betsy Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 This whole article was taken from Melanie Phillips. "One has to wonder about a hatred of neo-conservatism that is so vitriolic it leads to the promulgation of so many falsehoods — many of them all too obvious — including the fabrication of a devilish (and fatuous) global conspiracy. Something as big and irrational as this is surely being fuelled by more than the passions unleashed by the Iraq war or hatred of President Bush, significant as those clearly are. I would suggest that it’s something to do with what lies at the very heart of neo-conservatism which, stripped to its barest essentials, is about restoring truth-telling and moral integrity to public debate. People forget, or never even knew, that neo-conservatism was never a manual for war-mongers. It started as a realisation among American left-wingers and liberals that the promise made by the ‘Great Society’, that poverty could be eradicated by throwing state money at the problem, was a lie; and similarly, that the idea that the Soviet Union could be appeased and contained was also a lie. The neo-cons realised that in both domestic and foreign affairs, a collapse of moral integrity — in favour of the politics of pretence, if you like, or lack of moral spine, or taking the path of least resistance — was leading to disaster for the west. So they advocated instead connecting to reality and reasserting truth and justice over fantasy and moral collapse. It is surely no surprise, therefore, that they should be so viciously attacked by the leading lights of a society hell bent on pursuing the politics of fantasy, appeasement and moral collapse at home and abroad. That’s why it is so dismaying to see the Tories sliding onto this bandwagon of anti-neo-conservatism, anti-Americanism and anti-Israelism while protesting all the time that they are doing no such thing. Far from Michael Gove wielding the diabolical influence over his party conjured up in Dalrymple’s review, the Cameroons have decided to surf a dangerous and repellent zeitgeist. Indeed, Peter Oborne wrote in the Daily Mail last Saturday: Conservative Central Office has confirmed to me that the latest adviser to enter David Cameron’s circle is the writer and historian William Dalrymple. This is humiliating for another Cameron confidante, the pro-American hawkish Tory MP Michael Gove. The west is under sustained attack from within, and the Tories are playing with fire." http://www.melaniephillips.com/ Quote
betsy Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 http://www.melaniephillips.com/ September 7, 2006 How Britain is turning Christianity into a crime Daily Mail, 7 September 2006 "How long will it be before Christianity becomes illegal in Britain? This is no longer the utterly absurd and offensive question that on first blush it would appear to be. An evangelical Christian campaigner, Stephen Green, was arrested and charged last weekend with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour. So what was this behaviour? Merely trying peacefully to hand out leaflets at a gay rally in Cardiff. So what was printed on those leaflets that was so threatening, abusive or insulting that it attracted the full force of the law? Why, none other than the majestic words of the 1611 King James Bible. The problem was that they were those bits of the Bible which forbid homosexuality. The leaflets also urged homosexuals to ‘turn from your sins and you will be saved’. But to the secular priests of the human rights culture, the only sin is to say that homosexuality is a sin. Admittedly, Mr Green is not everyone’s cup of tea; other Christians regard him as extreme. But our society is now so upside-down that, by doing nothing more than upholding a fundamental tenet of Christianity, he was treated like a criminal. And yet at the same time, the police are still studiously refusing to act against Islamic zealots abusing British freedom to preach hatred and incitement against the West. The Bible is the moral code that underpins our civilisation. Yet the logic of the police action against Mr Green surely leads ultimately to the inescapable conclusion that the Bible itself is ‘hate speech’ and must be banned. This bizarre state of affairs has arisen thanks to our human rights culture which automatically champions minorities against the majority. As a result, no one can say anything disobliging about a minority without being accused of prejudice or discrimination. The problem for Christianity is that it holds that homosexuality is wrong. This, however, it is no longer allowed to say because it treats a minority practice as sinful. So it can no longer uphold a central tenet of its own faith without being accused of prejudice. This dilemma is currently tearing apart the Church of England itself. But it is also turning our whole notion of justice on its head. Author Lynette Burrows received a warning from the Metropolitan Police merely for suggesting that gay people did not make ideal adoptive parents. The former leader of the Muslim Council of Britain, Sir Iqbal Sacranie, also had his collar felt by police after he said that homosexuality was harmful. Notably, in his case the matter was swiftly dropped. If there’s one thing that terrifies our PC police even more than being called homophobic, it’s being called Islamophobic — even though Islamic fundamentalism poses a real threat to the human rights of gay people. If this wasn’t all so frightening, it would be hilarious. Christians, by contrast, get very different treatment. An elderly evangelical preacher, Harry Hammond, was convicted of a public order offence after he held up a poster calling for an end to homosexuality, lesbianism and immorality. Although he had been the victim of a physical attack when a crowd poured soil and water over him, he alone was prosecuted. And Lancashire pensioners Joe and Helen Roberts were interrogated by police for 80 minutes about their ‘ homophobic’ views after they had merely asked their local council to display Christian literature alongside gay rights leaflets in civic buildings. Christianity is fast becoming the creed that dare not speak its name. It is being written out of the national script by ideologues seeking to hasten its disappearance. Yesterday, the Mayor of London Ken Livingstone said in a radio interview that Britain was ‘no longer a Christian country’ because people no longer went to church. Local authorities and government bodies are systematically bullying Christianity out of existence by refusing to fund Christian voluntary groups on the grounds that to be Christian means that they are not committed to ‘diversity’. Thus local and central government refused to replicate the vocational training provided by the Highfields Happy Hens Centre in Derbyshire for young offenders and pupils excluded from school despite its impressive record of success, simply because it was run with a clear Christian ethos. Norfolk County Council objected to the inclusion of the word ‘Christian’ in the constitution of Barnabas House in King’s Lynn, Norfolk, which houses homeless young men. And the Housing Corporation, the major funder of Romford YMCA in Essex which looks after hundreds of needy young people, objected to the fact that only Christians were board members — which meant, it said, that the YMCA was not capable of ‘diversity’, even though it was open to all faiths and none. The ‘diversity’ agenda, in other words, is a fig-leaf for an attack on Christianity. And to cap it all, we can no longer rely on our future monarch to hold the line, since Prince Charles has said that when he becomes King he will no longer be Defender of the Faith but ‘defender of faith’. But Christianity is still the official religion of this country. All its institutions, its history and its culture are suffused with it; Britain would lose its identity, its values and its cohesion without it. But minority rights are now being wielded against it like a wrecking ball. What started as a commendable desire to ban hatred of the gay minority has morphed into a hatred of the Christian majority. Behaviour which was previously considered to transgress the moral norms of the Bible has now instead become the norm — and it is biblical values that are treated as beyond the pale of acceptable behaviour. This is no accident. The sacred doctrine of human rights — which explicitly sets itself up as the religion for a godless age — is the means by which secularism is steadily attacking the Christian roots of our civilisation, on the basis that religion is inherently unenlightened, prejudiced and divisive. Christianity has been dethroned as this country’s governing creed on the basis that equality demands equal status for minority faiths and secularism. As a result, it is being marginalised as no more than a quaint cultural curiosity. It is a process before which the Church of England has long been on its knees, going with the flow of moral and cultural collapse in accordance with the doctrine of multiculturalism — and then wondering why its churches are so empty, while those of uncompromising evangelicals such as Stephen Green are packed to the rafters. As a result, Christianity is being steadily removed from the public sphere. Various councils have banned Christmas on the grounds that it is ‘too Christian’ and therefore ‘offensive’ to peoples of other faiths, and are replacing it with meaningless ‘winter festivals’. This attack on Christianity is not merely something that seems straight out of Alice In Wonderland. It is not merely a threat to freedom of speech and religious expression. It is a fundamental onslaught on the national identity and bedrock values of this country — and as such will destroy those freedoms which Christianity itself first created. " Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 It's quite true that during the election, CPC supporters went out of their way to deny that Harper is a neo-conservative and that there is a strong Christian element in the party. I guess they think these labels make them less electable (though I don't think they necessarily do), but they're still labels that pretty much define who they are. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Figleaf Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Neo conservatism is all about truth!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The Neo... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! About truth! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahem. Sorry. Truth ... of course. ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, sorry. It's just that ... I mean ... truth? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Quote
Drea Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Neo conservatism is all about truth!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The Neo... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! About truth! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahem. Sorry. Truth ... of course. ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, sorry. It's just that ... I mean ... truth? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Excellent! I pictured Lucy pulling the ball away before Charlie Brown gets to kick it.... again! Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
JerrySeinfeld Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Neo conservatism is all about truth!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The Neo... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! About truth! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahem. Sorry. Truth ... of course. ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, sorry. It's just that ... I mean ... truth? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I agree - neo conservatism is about truth and reality as opposed to image and gloss - which is exactly what the post-modernist post-christian leftists are all about . Quote
jbg Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 Neo-con has become a code word for "Jewish" or "Israel". the anti-neo-con movement is afraid to say what they're really thinking. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
M.Dancer Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 Neo-con has become a code word for "Jewish" or "Israel". the anti-neo-con movement is afraid to say what they're really thinking. No neo con is code for knee jerk solutions to complicated problems. New York lawyer is code for Jewish Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 Neo-con has become a code word for "Jewish" or "Israel". the anti-neo-con movement is afraid to say what they're really thinking. No neo con is code for knee jerk solutions to complicated problems. New York lawyer is code for Jewish Is this some attempt at humor? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
scribblet Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 Neo-con has become a code word for "Jewish" or "Israel". the anti-neo-con movement is afraid to say what they're really thinking. No neo con is code for knee jerk solutions to complicated problems. New York lawyer is code for Jewish Surely your not serious ! Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
jbg Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Neo-con has become a code word for "Jewish" or "Israel". the anti-neo-con movement is afraid to say what they're really thinking. No neo con is code for knee jerk solutions to complicated problems. New York lawyer is code for Jewish Surely your not serious ! M. Dancer's sense of humor is to make up words. He called my correcting the mis-spelling of the word labor (he spelled it "labour"), etc. as "advanced pillockism". It turned out to be a made-up wordl. He is actually very funny, and seemingly intelligent. It's hard to know when he's serious. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
M.Dancer Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Actually I have heard someone (gary Bettman) being described as a "new york lawyer" and in this sense it was code for being jewish. Advanced pillockism is a state of existence; a condition, a major pillock. If you don't know what a pillock is, a pillock is like a prat. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Neo-con has become a code word for "Jewish" or "Israel". the anti-neo-con movement is afraid to say what they're really thinking. America-centrism might think that neo-con is Jewish or Marxist but there are Canadian, Japanese, French, Italian and British neo-cons as well. Many (unless there is a thing called Japanese Jewish) are neither Jewish or Marxist. Quote
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