Gen. Hillier: Most Taliban are "moderates"

[gerryhatrick]

Heard it on the radio yesterday.

Sounds like a bit of vindication for Jack Layton. His call for negotiations with the Taliban was widely mocked by pretty much every right-of-center poster here and most print media editorials.

The "Taliban = terrorists and we must kill them all" croud won't like this.

[B. Max]

Heard it on the radio yesterday.

Sounds like a bit of vindication for Jack Layton. His call for negotiations with the Taliban was widely mocked by pretty much every right-of-center poster here and most print media editorials.

The "Taliban = terrorists and we must kill them all" croud won't like this.

Then what is old Jack Taliban complaining about.

[betsy]

Heard it on the radio yesterday.

Sounds like a bit of vindication for Jack Layton. His call for negotiations with the Taliban was widely mocked by pretty much every right-of-center poster here and most print media editorials.

The "Taliban = terrorists and we must kill them all" croud won't like this.

Let's wait for the whole context to be published.

But of course there would be moderates among the Taliban. Is that surprising?

Same as there would be moderates among the extremists! Remember that not all kidnapped hostages were beheaded....depending on what faction took them.

[jbg]

But of course there would be moderates among the Taliban. Is that surprising?

Which one? Is that also the peaceful Muslim?

[Ricki Bobbi]

Let's wait for the whole context to be published.

But of course there would be moderates among the Taliban. Is that surprising?

Same as there would be moderates among the extremists! Remember that not all kidnapped hostages were beheaded....depending on what faction took them.

Hey betsy, quit trying to be reasonable. Remember who you are responding to.

Always attacking Harper and the Conservatives, never giving them credit no matter what they do.

[betsy]

Let's wait for the whole context to be published.

But of course there would be moderates among the Taliban. Is that surprising?

Same as there would be moderates among the extremists! Remember that not all kidnapped hostages were beheaded....depending on what faction took them.

Hey betsy, quit trying to be reasonable. Remember who you are responding to.

Always attacking Harper and the Conservatives, never giving them credit no matter what they do.

I know.

Darn this Gerry....he's good at "fishing"...and I almost always end up taking the bait!

[betsy]

But of course there would be moderates among the Taliban. Is that surprising?

Which one? Is that also the peaceful Muslim?

I was only imagining that some probably got caught and swept up in its movement (like the typical insurgents in banana republics), and are now having second thoughts. The ones that are keeping a very low profile whenever the leader asks for volunteers to do a suicide run.

[killjoy]

Sounds like a bit of vindication for Jack Layton. His call for negotiations with the Taliban was widely mocked by pretty much every right-of-center poster here and most print media editorials.

The "Taliban = terrorists and we must kill them all" croud won't like this.

lol. Talk about trolling! "Duh, I 'eard it on the radio!" BTW - you spell crowd with a dubiya, eh?

It doesn't 'vindicate' Jack Layton in the least. Jack is crazy. You don't need to be a shrink to see it you can just look in the dude's eyes. He was blithering everything and anything so long as he still had everyone's attention and in the process knocked his party back another ten years. Kudos.

Having said that there is only one good reason to negotiate with the Taliban as opposed to say Iraqi insurgents or al Qaeda and that's that it is a homogeneous organization that can could actually carry out an agreement if one is reached. Al Qaeda or insurgencies can't make that guarantee. They simply don't have enough control of their underlings. Having said that I really don't hold out much hope of anything substantial coming of this. I really don't think the Taliban would agree to our terms and I don't believe they could offer terms we could agree with. We'll see.

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[Rovik]

It doesn't 'vindicate' Jack Layton in the least. Jack is crazy. You don't need to be a shrink to see it you can just look in the dude's eyes. He was blithering everything and anything so long as he still had everyone's attention and in the process knocked his party back another ten years. Kudos.

Having said that there is only one good reason to negotiate with the Taliban as opposed to say Iraqi insurgents or al Qaeda and that's that it is a homogeneous organization that can could actually carry out an agreement if one is reached. Al Qaeda or insurgencies can't make that guarantee. They simply don't have enough control of their underlings. Having said that I really don't hold out much hope of anything substantial coming of this. I really don't think the Taliban would agree to our terms and I don't believe they could offer terms we could agree with. We'll see.

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It's so funny how many Conservatives and Liberal supporters as well try to colour Jack Layton as crazy. In your case, you seem to imply that this is a fact. Of course, I could say that Stephen Harper is cold, calculating, heartless and tell you that you can see this by looking in his eyes and also he deflects all critcisms Bush-style by saying it's for the good of Canada...of course I don't know that for certain, unlike many people here who seem to know how Jack Layton's mindset is exactly

It would also be hiliarious if NATO and the Afghan govt. end up negotiating with the Taliban. Those who ridiculed Layton for even suggesting such a move, instead of given kudos to Layton would try some twisted logic to turn it around and say "well what I really meant was...."

It's also hysterical that now many right wingers are suggesting that there are indeed such a beast as a "moderate" Taliban, while not to long ago in another thread, many of these same people argued that there was no such thing as a "moderate" Taliban.

[Ricki Bobbi]

It's so funny how many Conservatives and Liberal supporters as well try to colour Jack Layton as crazy. In your case, you seem to imply that this is a fact.

It would also be hiliarious if NATO and the Afghan govt. end up negotiating with the Taliban.

It's also hysterical that now many right wingers are suggesting that there are indeed such a beast as a "moderate" Taliban, while not to long ago in another thread, many of these same people argued that there was no such thing as a "moderate" Taliban.

It's quite humourous how NDPers blowing things out of proportion and can't spell?

Why would we consider Layton crazy? Hmmm ..... because he is.

[killjoy]

It's also hysterical that now many right wingers are suggesting that there are indeed such a beast as a "moderate" Taliban, while not to long ago in another thread, many of these same people argued that there was no such thing as a "moderate" Taliban.

Only for the insane. I've been stating the same for years.

The reason it doesn't 'vindicate' Layton is that he rambled incoherently for forty subjects and tried his best to string them all together like he knew up from down. He constantly rants as though he was simply throwing a bunch of sh!t in the air hoping something would stick. That he happened, while rummaging through his lost-in-the-attic-treasure-trunk of a consciousness, to mention something that gerry "heard on the radio"...something many people have suggested in one relative form or another, (unless my reader thinks that 'talking' just means talking and there weren't a wide nebulous range of meanings that could have), is hardly evidence that he ever had a clue.

The man is clearly nuts to anyone who has met a schizophrenic on the streets and looked into their eyes while listening to them ramble. The similarities are uncanny. Wide saucer eyes…chin defiantly held upwards one moment and down so low his chin is resting on his chest the next…the constipated smile of a person who is wondering if what he just said makes sense even to him and the frozen stance of a deer in the headlights.

If he isn't mad as a hatter he should at least become aware he appears so and should maybe address it.

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[geoffrey]

I still stand behind the fact that the Taliban all need to be eliminated. Hezbollah has created much more trouble then the negotiating ever was worth over the years. Terrorists know no reason, only violence, it's ridiculous to suggest that negotiations are worthwhile.

Let the General fight his mission, but he obviously knows little of politics to suggest that dealing with terrorists can bring success. I can't think of many examples, especially in the Muslim extremist world.

[B. Max]

Maybe looking down the gun barrels of all those tanks we sent over there turned them into moderates.

[betsy]

It would also be hiliarious if NATO and the Afghan govt. end up negotiating with the Taliban. Those who ridiculed Layton for even suggesting such a move, instead of given kudos to Layton would try some twisted logic to turn it around and say "well what I really meant was...."

It's also hysterical that now many right wingers are suggesting that there are indeed such a beast as a "moderate" Taliban, while not to long ago in another thread, many of these same people argued that there was no such thing as a "moderate" Taliban.

We're all just speculating here.

Even IF indeed NATO and the Afghan gov't end up negotiating, we could still SPECULATE as to the real reason why they did.

Who knows....maybe Jack's got the gift for gab, and did a good sales pitch. For the longest time now have you notice how Jack and his MPs still spout off the same lines they've pitched during the election? They couldn't stop from selling at every turn. The NDP MPs all sound like they've all got one thing in common: they used to do Amway!

Maybe that's the skill Jack is banking on when he suggested he wants to "negotiate" with the Taliban?

[betsy]

Maybe looking down the gun barrels of all those tanks we sent over there turned them into moderates.

Some must be speculating too....

Or realizing... wait-a-minute...why don't any of the high rank leaders volunteer to do the suicide bombing?

Why is it they don't seem to be in a rush to meet the virgins?

Is something wrong with those virgins? That's why they're on sale...72 of them in one go?

And why were they still virgins? Are they ugly?

[Wilber]

It's also hysterical that now many right wingers are suggesting that there are indeed such a beast as a "moderate" Taliban, while not to long ago in another thread, many of these same people argued that there was no such thing as a "moderate" Taliban.

It doesn't matter if there is a moderate Taliban or not if they are in a minority and can't reign in the extremists.

[watching&waiting]

Now just what is a moderate Taliban person. Is he someone that only whips and beats a women publicly for being raped? Or if her veil shows some face is she then only given 10 hashes then the usual 20? I would really like to see what a moderate Taliban looks like. Because they are still ingrained by there old religion to follow the ways of a much older time. There are no grey areas in that religion and that has been the problem to begin with. None of those who still believe in the Koran as a word by word way to live their life, can ever be a moderate in anything. If we take their teaching and look at them, we are inhuman and we deserve to be treated like cattle and death to us should be seen as a good thing. Now just how do you moderate that?

I do not think we should even allow any of these types to have to wait so long for their trip to glory. We need to give them all the expressline to their heavens, asap. Only once that is done will we be able to correct the errors of that way of thinking. Sound sad and mean spirited by it is what works for today. I believe no discussion at all. The only thing we should offer them is that express ticket. The ruled like rabid dogs and that is how we should solve the problem. We could though sent Jack over there to meet with them though, as that would alos solve the problem where the village idiot of parliament is, now wouldn't it?

[sharkman]

I'm still waiting for a link of proof that this occured. I'd like to see the remarks in context for accuracy if nothing else. Third hand information is kind of unreliable.

[Rovik]

It's so funny how many Conservatives and Liberal supporters as well try to colour Jack Layton as crazy. In your case, you seem to imply that this is a fact.

It would also be hiliarious if NATO and the Afghan govt. end up negotiating with the Taliban.

It's also hysterical that now many right wingers are suggesting that there are indeed such a beast as a "moderate" Taliban, while not to long ago in another thread, many of these same people argued that there was no such thing as a "moderate" Taliban.

It's quite humourous how NDPers blowing things out of proportion and can't spell?

Why would we consider Layton crazy? Hmmm ..... because he is.

And Conservatives don't blow things out of proportion by saying that Jack Layton is crazy?!?!

And in regard to spelling, everyone makes mistakes; we are only human after all (you must be well above us simple humans if you have never make a spelling typo in your life.) It's pretty childish to invoke "your spelling is bad" ploy as part of your argument and it may colour how others view you on this forum.

[Rovik]

Only for the insane. I've been stating the same for years.

The reason it doesn't 'vindicate' Layton is that he rambled incoherently for forty subjects and tried his best to string them all together like he knew up from down. He constantly rants as though he was simply throwing a bunch of sh!t in the air hoping something would stick. That he happened, while rummaging through his lost-in-the-attic-treasure-trunk of a consciousness, to mention something that gerry "heard on the radio"...something many people have suggested in one relative form or another, (unless my reader thinks that 'talking' just means talking and there weren't a wide nebulous range of meanings that could have), is hardly evidence that he ever had a clue.

The man is clearly nuts to anyone who has met a schizophrenic on the streets and looked into their eyes while listening to them ramble. The similarities are uncanny. Wide saucer eyes…chin defiantly held upwards one moment and down so low his chin is resting on his chest the next…the constipated smile of a person who is wondering if what he just said makes sense even to him and the frozen stance of a deer in the headlights.

If he isn't mad as a hatter he should at least become aware he appears so and should maybe address it.

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And so it begins, the twisted logic...

Like yourself, there are many Conservatives who exaggerate Jack Layton's style and blow it way out of proportion. What you call "crazy," others call passionate and caring. I could call Stephen's Harper "cold and heartless," and Conservatives would call him "cunning and logical."

Let's face it, the Cons and the Libs use '"Jack Layton is crazy" as a scare tactic to try to drive people from voting NDP.

[B. Max]

Heard it on the radio yesterday.

What station was that, Air America.

[killjoy]

Probably the third or forth most ridiculous thing I've ever seen written here. The "Cons" and the "Libs" do not need a scare tactic to try and drive people from voting NDP, and even if they did I certainly don't.

Layton's walls don't quite make it to the ceiling.

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[Ricki Bobbi]

And so it begins, the twisted logic...

Like yourself, there are many Conservatives who exaggerate Jack Layton's style and blow it way out of proportion. What you call "crazy," others call passionate and caring. I could call Stephen's Harper "cold and heartless," and Conservatives would call him "cunning and logical."

Let's face it, the Cons and the Libs use '"Jack Layton is crazy" as a scare tactic to try to drive people from voting NDP.

Twisted logic? Again with the typical NDP hyperbole...

There is a difference between the Conservative and Liberal strategy in dealing with the NDP for very logical reasons.

The Liberals see the NDP as a natural enemy on their left flank. That is why Layton tried that dumbass "lend us your vote" in the last election. To Liberals that was just plain dumb, not really crazy.

Conservatives see Layton as an annoyance and a typical hypocrite, as are many silver-spoon socialists. Like when he and Olicia were making $120K between them and living in a co-op in downtown Toronto. Paying $800 a month for a 3 BDRM. Originally claimed he was paying market value. wtf? Then he fessed up and moved. Good work jack!

[gerryhatrick]

Let's wait for the whole context to be published.

But of course there would be moderates among the Taliban. Is that surprising?

Same as there would be moderates among the extremists! Remember that not all kidnapped hostages were beheaded....depending on what faction took them.

Hey betsy, quit trying to be reasonable. Remember who you are responding to.

Always attacking Harper and the Conservatives, never giving them credit no matter what they do.

So niether of you have a problem with our leadership in Afghanistan negotiating with the Taliban?

[gerryhatrick]

We're all just speculating here.

Even IF indeed NATO and the Afghan gov't end up negotiating, we could still SPECULATE as to the real reason why they did.

Read what you just wrote. You haven't got a clue what's going on betsy. You're just here to mock Muslims.