Northwest Passage

[bush_cheney2004]

It's our waterway, to state otherwise is false.

Uh-uh...it's an international passage. Sovereingty means controlling and defending it, and Canada can't/won't do that. Ironically, world opinion will weigh heavily on Ottawa, while the Americans don't give a damn about such things. Doomed by your own "values" and being loved by the world.

[Smallc]

Uh-uh...it's an international passage. Sovereingty means controlling and defending it, and Canada can't/won't do that. Ironically, world opinion will weigh heavily on Ottawa, while the Americans don't give a damn about such things. Doomed by your own "values" and being loved by the world.

We can and will defend it. Submarines, ships, aircraft, listening posts. We're not going to give up our territorial waters.

[bush_cheney2004]

We can and will defend it. Submarines, ships, aircraft, listening posts. We're not going to give up our territorial waters.

Submarines? Not a chance....the UK sold you guys diesel boat lemons.

Ships? How many icebreakers are in commission?

Aircraft? The helos are older than the pilots...fathers!

Listening Posts? Ever heard a big Maru ULCC? Good luck stopping one of those.

[Smallc]

Submarines? Not a chance....the UK sold you guys diesel boat lemons.

Ships? How many icebreakers are in commission?

Aircraft? The helos are older than the pilots...fathers!

Listening Posts? Ever heard a big Maru ULCC? Good luck stopping one of those.

Coast guard ice breakers, soon to come Navy Ice Breakers can patrol the passage, Frigates, patrol boats can patrol the edges, listening posts set up in the middle, Aurora anti submarine patrol planes, I don't see a problem.

[Smallc]

Aircraft? The helos are older than the pilots...fathers!

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The replacement for the helicopters you talk about are already underway, and thats not what they are for anyway. The S&R helos and tactical transport helos are pretty much brand new. The Chinooks are on order as well. Canada isn't asleep at the wheel anymore.

[bush_cheney2004]

Coast guard ice breakers, soon to come Navy Ice Breakers can patrol the passage, Frigates, patrol boats can patrol the edges, listening posts set up in the middle, Aurora anti submarine patrol planes, I don't see a problem.

And I don't see a credible defense.....remember the Great Turbot War?

[Smallc]

And I don't see a credible defense.....remember the Great Turbot War?

How can that not be credible. I don't know what you expect. In order for the passage o be used, it has to be clear. that also means that the subs can go there.

[bush_cheney2004]

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The replacement for the helicopters you talk about are already underway, and thats not what they are for anyway. The S&R helos and tactical transport helos are pretty much brand new. The Chinooks are on order as well. Canada isn't asleep at the wheel anymore.

Thank god for PM Harper....any longer with the Grits and there would be no waking up. Still, it will be a long wait for new kit. The Americans let Canada butt in to the production schedule for C-17s.

[Smallc]

Thank god for PM Harper....any longer with the Grits and there would be no waking up. Still, it will be a long wait for new kit. The Americans let Canada butt in to the production schedule for C-17s.

The navy helicopters have been on order for a long time already. They are brand new and we are the first buyers I think. Ther aren't available for over another year yet, but it was PM PM that got them

[bush_cheney2004]

How can that not be credible. I don't know what you expect. In order for the passage o be used, it has to be clear. that also means that the subs can go there.

What will Canada do....sink a Russian or American nuclear powered submarine inside "territorial waters"? Great idea!

Edited November 8, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

The navy helicopters have been on order for a long time already. They are brand new and we are the first buyers I think. Ther aren't available for over another year yet, but it was PM PM that got them

Right.....and before him you shelled out $500 million in contract termination fees for the biggest rotary wing procurement fiasco in history.

[Smallc]

What will Canada do....sink a Russian or American nuclear powered submarine inside "territorial waters"? Great idea!

No, we'll just ask them to leave. If they don't, you launch an official process.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

No, we'll just tell them to leave. If they don't, you launch an official process.

Correct...this has been Canada's response in the past.....mainly to issue permission after the fact to save face. Those naughty Americans!

[Smallc]

Correct...this has been Canada's response in the past.....mainly to issue permission after the fact to save face. Those naughty Americans!

I'm sure we'd allow you through our waters. I mean we help patrol eachothers coasts, it jsut would be nice if permission was asked.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm sure we'd allow you through our waters. I mean we help patrol eachothers coasts, it jsut would be nice if permission was asked.

Forgiveness is easier to get than permission. It's an international passge.

[Smallc]

Forgiveness is easier to get than permission. It's an international passge.

I agree that parts may be international, for example the part between Canada and Greenland. What I do not agree on is the part that passes through the arctic archipelago.

[Guest American Woman]

Now you are the provider of "cheap" goods. Yes, be very proud of that because it's about the only thing you CAN be proud of at this point in time.

America is quickly becoming the new "Mexico" with it's dollar dropping like a rock in comparison to ALL other world currencies. Any day now I expect the news to be reporting that Americans are sneaking over the northern border in the middle of the night to find jobs.

And yet here you are in all your smugness.

On the news the other day, some American tourists got off a cruise ship and were utterly shocked that their dollar was worth only 95 cents. They didn't know that their currency had fallen on the world currency exchange.

Don't you Americans get world news down there? Don't you have a "business" segment on your local news? Don't the local newscasts tell the populace that the dollar is spiralling into oblivion? Or do you all just pretend it isn't happening?

Actually, life goes on as usual here in spite of the falling dollar. It doesn't affect us here so people are unaware of it-- especially people on a cruise ship. I would guess they're spending their time sight seeing, having fun, and doing what people on cruise ships do-- which in my personal experience has never included reading the business section of any newspaper.

It's true that most people I've talked to aren't aware of our dollar being worth less than Canada's because it's not making headlines-- and it's not affecting their lives, so they are unaware of it.

I have to chuckle to myself at the comment regarding America becoming the "new Mexico" because the value of our dollar has dropped. You can get $1.07 US for your dollar now, so that makes us a third world nation, evidently. I have to wonder-- what, in your opinion, did that make Canada when I was getting well over $1.50 CND for the U.S. dollar? And how was your life in Canada at that time? I'm guessing not much different than it is now.

Edited November 8, 2007 by American Woman

[Guest American Woman]

No, we were talking about this on another forum I visit. American's are much too wrapped up in themselves to care about anybody else...or even eachother. You should see the movie Sicko....I just watched it. Makes me thankful I live here.

Yep. That's Americans to a T. Too wrapped up in ourselves to care about anyone, even other Americans. That's why there's no good being done by Americans in this world, and why we let our own suffer through tragedies.

Talk about ironic. You respond to alleged Americans' ignorance with nothing but outright ignorance yourself. :angry:

Edited November 8, 2007 by American Woman

[Drea]

It's true that most people I've talked to aren't aware of our dollar being worth less than Canada's because it's not making headlines-- and it's not affecting their lives, so they are unaware of it.

So even you, American Woman, a very aware American, are UNAWARE that your dollar is falling in relation to most currencies across the world, not JUST the Canadian dollar. And yet the majority of the populace ARE unaware? Who's fault is that? Your so-called news has a habit of ignoring bad news stories that make the gov't look bad.

Check out this link to compare your currency to all the world's currencies:

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I have to chuckle to myself at the comment regarding America becoming the "new Mexico" because the value of our dollar has dropped. You can get $1.07 US for your dollar now, so that makes us a third world nation, evidently. I have to wonder-- what, in your opinion, did that make Canada when I was getting well over $1.50 CND for the U.S. dollar? And how was your life in Canada at that time? I'm guessing not much different than it is now.

We are an exporting nation so a low dollar is a good thing for us. American buyers of our resources used to get at least a 30% discount right off the top so they were more than eager to buy from us.

Your dollar being so low is NOT a good thing for Canada for this reason -- American buyers, instead of a discount will be paying a premium. Bad for us. So our dollar being so high is a double edged sword for Canadians. On the one hand it's great to see all the investment in our country, on the other hand our resources are more expensive for our buyers.

The American greenback has been used as a "world" currency but that is changing very quickly. One small example... the world's highest paid fashion model has always been paid in greenbacks, she now wants to be paid in Euros. How long before oil is no longer traded in greenbacks? Not long I expect.

I admit, as a Canadian, I am relishing in this. I'm sorry, but America has been so damn smug for so many years that many of us simply can't help ourselves and revel in it. It's kinda nice to see the bully take a big hit.

Too bad it affects good people like you American Woman. You seem like a good person.

edited to add:

Because the actual topic is the Northwest Passage.... how can it not be ours? Is the water between mainland America and the Baja peninsula considered "international waters"? If our arctic archapeligo is international waters then this area should be considered such as well.

Oh, and the water between Vancouver Island and the mainland (Georgia Strait) -- is that international waters? How about the Inside Passgage? Again is that international waters? How about the water between PEI and the rest of the country? International waters?

Pffft.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Drea

[Guest American Woman]

So even you, American Woman, a very aware American, are UNAWARE that your dollar is falling in relation to most currencies across the world, not JUST the Canadian dollar. And yet the majority of the populace ARE unaware? Who's fault is that? Your so-called news has a habit of ignoring bad news stories that make the gov't look bad.

Check out this link to compare your currency to all the world's currencies:

LinkWe are an exporting nation so a low dollar is a good thing for us. American buyers of our resources used to get at least a 30% discount right off the top so they were more than eager to buy from us.

Your dollar being so low is NOT a good thing for Canada for this reason -- American buyers, instead of a discount will be paying a premium. Bad for us. So our dollar being so high is a double edged sword for Canadians. On the one hand it's great to see all the investment in our country, on the other hand our resources are more expensive for our buyers.

Where did you get the idea that I'm unaware that the U.S. dollar is falling? I realize exactly what's going on. I was just responding to your comment regarding the Americans on a cruise who weren't aware of the drop against the CND$-- pointing out that people on a cruise likely aren't spending their time reading the business section of newspapers. But I would wager the majority of Americans aren't aware of where our dollar stands because it just doesn't affect them. I guess that's a disappointment to you-- that Americans aren't fretting over the drop of the dollar-- but unless we are going abroad, it just doesn't affect us. In fact, there are good things about it here at home, just as your higher dollar is a double edged sword for you.

The American greenback has been used as a "world" currency but that is changing very quickly. One small example... the world's highest paid fashion model has always been paid in greenbacks, she now wants to be paid in Euros. How long before oil is no longer traded in greenbacks? Not long I expect.

You wouldnt be talking about Geisel, would you?

Contrary to earlier reports, supermodel Gisele Bundchen has NOT asked to be paid in euros instead of dollars, her manager told CNBC.

"Gisele, who lives in New York, needs dollars for a New York City lifestyle, not euros, Nelson said."

edited to add:

Because the actual topic is the Northwest Passage.... how can it not be ours? Is the water between mainland America and the Baja peninsula considered "international waters"? If our arctic archapeligo is international waters then this area should be considered such as well.

Oh, and the water between Vancouver Island and the mainland (Georgia Strait) -- is that international waters? How about the Inside Passgage? Again is that international waters? How about the water between PEI and the rest of the country? International waters?

Pffft.

You can Pffft all you want, but if the rest of the world doesn't see it your way, it's a problem for Canada. I'd still like to know why Canada felt the need to claim the passage in 1973. Seems to me that's a rather odd thing to do if it's obviously, indisputably Canada's. That would be sort of like us coming out and making a claim on the Mississippi River.

Edited November 8, 2007 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

Where did you get the idea that I'm unaware that the U.S. dollar is falling? I realize exactly what's going on.....

And I would suspect that many other Americans know as well, whenever they purchase gasoline. However, they aren't reminded every day that their currency is pegged against the US dollar....because their currency is the US dollar.

[Drea]

And I would suspect that many other Americans know as well, whenever they purchase gasoline. However, they aren't reminded every day that their currency is pegged against the US dollar....because their currency is the US dollar.

There are more currencies (you do know this right?) than just the Canadian and American dollars. The greenback is dropping in relation to ALL currencies -- did you not click the link? You can compare your dollar to all the other currencies and see how strong/weak it is in relation. And those of you who think the falling greenback has no effect... give your heads a shake. Everything you import now costs more, as a result your standard of living will become lower.

[bush_cheney2004]

There are more currencies (you do know this right?) than just the Canadian and American dollars. The greenback is dropping in relation to ALL currencies -- did you not click the link? You can compare your dollar to all the other currencies and see how strong/weak it is in relation. And those of you who think the falling greenback has no effect... give your heads a shake. Everything you import now costs more, as a result your standard of living will become lower.

Shake your own head....every day I hear currency valuations on satellie radio....the Canadian dollar is always quoted as ...XXX...U.S. Not Yen, or Ruble, Or Euro, or Yuan.

I guess it would become very tedious to hear or read "U.S." all my life for loonie valuation.

Edited November 8, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

There are more currencies (you do know this right?) than just the Canadian and American dollars. The greenback is dropping in relation to ALL currencies -- did you not click the link? You can compare your dollar to all the other currencies and see how strong/weak it is in relation. And those of you who think the falling greenback has no effect... give your heads a shake. Everything you import now costs more, as a result your standard of living will become lower.

Who are you talking to here? I'm perfectly aware that there are more currencies than CND and US and I'm guessing bush_cheney is just as aware as I am. And as I already stated, I'm perfectly aware of what's going on with our dollar value-wise; I don't need to click on your link and I'm guessing bush_cheney doesn't either.

Furthermore, I don't have to give my head a shake. I know if my lifestyle is being affected or not, and it's not. My standard of living, which is a very good one, isn't dependant on the cost of imports.

Again, I get the impression that you're disappointed because Americans aren't fretting over this.

Edited November 8, 2007 by American Woman

[Drea]

Shake your own head....every day I hear currency valuations on satellie radio....the Canadian dollar is always quoted as ...XXX...U.S. Not Yen, or Ruble, Or Euro, or Yuan.

I guess it would become very tedious to hear or read "U.S." all my life for loonie valuation.

Do you not understand that your currency is weighed against other currencies, not just the Loonie?

Do you understand the concept that your dollar has dropped in comparison to other currencies?

.... *he's just not gettin' it....