gc1765 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Listen. Instead of all this ivory tower BS lets look at the big picture 50,000 - foot view of this situation.This is just another of many examples of Muslims grandually imposing more and more of their beliefs on the rest of us and expecting us to acquiesce. It's no different than the burger king chocolate ice cream swirl which is offensive because it "resembles the arabic symbol for Allah" and was pulled from the menu. It's no different than the inflatable sex-doll named "mustafa shag" which muslims demanded be pulled from sex-shops. (Kind of odd to for Muslims to actually be AGAINST blow up males ) It's no different than the Danish cartoons. It's no different than trying to tell the leader of the Catholic Church what he can and cannot say. It's just another example of a fiercely impreialist religion imposing it's beliefs upon others around the world. This sounds familiair, kind of reminds me of another religion: Boycotting walmart because they say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" Trying to get "Intelligent Design" taught in schools Trying to keep stores closed on Sunday Refusing to sell morning after pills If your examples show that muslims are trying to impose their belief on others, then christians are doing the same. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
JerrySeinfeld Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Listen. Instead of all this ivory tower BS lets look at the big picture 50,000 - foot view of this situation. This is just another of many examples of Muslims grandually imposing more and more of their beliefs on the rest of us and expecting us to acquiesce. It's no different than the burger king chocolate ice cream swirl which is offensive because it "resembles the arabic symbol for Allah" and was pulled from the menu. It's no different than the inflatable sex-doll named "mustafa shag" which muslims demanded be pulled from sex-shops. (Kind of odd to for Muslims to actually be AGAINST blow up males ) It's no different than the Danish cartoons. It's no different than trying to tell the leader of the Catholic Church what he can and cannot say. It's just another example of a fiercely impreialist religion imposing it's beliefs upon others around the world. This sounds familiair, kind of reminds me of another religion: Boycotting walmart because they say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" Trying to get "Intelligent Design" taught in schools Trying to keep stores closed on Sunday Refusing to sell morning after pills If your examples show that muslims are trying to impose their belief on others, then christians are doing the same. You might be onto something if any of YOUR examples involved violence and death. Quote
gc1765 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 You might be onto something if any of YOUR examples involved violence and death. Refusing to allow alcohol into taxi cabs involves violence and death?? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 A taxicab is a vital public utility, not a church. How would you feel about cabbies that refused to carry people of color? There is no comparison between the two. I personally would like to see more cabbies refusing to carry people who smell like ashtrays.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 This sounds familiair, kind of reminds me of another religion:Boycotting walmart because they say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" Yes, that's every bit as bad as burying homosexuals alive. Trying to get "Intelligent Design" taught in schools Certainly worse than ordering all liberals and non-cleric teachers be fired. Trying to keep stores closed on Sunday On a par with forcing schoolgirls back into a burning building because they aren't wearing veils. Refusing to sell morning after pills Far scarier than executing teenage girls for becoming pregnant - after being raped. I can't see why you would equate the two religions as obviously Christianity is much more dangerous! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
gc1765 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 Argus, You can speak all you like about the evil aspects of Islam, and I won't refute your examples. But try to keep your arguments in the context of the debate. This thread is about cab drivers refusing to allow alcohol in their cabs. The post I replied to claimed that this is an example of muslims trying to force their beliefs on us, and gave a few more examples. The examples I provided about Christians forcing their beliefs on others is on par with the examples that were provided about Muslims forcing their beliefs on others, including not allowing alcohol in their cabs. I never said anything about Christianity being more dangerous, so don't attribute arguments to me that I never made. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
betsy Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Posted October 12, 2006 If the church accepts homosexuals as parishioners then they should also accept and perform their marriages ceremonies.It would be rather hypocritical if they didn't: "Great, thank you very much for the tithing but no, we won't marry you, you sinners!" Uh-uh. The church accepts prostitutes as parishioners. Do you expect the church to let the prostitutes do their tricks inside the church? Since they are prostitutes, do you expect the church to change its rules...and say okay, we've got prostitute parishioners, therefore we'll go along and no longer consider that a sin. Everyone can prostitute themselves. That's okay. The church opens its doors to sinners...in the hope that the sinners will forsake their sins. Not the other way around. Just because you are a homosexual does not mean you are no longer welcome to the church. But you know the doctrines and belief of the church. It is up to you to try to follow its belief.....or at least, respect it. It's just simple courtesy really. Drea, are you willing to change the rules of your house in order to accomodate a friend? Just because your friend had been helping you a lot and you've been accepting her help, you're willing to change your rules? How about if she's a drug user and she keeps on using drugs inside your house...not caring whether your children will see her. Or let's just say she keeps smoking regular cigarettes right there where your children are....inhaling second-hand smoke. She refuses to go outside to smoke....and makes all sorts of excuses why she should not smoke outside. Will you just change your rules and accept second-hand smoke in your house? Quote
GostHacked Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I know a restaurant in Rosedale...the owner may be a Muslim, he's certainly darker than I....anyway, he refuses to serve people who won't wear shoes or shirts....... The Horror! That's simply community standards. If you don't like them perhaps you would prefer a place where the people don't where clothes. Exactly.....and a non alcoholic taxi may be the drivers community standards......he if won't compremise his values for money, he won't get my tip wait wait wait what??? Compromise on values? Then being a cabbie is not for him then. Also like most restauraunts I am going to guess cabs have the same right to refuse service for any reason. Suck it up buttercup. If it was a cab company policy then I cannot bitch. And he won't get your tip cause well, you had to end up taking another cab, and gave the other guy the tip. Quote
betsy Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Posted October 12, 2006 This sounds familiair, kind of reminds me of another religion:Boycotting walmart because they say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" Trying to get "Intelligent Design" taught in schools Trying to keep stores closed on Sunday Refusing to sell morning after pills If your examples show that muslims are trying to impose their belief on others, then christians are doing the same. Well...this a free country, isn't it? If people are not happy with something, they can always boycott it. Much better than violent protest, throwing molotov cocktails, vandalising, killing and beating up people, don't you agree? Would you've preferred if irate passengers just grab that taxi cab driver and beat the hell out of him...or that Polish woman just smashing those alcohol bottles over his head? Quote
betsy Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Posted October 12, 2006 Oh darn, does this mean it's only a matter of time and there will no longer be pepperoni pizza? And only all-beef hotdogs? Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Argus' ass should have "Statistics Canada" tattooed on it from all the data he pulls out of there. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Argus,You can speak all you like about the evil aspects of Islam, and I won't refute your examples. But try to keep your arguments in the context of the debate. This thread is about cab drivers refusing to allow alcohol in their cabs. The post I replied to claimed that this is an example of muslims trying to force their beliefs on us, and gave a few more examples. The examples I provided about Christians forcing their beliefs on others is on par with the examples that were provided about Muslims forcing their beliefs on others, including not allowing alcohol in their cabs. I never said anything about Christianity being more dangerous, so don't attribute arguments to me that I never made. I think there is a difference between home-grown members of the community campaigning for changes to things on whatever grounds - and a bunch of foreigners coming in and demanding we live according to their rules despite their being immigrants and despite their being a tiny minority. I mean, talk about gall. As for taxis, they are a publicly licenced service and in every state I'm aware of their licences require that they carry any passenger from any point on the map to any point of the map within the city. Period. There are very, very few legal reasons for refusing a fare. And the fare's posessions offending your religious sensibilities are not among them. And yes, if it were extremist Christians refusing to carry passengers who had alcohol in their posession I would insist their licences be revoked immediately. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Argus' ass should have "Statistics Canada" tattooed on it from all the data he pulls out of there. You'd grab stats outa your ass too if your head wasn't taking up all the room in there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
gc1765 Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 As for taxis, they are a publicly licenced service and in every state I'm aware of their licences require that they carry any passenger from any point on the map to any point of the map within the city. Period. There are very, very few legal reasons for refusing a fare. And the fare's posessions offending your religious sensibilities are not among them.And yes, if it were extremist Christians refusing to carry passengers who had alcohol in their posession I would insist their licences be revoked immediately. I agree with this second part of your post. They should be required to carry a passenger, even if that passenger has alcohol, and if not they should not be licensed. If they dont' like it, they can find another job. The only possible excuse would be if the item was dangerous, but since alcohol isn't that dangerous, I wouldn't accept that excuse. I just think that this is very similar to the case of pharmacists refusing to sell the morning after pill for religious reasons. A lot of Christians defended those people. I'm not sure how people on this forum feel about that, but I hope you and others keep this incident (muslim cab drivers) in mind next time something similar is in the news involving another religion. I think there is a difference between home-grown members of the community campaigning for changes to things on whatever grounds - and a bunch of foreigners coming in and demanding we live according to their rules despite their being immigrants and despite their being a tiny minority. I mean, talk about gall. This part I disagree with. I don't care if the person refusing me a cab service is a "home-grown" person or an immigrant, it still does me a disservice. As an extreme example, if I get robbed, I don't care whether the family of the person robbing me has been here for generations, or whether that person is an immigrant. I also don't care if they are christian, muslim, atheist etc. I only care about the fact that I got robbed. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Well...this a free country, isn't it? If people are not happy with something, they can always boycott it.Much better than violent protest, throwing molotov cocktails, vandalising, killing and beating up people, don't you agree? Would you've preferred if irate passengers just grab that taxi cab driver and beat the hell out of him...or that Polish woman just smashing those alcohol bottles over his head? Betsy, please read my previous post to Argus (the one in the middle of page 4). I think it applies to this post as well. No-one (that I know of) is defending violent protest or vandalism. This debate is about taxi drivers refusing to carry people with alcohol, as far as I know none of these cab drivers are beating anyone up. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I heard on the radio today that the cabbies will not be able to have a "no alchohol" light. If they reject a passenger on the cue, they'll have to go to the end of the cue, costing them valuable time. Sounds almost like a fair solution. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I heard on the radio today that the cabbies will not be able to have a "no alchohol" light. If they reject a passenger on the cue, they'll have to go to the end of the cue, costing them valuable time. Sounds almost like a fair solution. I don't know much about the taxi business, so how would this work? Do you mean if there's a line-up of taxis waiting for passengers the taxi will have to go to the back of the line? Fair enough, but who's going to enforce it? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I heard on the radio today that the cabbies will not be able to have a "no alchohol" light. If they reject a passenger on the cue, they'll have to go to the end of the cue, costing them valuable time. Sounds almost like a fair solution. I don't know much about the taxi business, so how would this work? Do you mean if there's a line-up of taxis waiting for passengers the taxi will have to go to the back of the line? Fair enough, but who's going to enforce it? At airports, the cues are regulated. I suspect this is primarily a problem at airports since most cities besides New York and Toronto don't allow street hailing of cabs. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 At airports, the cues are regulated. I suspect this is primarily a problem at airports since most cities besides New York and Toronto don't allow street hailing of cabs. I didn't realize the cues were regulated, thanks for clearing that up. P.S. I've never had a problem hailing a cab on the street here in Canada, not sure what it's like in the U.S. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 At airports, the cues are regulated. I suspect this is primarily a problem at airports since most cities besides New York and Toronto don't allow street hailing of cabs. I didn't realize the cues were regulated, thanks for clearing that up. P.S. I've never had a problem hailing a cab on the street here in Canada, not sure what it's like in the U.S. Most American cities, for traffic control reasons, require cabs to be pre-called. In Westchester County, where I live, train stations are an exception to this rule, as are airports everywhere (for obvious reasons). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 And yes, if it were extremist Christians refusing to carry passengers who had alcohol in their posession I would insist their licences be revoked immediately. I agree with this second part of your post. They should be required to carry a passenger, even if that passenger has alcohol, and if not they should not be licensed. If they dont' like it, they can find another job. The only possible excuse would be if the item was dangerous, but since alcohol isn't that dangerous, I wouldn't accept that excuse. I just think that this is very similar to the case of pharmacists refusing to sell the morning after pill for religious reasons. A lot of Christians defended those people. Whether people defended them or not, they got away with it only when they were private businesses, and when that kind of thing was not part of their licences. There were such Christians who were forced to move because the states where they were practicing forbad this and they were threatened with sanctions if they persisted. I think there is a difference between home-grown members of the community campaigning for changes to things on whatever grounds - and a bunch of foreigners coming in and demanding we live according to their rules despite their being immigrants and despite their being a tiny minority. I mean, talk about gall. This part I disagree with. I don't care if the person refusing me a cab service is a "home-grown" person or an immigrant, it still does me a disservice. As an extreme example, if I get robbed, I don't care whether the family of the person robbing me has been here for generations, or whether that person is an immigrant. I also don't care if they are christian, muslim, atheist etc. I only care about the fact that I got robbed. It makes a difference to me. I think that such people should be eternally grateful we allowed them to come here, and should consider themselves on probation for many years. If they act up they should be booted. I think most Canadians are more outraged at crimes commited by newcomers because of the perceived breech of trust and betrayal involved. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I heard on the radio today that the cabbies will not be able to have a "no alchohol" light. If they reject a passenger on the cue, they'll have to go to the end of the cue, costing them valuable time. Sounds almost like a fair solution. Except that, apparently, there is a major shortage of cabs there due to no new ones having been licenced in years, and 90% of the cabs are operated by Somalians. So, in fact, there might only be a few cabs at the airport, and they could all refuse you, leaving you to phone a company and wait around. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I heard on the radio today that the cabbies will not be able to have a "no alchohol" light. If they reject a passenger on the cue, they'll have to go to the end of the cue, costing them valuable time. Sounds almost like a fair solution. I agree......no one should be allowed to cherry pick in a cue..... "I'm sorry sir I cannot take you, I am waiting for a $50. fare from a super model" Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 At airports, the cues are regulated. I suspect this is primarily a problem at airports since most cities besides New York and Toronto don't allow street hailing of cabs. I didn't realize the cues were regulated, thanks for clearing that up. P.S. I've never had a problem hailing a cab on the street here in Canada, not sure what it's like in the U.S. Most American cities, for traffic control reasons, require cabs to be pre-called. In Westchester County, where I live, train stations are an exception to this rule, as are airports everywhere (for obvious reasons). I've been to westchester...nice town. I can't imagine though they would allow common taxis there, period..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
BubberMiley Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 People who believe in same-sex marriages don't GO to church. Argus' ass should have "Statistics Canada" tattooed on it from all the data he pulls out of there. You'd grab stats outa your ass too if your head wasn't taking up all the room in there. Ah, but having my head up my ass isn't against forum rules; pulling unsubstantiated "facts" out of there is. "RESEARCH YOUR POST If you are stating a fact, be prepared to back it up with some official sources (websites, links etc)." Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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