Latest Liberal Buzz....

[betsy]

Just saw Volpe doing his press con, insinuating he's been hinted to drop out of the race.

Somebody sez on Question Period there's bad blood between Ignatieff and Volpe.

In fact, Volpe is allegedly accusing Ignatieff camp of "setting him up" in this Quebec fiasco.

Then...another scandal in the making! Someone's also looking into the Ignatieff's campaign in the Toronto area!

I guess it's time to get the popcorn. The Liberals are bringing in an interesting show for the fall. It may even chase the doldrums of winter.

[watching&waiting]

Hmmm I guess the libs have found a new way yo pick a leader. Just throw them all into it and have each say how he or she is less corrupt then the other one and just who can deflect the most inuendo. The one who hides his corrupotion the best wins

Seriously, can the libs not find someone in their midst that would be clean and willing to stay that way? It is a sad day when with all the candidates there is not one that does not have hue baggage attached. ow you can see why the people who would have had a chance to run and win have decided to take a time out. The libs are one screwed up party.

[betsy]

According to MDuffy Live today, Environmental Report is scheduled to come out sometime within this week and it is being said that it will contain reports quite devastating to the Liberals. They're talking "HRDC-type boondagle!"

[betsy]

Ray Heard, a former director for John Turner says he is not backing up anyone from the Liberal leadership candidates....that he'll just sit back with his wine and watch the parade go by.

He says the division among Liberals got a whole lot worse now.

(from MDuffy Live)

[Ricki Bobbi]

According to Bob Fife on CTV. A *source* said that the only reason Joe Volpe is staying in the race is to stick it to (i.e. f*ck over) Iggy....

tsk tsk tsk

So much for a strong and united Liberal Party of Canada.

[Remiel]

Not like the Conservatives are strangers to dirty leadership campaigns. Remember Peter MacKay and David Orchard? Regardless of whether the merger of the right was good for Canada in the long run, the fact is that MacKay flat out lied. And yet he is still a cabinet minster, no? There is a really good indicator of how much Conservatives really believe in their anti-corruption rhetoric. Not that the Liberals didn't have a great share of it too maybe, but its time we get over the crap about who is less conniving than the other. Hell, the Conservatives are taking tips from the Republicans, who as a party are dirtier bastards than all of the political parties in Canada combined.

[betsy]

Not like the Conservatives are strangers to dirty leadership campaigns. Remember Peter MacKay and David Orchard? Regardless of whether the merger of the right was good for Canada in the long run, the fact is that MacKay flat out lied. And yet he is still a cabinet minster, no? There is a really good indicator of how much Conservatives really believe in their anti-corruption rhetoric. Not that the Liberals didn't have a great share of it too maybe, but its time we get over the crap about who is less conniving than the other. Hell, the Conservatives are taking tips from the Republicans, who as a party are dirtier bastards than all of the political parties in Canada combined.

But like they say on tv.....how come the Liberals are continuously dogged by corruptions? And we're talking real sleaze-type corruptions like disappearing funds, the living dead and kindergarten shake-downs.

Even when they're at their darndest trying to do their best....they can't seem to shake it off.

[jdobbin]

But like they say on tv.....how come the Liberals are continuously dogged by corruptions? And we're talking real sleaze-type corruptions like disappearing funds, the living dead and kindergarten shake-downs.

Even when they're at their darndest trying to do their best....they can't seem to shake it off.

Every party has the sleazy moments. The Conservative campaign was a particularly sleazy affair. Didn't seem to hurt them though.

I think the only people who care are people who are political or policy wonks. Most people just assume all politicians are crooks.

Of course, many people think business people are corrupt, doctors are incompetent, nurses are killers, teacher are stupid, government employees are lazy, professional and amateur athletes are all on steroids, kids are are building bombs, babies are evil and the world is one mean nasty place that should go up in a huge mushroom cloud of pity and dispair.

Me, I'm an optimist.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Every party has the sleazy moments. The Conservative campaign was a particularly sleazy affair. Didn't seem to hurt them though.

I hadn't heard about any Conservatives signing up dead people or getting donations in excess of $5k from children.

But then again *particularly sleazy* depends on who you support...

[jdobbin]

In 2004, Harper Conservatives signed up people from single addresses and other non-people.

http://andrewcoyne.com/Archives/2004_03_07...yne_archive.php

"A list of newly recruited Conservative members in Quebec contains discrepancies, including clusters of memberships at single addresses and blocks of members in sparsely populated areas of the Gasp�.

The discrepancies in the confidential list ... are prompting fear among senior party members of the kind of vote-buying scandal that plagued the Canadian Alliance's leadership campaign in 2000 in the same region.

The list, which appears to be incomplete, includes members recruited by all three membership camps and, in some cases, features identical telephone numbers for multiple memberships."

Well publicized in the National Post.

[Ricki Bobbi]

In 2004, Harper Conservatives signed up people from single addresses and other non-people.

http://andrewcoyne.com/Archives/2004_03_07...yne_archive.php

"A list of newly recruited Conservative members in Quebec contains discrepancies, including clusters of memberships at single addresses and blocks of members in sparsely populated areas of the Gasp?.

The discrepancies in the confidential list ... are prompting fear among senior party members of the kind of vote-buying scandal that plagued the Canadian Alliance's leadership campaign in 2000 in the same region.

The list, which appears to be incomplete, includes members recruited by all three membership camps and, in some cases, features identical telephone numbers for multiple memberships."

Well publicized in the National Post.

That is sleazier than dead people *signing* up for memberships and children donating vast sums to the party? Hmmm...

[Shakeyhands]

In 2004, Harper Conservatives signed up people from single addresses and other non-people.

http://andrewcoyne.com/Archives/2004_03_07...yne_archive.php

"A list of newly recruited Conservative members in Quebec contains discrepancies, including clusters of memberships at single addresses and blocks of members in sparsely populated areas of the Gasp?.

The discrepancies in the confidential list ... are prompting fear among senior party members of the kind of vote-buying scandal that plagued the Canadian Alliance's leadership campaign in 2000 in the same region.

The list, which appears to be incomplete, includes members recruited by all three membership camps and, in some cases, features identical telephone numbers for multiple memberships."

Well publicized in the National Post.

That is sleazier than dead people *signing* up for memberships and children donating vast sums to the party? Hmmm...

I think the assesment was ' as sleazy' Its ok, no one is perfect.

[betsy]

The Conservative campaign was a particularly sleazy affair. Didn't seem to hurt them though.

That last election? What "particularly sleazy" affair?

[M.Dancer]

The Conservative campaign was a particularly sleazy affair. Didn't seem to hurt them though.

That last election? What "particularly sleazy" affair?

Their ads.......

[watching&waiting]

Thei Ads???

I hope you mean the liberal ads, as yes they were sleazy and probably were way over the top. For the most part the CPC ads were tame but yes a couple were tit for tat to the libs and NDP

[M.Dancer]

Thei Ads???

I hope you mean the liberal ads, as yes they were sleazy and probably were way over the top. For the most part the CPC ads were tame but yes a couple were tit for tat to the libs and NDP

If you don't mind smears and lies..guilt by association and bullshit...the CPC ads were fine.

The liberal ads were amatuerish and yes, over the top.

[betsy]

Thei Ads???

I hope you mean the liberal ads, as yes they were sleazy and probably were way over the top. For the most part the CPC ads were tame but yes a couple were tit for tat to the libs and NDP

If you don't mind smears and lies..guilt by association and bullshit...the CPC ads were fine.

The liberal ads were amatuerish and yes, over the top.

The Conservative ads that referred to corruption was only stating a fact. And yes, tit for tat.

But the Liberal ad using our troops in scare-mongering was not only way over the top. It was one of the all-time low. And they kept on using them in Quebec.

[MSH]

The Conservative campaign was a particularly sleazy affair. Didn't seem to hurt them though.

That last election? What "particularly sleazy" affair?

Their ads.......

Ads? The CONSERVATIVE ads?

"Soldiers. On our streets. With guns. We aren't making this up."

Uh, wasn't that kind of crap from LIBERAL ads? How could any reasonable individual say that ANY other ads, from ANY other party, could top the "sleaze quotient" of the last Liberal campaign. It made American political attack ads look polite. National Enquirer headlines were less absurd. The Liberal ad campaign fell right through the floor of bad taste established by the Kim Cambell-era PC's "Cretien's Face" ad right into the slimy pit below.

The Conservatives didn't have to resort to slease...all they had to do was play back actual quotes from Martin and his cronies. "Entitled to my entitlements" indeed. The Liberals certainly got what they were entitled to last election....a good spanking.

[jdobbin]

That last election? What "particularly sleazy" affair?

I was referring to the last Alliance leadership campaign that signed up people fictional people and numerous people from a single address in Quebec.

The PC leadership campaign also got down and dirty at the delegate level with members being signed up who were not PCs and with memberships being paid for the candidates. I won't even go into the sleazy turn of events that saw the PCs renege on not merging with the Alliance.

Want to know how sleazy that was? Many long time PCs tore up their memberships while a few others, sitting PCs in the Senate, remain PCs to this day.

[gc1765]

Uh, wasn't that kind of crap from LIBERAL ads? How could any reasonable individual say that ANY other ads, from ANY other party, could top the "sleaze quotient" of the last Liberal campaign. It made American political attack ads look polite. National Enquirer headlines were less absurd. The Liberal ad campaign fell right through the floor of bad taste established by the Kim Cambell-era PC's "Cretien's Face" ad right into the slimy pit below.

The liberal ads were bad, no doubt about that. But they weren't nearly as bad as the ad making fun of chretien. At least the liberal ads attacked conservative policy, not the way the conservatives looked. There is a lot to attack chretien for, but attacking someone's looks is in extremely bad taste.

[Ricki Bobbi]

The liberal ads were bad, no doubt about that. But they weren't nearly as bad as the ad making fun of chretien. At least the liberal ads attacked conservative policy, not the way the conservatives looked. There is a lot to attack chretien for, but attacking someone's looks is in extremely bad taste.

Uhh, it was 13 years ago and *nobody* is supporting the Chretien face ads.

The Liberal ads were from the last election.

[betsy]

Okay, latest buzz on MDuffy today: Paul Martin made a comment somewhere criticizing the war on Afghanistan....saying it was not the same war he supported.

Scott Reid was of course, reiterating and supporting Martin's comment....saying Canadians probably are wishing he's back now.

They showed a clip of Harper responding to that statement from Bucharest.

Never saw NDP Brad Lavigne really seriously angry at Scott Reid. He taunted, "More beer and popcorn, Scott?" He just furiously ranted about the hypocrisy of Martin making the statement. That if Martin felt so strongly about the way Harper is handling the war, why didn't Martin show up during the voting in Parliament and have his vote be counted. Lavigne is angry over the fact that they lost due to 4 votes from the Liberals.

[betsy]

That last election? What "particularly sleazy" affair?

I was referring to the last Alliance leadership campaign that signed up people fictional people and numerous people from a single address in Quebec.

The PC leadership campaign also got down and dirty at the delegate level with members being signed up who were not PCs and with memberships being paid for the candidates. I won't even go into the sleazy turn of events that saw the PCs renege on not merging with the Alliance.

Want to know how sleazy that was? Many long time PCs tore up their memberships while a few others, sitting PCs in the Senate, remain PCs to this day.

But there is no longer an Alliance Party. That was years ago.

They were referring about corruptions that is CONTINUOUSLY dogging the Liberals. Even now that they are trying to change their image...and promising to bring in a new leader....the corruption seems to stick like second skin!

C'mon.....it's only approx. 10 months or so from their downfall....and how many fresh corruption-related buzz emerged already since then? How come they can't even manage to stay clean for at least 1 year?

[gc1765]

The liberal ads were bad, no doubt about that. But they weren't nearly as bad as the ad making fun of chretien. At least the liberal ads attacked conservative policy, not the way the conservatives looked. There is a lot to attack chretien for, but attacking someone's looks is in extremely bad taste.

Uhh, it was 13 years ago and *nobody* is supporting the Chretien face ads.

The Liberal ads were from the last election.

Uhh, I never said it wasn't from 13 years ago. Someone said the liberal ads from last election were worse than the chretien face ads, and I disagreed. Read the post that I was quoting and you'll understand my response.

[jdobbin]

But there is no longer an Alliance Party. That was years ago.

They were referring about corruptions that is CONTINUOUSLY dogging the Liberals. Even now that they are trying to change their image...and promising to bring in a new leader....the corruption seems to stick like second skin!

C'mon.....it's only approx. 10 months or so from their downfall....and how many fresh corruption-related buzz emerged already since then? How come they can't even manage to stay clean for at least 1 year?

The Conservative leadership isn't exactly ancient history. We're talking 2 years ago.

The Alliance sleaze was well documented with splits in the party, charges of racism made by party members, party memberships being stripped. This was three years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Pankiw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Alliance