially over a three word sentence.

I agree, such a waste of time and money, obviously the liberals can't find anything more important to sqawk about. Very shallow on the Liberla's part indeed.

How many threads on the same subject do we need anyway ?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Harper should fire him for providing a perception of less then full honesty. Harper has built a glass house to live in and this is merely the crack of dawn on the first day of living there. From here on in it will get much worst.

[gerryhatrick]

Lying in Parliament is a small deal?

Just typical histrionics on your part in attacking the Conservatives. Now you don't think what MacKay said was such a big deal, at the same time the Liberal 'braintrust' changed their mind. You have changed your tune significantly since last Friday. You have no credibility on this issue because of statements like this...

A man who cannot handle the end of a relationship without this kind of nastiness is not fit for office.

Here's a question for you about that RB, who gives a flying #$%#?

The topic is not about me or what you believe is me changing my tune.

Charles Adler said it best just now....He pointed out that the original comment/gesture was not a big deal, that it wasn't a big insult to all women.

NOW though he says Mackay is insulting peoples intelligence by claiming it never happened.

Is Charles Adler part of that "Liberal braintrust" you refer to?

[blueblood]

I'll just pose this question, if Mackay did an outstanding job as foreign affairs minister, good enough to be accoladed in a history book, was a mover and shaker on the world stage, hell even prevented a war, overall got the job done, and done well, (as you can tell, pure speculation) but he made his potshot at his ex and tried to cover it up (which in my opinion is minor)

what would anyone rather have a minister like i described, or an utterly incompetant minister, but he is honest and a nice guy?

I'd take the lesser of two evils myself. I hope you can understand what i'm trying to get at.

If someone did an outstanding job as President, but got a blowjob and tried to cover it up, would you want someone like that as president?

(hypothetically speaking of course, Clinton may not be ioutstanding but neither is mackay)

Hmm if said president ran a booming economy, reduced unemployment, had a foreign policy the envy of the world, and not fincancially corrupt, you bet your ass I'd take that and run, covering up a beej is a small price to pay for those great things and that is what a lot of people in our society miss the boat on. Better that than someone who is utterly incompetant and wouldn't cover up a beej if he got one.

[Ricki Bobbi]

If someone did an outstanding job as President, but got a blowjob and tried to cover it up, would you want someone like that as president?

(hypothetically speaking of course, Clinton may not be ioutstanding but neither is mackay)

I supported Clonton 100% during that whole fiasco. He was a very good President. It was ridiculous partisan games the Republicans were playing with him. Just like it is ridiculous partisan games the Liberals and NDP are playing with MacKay.

Here's a question for you about that RB, who gives a flying #$%#?

The topic is not about me or what you believe is me changing my tune.

Must you always be so angry and belligerent? You are here to attack Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada. We get it Gerry. Just remember when you are so blatantly hypocritical it's tough to run away from it. Which explains the little swearing tantrum I guess...

[gerryhatrick]

Here's a question for you about that RB, who gives a flying #$%#?

The topic is not about me or what you believe is me changing my tune.

Must you always be so angry and belligerent?

Well that's odd. I was asking myself that question about you. When I say "who gives a flying #$%#" do you interpret that as anger and belligerance? Why?

You are here to attack Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada. We get it Gerry.

Listen up Ricki, I'll put it in gentle terms for you. Who cares? Who cares about your little interpretation of everything I do?

Just remember when you are so blatantly hypocritical it's tough to run away from it. Which explains the little swearing tantrum I guess...

Swearing tantrum? I didn't swear you silly boy. Somehow I knew you'd make that an issue though. Go figure.

Instead of spending all your time fixated on me, deal with the issues. You ignored the point I imparted to you from Charles Adler:

Charles Adler said it best just now....He pointed out that the original comment/gesture was not a big deal, that it wasn't a big insult to all women.

NOW though he says Mackay is insulting peoples intelligence by claiming it never happened.

Charles Adler and myself are in %100 agreement in this regard.

What is YOUR opinion Ricki? I know the official line is "Mackay didn't call her a dog", but what Mackay is not saying is he made no remark at all or gesture. Do you believe him? Is your intelligence not just a bit insulted by that, regardless of what me or the Liberals are doing or saying?

[Ricki Bobbi]

What is YOUR opinion Ricki? I know the official line is "Mackay didn't call her a dog", but what Mackay is not saying is he made no remark at all or gesture. Do you believe him? Is your intelligence not just a bit insulted by that, regardless of what me or the Liberals are doing or saying?

My opinion is you are simply here to attack Harper and the Conservatives no matter what. Forget consistency, honesty or common decency.

My intelligence is insulted by your never ending attacks on the Government.

I have said it before. Calls for MacKay to resign are ridiculous and pure partisan games. MacKay proved his integrity with the whole David Orchard affair so I don't know what everybody is so shocked about. The Liberals did far far far worse in Parliament when they were in Government. The Conservatives should just follow Chretien's many, many examples and ride it out.

My intelligence would be insulted by your indignation if it wasn't so hypocritical. You refuse to show any respect to the Government or posters on this board who dare oppose your view. When I point out your inconsistency you break yet another rule of the board. Hmmm, I thought tantrums were for 10-year olds.

[gerryhatrick]

What is YOUR opinion Ricki? I know the official line is "Mackay didn't call her a dog", but what Mackay is not saying is he made no remark at all or gesture. Do you believe him? Is your intelligence not just a bit insulted by that, regardless of what me or the Liberals are doing or saying?

My opinion is you are simply here to attack Harper and the Conservatives no matter what. Forget consistency, honesty or common decency.

My intelligence is insulted by your never ending attacks on the Government.

I think many intelligences are insulted by your never ending attacks on me. Can you say "that's old"?

When I point out your inconsistency you break yet another rule of the board.

Asking you "who gives a flying #$%&" is breaking the rules? Sigh. Ok, I'll ask greg. You may homogonize this board beyond recognition yet Ricki.

But please, let's put your animosity towards me asside for a moment Ricki. I have a question for you:

Do you believe Mackay when he says he made no remark or gesture?

[Ricki Bobbi]

When I point out your inconsistency you break yet another rule of the board.

Asking you "who gives a flying #$%&" is breaking the rules? Sigh. Ok, I'll ask greg. You may homogonize this board beyond recognition yet Ricki.

Go ahead and ask him. Have him cc me on the response...

[gerryhatrick]

Go ahead and ask him. Have him cc me on the response...

Good grief. Check the support & questions section.

And if you won't answer the question I will logically assume that you do not believe Mackay when he says he didn't make any gesture or remark.

[Ladyjen]

No wonder she dumped him! My prediction is that Harper will back McKay to the hilt. Or he will ignore it like he seems to do with everything else. There's no such thing anymore as asking anybody to resign for innapropriate remarks or even shady behaviour. Those gallant days are gone. The key word here is arrogance and governments are full of this attitude that the tax payers can just 'suck it up baby'.

[Canadian Blue]

It wasn't even really that innappropriate of a remark. It's not like he made a verbal reference to Belinda or women in general. If Mackay is doing a decent job then he should stay in. No corruption was involved, no loss of taxpayer dollars, no "hate" speech, etc.

Is anybody really surprised that politician's are dishonest, its kind of like being shocked that a lawyer would lie.

[geoffrey]

It wasn't even really that innappropriate of a remark. It's not like he made a verbal reference to Belinda or women in general. If Mackay is doing a decent job then he should stay in. No corruption was involved, no loss of taxpayer dollars, no "hate" speech, etc.

Is anybody really surprised that politician's are dishonest, its kind of like being shocked that a lawyer would lie.

If I were a dog, I'd be greatly insulted. Mackay needs to step down.

[Ricki Bobbi]

If I were a dog, I'd be greatly insulted. Mackay needs to step down.

That isn't even close to funny or witty.

Resigning is too much. An apology will suffice.

[geoffrey]

If I were a dog, I'd be greatly insulted. Mackay needs to step down.

That isn't even close to funny or witty.

Resigning is too much. An apology will suffice.

For the comment? I have little issue. If Belinda can't take the heat, I'd get out of politics. I have little sympathy for public figures when they start crying about their personal lives... Mackay or Belinda. Belinda really makes the bed she sleeps in though, her choices have reflected very poorly upon her, so I have even less sympathy.

But lying about... and continuing to lie about it? Sheesh Peter. He's a liability going into an election.

[gerryhatrick]

Resigning is too much. An apology will suffice.

Ah so you finally admit Mackay gestured and remarked as he has been accused of.

I applaud your honesty.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Ah so you finally admit Mackay gestured and remarked as he has been accused of.

I applaud your honesty.

An apology for any 'misinterpretation' of his actions. I have posted it before.

I take it you haven't asked Greg anything.

[Figleaf]

For the slow learners if it is not in the Hansard record then as faras parliament is concerned it does not exist. The speaker has already ruled. So he can not be held to a lie about something that does not exist on the official record. This is just soooo dumb.

Everyone knows what Pinocchio Mackay said. The pretense that it's all good because Hansard missed it may sell okay at the Tory Youth wine & cheeze, but Canadian voters know a weasel when they see it.

[gerryhatrick]

Ah so you finally admit Mackay gestured and remarked as he has been accused of.

I applaud your honesty.

An apology for any 'misinterpretation' of his actions. I have posted it before.

Why won't you answer my question? I asked it politely.

Do you believe him when he says he did not gesture or remark as he's been accused?

I take it you haven't asked Greg anything.

I told you above to go look at the support & questions forum. Do you know what that is?

[Ricki Bobbi]

Why won't you answer my question? I asked it politely.

You have ignored so many questions posed to you by so many posters here, why would you expect any other behaviour in return?

I told you above to go look at the support & questions forum. Do you know what that is?

So I take it you didn't send a note to Greg. Why not?

Again, MacKay should apologize. Anything more is unnecessary.

[geoffrey]

Why won't you answer my question? I asked it politely.

You have ignored so many questions posed to you by so many posters here, why would you expect any other behaviour in return?

Please you two. You both take up about 100 times the room of your real contributions with your bickering back and forth.

[Argus]

There's no such thing anymore as asking anybody to resign for innapropriate remarks or even shady behaviour. Those gallant days are gone.

I think it was some etiquet expert who urged manners who said recently that before men could treat women like ladies the women would first have to learn how to act like ladies. From all accounts Stronach is no lady.

For that matter, neither are most of the female MPs I've seen. They're loud, ignorant, abrasive, and unfreminine.

[Argus]

For the slow learners if it is not in the Hansard record then as faras parliament is concerned it does not exist. The speaker has already ruled. So he can not be held to a lie about something that does not exist on the official record. This is just soooo dumb.

Everyone knows what Pinocchio Mackay said. The pretense that it's all good because Hansard missed it may sell okay at the Tory Youth wine & cheeze, but Canadian voters know a weasel when they see it.

Actually, Canadian voters seem to be growing impatient, to put it mildly, with the waste of time and effort the Liberals are putting into this. I have yet to talk to anyone - regardless of their political affiliation - who doesn't roll their eyes and shake their heads in disgust that this stupid thing is still occupying parliament and that the Liberals still have nothing better to do with their time.

[SamStranger]

Belinda Stronach is a filthy hoore who sleeps around with married men...

In one word I would describe her as a...Dog?

[gerryhatrick]

So I take it you didn't send a note to Greg. Why not?

I want the answer in public so I know you'll abide by it. Why is a public question on the matter in the questions forum a problem for you?

And we both know why you won't answer my question. You know that Mackay made the gesture and said the things he's been accused of saying (in multiple sworn affidavits).

You know it's true, and you can't bring yourself to deny it because you know your credibility be entirely gone, similar to how Mackay's is.