Free Advice to Peter MacKay

Figleaf · October 23, 2006

Belinda is ... twisting this incident...to smear a whole party.

Gee, does that remind you of any other recent incidents?

betsy · October 23, 2006

But Betsy, in your blind rush to defame Belinda

Let's just be clear on this. I did not rush into this argument blindly...for as you can see if you check out the postings on all threads, my criticism of Belinda's pandering to sexist attitude and hypocrisy just happened only recently.

There is nothing defamatory with what I've said. I find it odd that for someone who abetted a married man's sexist attitude against women...she has the gall to smear a whole party. My accusation of her is based on what's been in the recent news.

Where did she base her accusation of the whole Tory party?

At least I had some leg to stand on. She just pulled her defamatory remark out of thin air I suppose...typical Liberal that she is.

betsy · October 23, 2006

Belinda is ... twisting this incident...to smear a whole party.

Gee, does that remind you of any other recent incidents?

C'mon, I give up. Gimme the answer!

watching&waiting · October 23, 2006

Betsy you are probably right that Belinda is only pulling this hurt and injured act at the behest of her Liberal masters. If she was really so put out by something like this, which really was nothing I would say outrageous, then she never would have made it even in her fathers company. Her lifestyle is definitely moving fast in many directions and the many partners, Which I will say that she is allowed to have as many as she likes. But with all this worldly experience and she is hurt by this implied remark of being a dog.

I am just wondering where she gets off playing hurt female, and then says she is a strong and modern woman. This is all political posturing, and it will die quite soon, as it should.

Charles Anthony · October 23, 2006

I am just wondering where she gets off playing hurt female, and then says she is a strong and modern woman. This is all political posturing, and it will die quite soon, as it should.

What is wrong with considering the possibility that she is truly hurt?

Your brief post makes me consider the opposite of your conclusion. If she has had an easy life or has always had people cater to her or her father appointed her job, she may not have the skin to deal with this insult or innuendo.

M.Dancer · October 23, 2006

I am just wondering where she gets off playing hurt female, and then says she is a strong and modern woman. This is all political posturing, and it will die quite soon, as it should.
What is wrong with considering the possibility that she is truly hurt?
Your brief post makes me consider the opposite of your conclusion. If she has had an easy life or has always had people cater to her, she may not have the skin to deal with this insult or innuendo.

Further...where does she say she's hurt.......

watching&waiting · October 23, 2006

I said she plays hurt, not that she says or is hurt.

Also she is a divorced woman, and believe me even if you are rich divorce is where you get thick skin very quickly. She has stood for party leadership before and again there she must have heard much worse. What she is playing at now, is politics and the hurt of an ex-lover pulls at the heart strings, until you realize she dropped MacKay the very evening before her defection and all the deals etc. Yes she is so fragile now isn't she?

Charles Anthony · October 23, 2006

Yes she is so fragile now isn't she?

Why not?

There is nothing that you posted which makes it reasonable to predict her feelings in this incident. People are not robots.

Only a fool will think he knows how to predict a woman's response to anything.

M.Dancer · October 23, 2006

I said she plays hurt, not that she says or is hurt.
Also she is a divorced woman, and believe me even if you are rich divorce is where you get thick skin very quickly. She has stood for party leadership before and again there she must have heard much worse. What she is playing at now, is politics and the hurt of an ex-lover pulls at the heart strings, until you realize she dropped MacKay the very evening before her defection and all the deals etc. Yes she is so fragile now isn't she?

So it is really just you who sees this...in other words you are projecting and it has little to do with her.......

watching&waiting · October 23, 2006

If she is that fragile then I am sure the voters in her riding would not want here then to represent them as she should not be made to do demading tasks if this kind of thing can hurt her so deeply. If any of the men in the House were called a dog, do you think it would draw this much attention. Equall opps for both sexes.

Figleaf · October 23, 2006

Belinda is ... twisting this incident...to smear a whole party.

Gee, does that remind you of any other recent incidents?

C'mon, I give up. Gimme the answer!

Okay, I'll play along... there are two examples I'm thinking of, but you probably won't like them.

First, Conservatives suggesting that all Liberals were guilty in Adscam.

Second, Harper twisting Iggy's views on the Qana bombing into an accusation of being anti-Israel, and then smearing the whole Liberal party with the specious allegation.

But you'd guessed these, hadn't you?

betsy · October 23, 2006

Belinda is ... twisting this incident...to smear a whole party.

Gee, does that remind you of any other recent incidents?

C'mon, I give up. Gimme the answer!

Okay, I'll play along... there are two examples I'm thinking of, but you probably won't like them.

First, Conservatives suggesting that all Liberals were guilty in Adscam.

Second, Harper twisting Iggy's views on the Qana bombing into an accusation of being anti-Israel, and then smearing the whole Liberal party with the specious allegation.

But you'd guessed these, hadn't you?

No, I never would've guessed that. So show me the exact statements that were said. If you can, please give me a link.

Wilber · October 23, 2006

Betsy, you seem to be a good example of the kind women who are being short changed by this kind of nonsense.

If Mackay and Stronach were just normal adults exchanging the odd cheap shot after a failed relationship the great majority of us would say, who cares, sort it out by yourselves. Because the temptation to gain political advantage and pursue private agendas is too great, that is not possible. We have a case where all and sundry are jumping in to support the poor defenseless female against the sexist barbarian male.

Because they believe she and other women need to be defended and should be treated to a different standard than males, one can only assume they do not really believe she is Mackay's or other mans equal. Because she falls back on the same defense, instead of saying to Layton et all " back off boys I can handle this twit myself" one must wonder if she really believes she is his equal.

scribblet · October 23, 2006

Belindy is just making hay out of it, just shows to go ya they don't have much else to carry on about. Small things amuse small minds I guess.

Shakeyhands · October 23, 2006

McKay should just apologise and then she can't make any hay.... but of course that would require him to 'man up' as they say...

Figleaf · October 23, 2006

McKay should just apologise and then she can't make any hay.... but of course that would require him to 'man up' as they say...

As someone else pointed out already, he can't aplogize now because that would mean his earlier denials were fallacious.

Politicians play stupid games with eachother all the time. Mostly the games never amount to anything unless one of them blunders badly, as Mackay has done this time by weaselling.

betsy · October 24, 2006

Betsy, you seem to be a good example of the kind women who are being short changed by this kind of nonsense.
If Mackay and Stronach were just normal adults exchanging the odd cheap shot after a failed relationship the great majority of us would say, who cares, sort it out by yourselves. Because the temptation to gain political advantage and pursue private agendas is too great, that is not possible. We have a case where all and sundry are jumping in to support the poor defenseless female against the sexist barbarian male.

Because they believe she and other women need to be defended and should be treated to a different standard than males, one can only assume they do not really believe she is Mackay's or other mans equal. Because she falls back on the same defense, instead of saying to Layton et all " back off boys I can handle this twit myself" one must wonder if she really believes she is his equal.

I know. It should've been one-on-one...just between the two of them.

Gee, Belinda had a perfect opportunity of really whacking McKay good...with her dignity intact. She should've done it like the way a classic woman would. Oh yes, I make no apologies for admitting that deviousness (if that is the right term), is part of a woman's arsenal....nor do I feel shamed as a woman for saying so.

But oh no...she must've listened to poor advice and let herself be used by her own political party...or it was just an error of judgement on her part.

It should've just been McKay bearing all the public scrutiny...but what she ended up with was landing up on the dock with Mckay.

On CPAC Sound Off last Sunday, a woman caller talked of lack of morality, and just suddenly managed to insert Stronach to the topic...criticizing her for asking an apology and that she (Stronach) is not a good role model herself. The topic was, believe it or not, "Are children getting more violent?"

This was from a woman caller!

Today, CTV newsnet flashing her walking along the hall, heralding this fiasco and she or McKay being referred to as, "THE EX-LOVER." Not the typical description befitting a prominent political position. For either one of them.

Shakeyhands · October 24, 2006

Well Stevie has waded into the fray....... and makes it worse...

if he'd just let it go, it may have died with no more damage than there already was.

The prime minister dismissed the slur allegations, citing a ruling by the Speaker that the comments were not clearly audible and not included in Hansard, the official transcript of House proceedings.

poor, poor defence.

but ok, lets put it this way then, he isn't a complete dickhead because of a technicallity. I guess that makes it better eh!

Link to Full Story

Shakeyhands · October 24, 2006

Maybe it is a conservative thing????????

Full Story...

"You ever see a picture of her back then? Whew," New York Daily News political reporter Ben Smith quoted John Spencer as saying Friday en route to a debate with Clinton in Rochester.

Is it endemic within the rightwing this disrespect of women???

Wilber · October 24, 2006

Is it endemic within the rightwing this disrespect of women???

Why is it the left don't think women are capable of handling themselves one on one in a forum? Why do they think women are less capable of dealing with an insult than a man and must be protected accordingly? I consider myself a conservative and I admire women who consider themselves the equal of any man and don't think they need men or anyone else to fight their battles for them. Unfortunately chauvinism is still a reality in this world but you can't give someone respect, man or woman, they have to earn it on their own. Not allowing them to do that by injecting your own political or moral agenda is just dishonest.

I don't need MP's wasting the peoples time and money telling me what is objectionable behavior and what should be done about it. I am quite capable of doing that myself, as is everyone else. Report what happened and leave it at that. I have little respect for those who try to make political capital out of a personal issue between two individuals.

gerryhatrick · October 24, 2006

Did anyone catch the Rick Mercer comedy bit on Peter Mackay this morning?

Gawd it was funny!

jdobbin · October 25, 2006

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/061025/...y_stronach_slur

The Speaker is going to investigate if MacKay is lying about saying what he said.

Biblio Bibuli · October 25, 2006

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/061025/...y_stronach_slur
The Speaker is going to investigate if MacKay is lying about saying what he said.

Just like Don Martin said ..... "This will not go away. And the Prime Minister may have to step in unless, miraculously, the story loses its legs over the weekend. Not bloody likely."

He IS great!

gerryhatrick · October 25, 2006

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/061025/...y_stronach_slur
The Speaker is going to investigate if MacKay is lying about saying what he said.

This about sums it up, from your link:

"The minister is not telling the truth . . . He is a coward, and he is a man without honour."

Wilber · October 26, 2006

Can anyone be happy about our so called Parliament wasting a whole week on this BS. When they get rid of the Senate they can also get rid of the Commons as far as I am concerned.