Canadian Political Polls

[jdobbin]

Also out this week, the Pew Global Attitudes report.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...27?hub=Politics

In Canada, favorable opinions of the U.S. have been on a steady decline since 2000, falling to 55 per cent this year. Middle Eastern opinion of the US remains overwhelmingly negative, with Turkey topping the list with just 9 per cent of interviewees citing a favorable opinion of the States.

For a more full world report:

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=256

[gc1765]

The survey by Decima Research suggests that a 69 per cent of people in the region side with the premiers of Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador on this issue, with only six per cent taking Harper's side.

I'm surprised that even the rest of Canada isn't too pleased with Harper's decision:

"Nationally, only 27 per cent of respondents leaned toward Harper's position, while 32 per cent sided with the premiers." (same link)

[jbg]

NASCAR solidifies the rural basis. Could come in handy in Saskatchewan among other places.

And the bottom line? Conservatives consolidate the Bubba vote. This has a 'construction workers for Ronald Reagan' flavor to it.

And that's bad why? Does every party have to cater to the mass media and to university professors?

I'm educated myself, but I have no problem with appeal to the masses.

[Vancouver King]

NASCAR solidifies the rural basis. Could come in handy in Saskatchewan among other places.

And the bottom line? Conservatives consolidate the Bubba vote. This has a 'construction workers for Ronald Reagan' flavor to it.

And that's bad why? Does every party have to cater to the mass media and to university professors?

I'm educated myself, but I have no problem with appeal to the masses.

Bad? Why must every comment be weighed as pro or con to your party's cause?

[geoffrey]

Didn't your parents ever tell you that it doesn't matter what other's think. The US still holds by far the largest amount of commercial and industrial power in the world, at the end of the day, people have to like the US. What do they really care? What should they?

Should all foreign policy be based around making the world feel good about you?

[Michael Bluth]

Didn't your parents ever tell you that it doesn't matter what other's think. The US still holds by far the largest amount of commercial and industrial power in the world, at the end of the day, people have to like the US. What do they really care? What should they?

Should all foreign policy be based around making the world feel good about you?

I think everybody has to deal with the US. And that's why their is irrational hatred for the US.

Merely an expression of frustration at feelings of powerlessness.

[bush_cheney2004]

Didn't your parents ever tell you that it doesn't matter what other's think. The US still holds by far the largest amount of commercial and industrial power in the world, at the end of the day, people have to like the US. What do they really care? What should they?

Should all foreign policy be based around making the world feel good about you?

No, but apparently it is important to Canadian political polls. Which is odd, because what you do is far more important than what you say, and no other nation has consistently traded for the "Devil's" money and pop culture than Canada.

[geoffrey]

No, but apparently it is important to Canadian political polls. Which is odd, because what you do is far more important than what you say, and no other nation has consistently traded for the "Devil's" money and pop culture than Canada.

Canadians have an inferiority complex. Always concerned with how the world precieves everyone, especially Canadians. That's why they poll on this sort of stuff.

One of the common objections to Afhganistan I hear is 'that it's destroying Canada's image as a peacekeeper.' What the hell does it matter? We have obligations under NATO to be there, and it's in the interests of every Western individual to not have al-Qaeda attacking us. What some bleeding hearts think of the matter is truly irrelevant in the bigger picture.

Bottom line, who the hell cares? Did the individuals involved make the right decision on whatever policy is in question? Then it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of it IMO.

[Michael Bluth]

Canadians have an inferiority complex. Always concerned with how the world precieves everyone, especially Canadians. That's why they poll on this sort of stuff.

One of the common objections to Afhganistan I hear is 'that it's destroying Canada's image as a peacekeeper.'

That hits the nail on the head.

Pieces like Talking to Americans just exposed our national inferiority complex.

Kinda like the geeky girl in high school with a huge crush on the jock who won't give her the time of day.

By mocking him she tries to make herself look better but only makes herself look bad and ends up feeling worse as a result.

[geoffrey]

That hits the nail on the head.

Pieces like Talking to Americans just exposed our national inferiority complex.

The recent survey on Global I think it was showed that Canadians are generally far more clueless.

"Who's the current Prime Minister?"

The one I saw replied "Nolan Harper," though apparently some people though Trudeau Jr. was PM and others thought Dion.

I thought that was funny. I can't imagine the BS that a Talking to Canadians show would find, between Canadians being clueless about ourselves, and being clueless about Americans.

Kinda like the geeky girl in high school with a huge crush on the jock who won't give her the time of day.

By mocking him she tries to make herself look better but only makes herself look bad and ends up feeling worse as a result.

[Vancouver King]

Didn't your parents ever tell you that it doesn't matter what other's think. The US still holds by far the largest amount of commercial and industrial power in the world, at the end of the day, people have to like the US. What do they really care? What should they?

Should all foreign policy be based around making the world feel good about you?

Survival dictates the mouse must keep a wary eye on the elephant, even if that elephant is way past it's prime - now courting catastrophe with, for example, a trillion of it's dollars held by a single Communist dictatorship.

Like the US? My first political memories were of Atlanta, circa late Eisenhower 50's, when our family - transferred to an American military base - motored along highways thick with billboards announcing such messages as "all white-staffed gas station ahead" and included my RCAF father brought up on charges for drinking out of a "blacks only" fountain. What was to like? However, true to it's materialism, new Impalas could be had for $1,999US.

Flash forward a half century to 2007. The same Republican mind set - they are not white therefore they are expendable - and the same materialism - secure oil/gasoline for every 3 car family stateside at any human cost, drives America to destroy a nation it was "liberating" while simultaneously thumbing it's nose at the almost certain reality that the planet is dying because of it's excesses.

What's to like? More to the point, what's to like in a Canadian PM that emulates this life style, right down to the Deep South, good 'ol boy icon of NASCAR?

[bush_cheney2004]

...Like the US? My first political memories were of Atlanta, circa late Eisenhower 50's, when our family - transferred to an American military base - motored along highways thick with billboards announcing such messages as "all white-staffed gas station ahead" and included my RCAF father brought up on charges for drinking out of a "blacks only" fountain. What was to like? However, true to it's materialism, new Impalas could be had for $1,999US.

Flash forward a half century to 2007. The same Republican mind set - they are not white therefore they are expendable - and the same materialism - secure oil/gasoline for every 3 car family stateside at any human cost, drives America to destroy a nation it was "liberating" while simultaneously thumbing it's nose at the almost certain reality that the planet is dying because of it's excesses.

Hmmm...seems to me that Impala sales were also brisk in Canada, and "brown" people were still on one-way trips to residential schools and forced labor. Flash forward a half century.....who dat using so much energy per capita?

More interesting still, the Impala is now manufactured in Oshawa, Ontario......Canada.

[jbg]

Survival dictates the mouse must keep a wary eye on the elephant, even if that elephant is way past it's prime - now courting catastrophe with, for example, a trillion of it's dollars held by a single Communist dictatorship.

Like the US? My first political memories were of Atlanta, circa late Eisenhower 50's, when our family - transferred to an American military base - motored along highways thick with billboards announcing such messages as "all white-staffed gas station ahead" and included my RCAF father brought up on charges for drinking out of a "blacks only" fountain. What was to like? However, true to it's materialism, new Impalas could be had for $1,999US.

Flash forward a half century to 2007. The same Republican mind set - they are not white therefore they are expendable - and the same materialism - secure oil/gasoline for every 3 car family stateside at any human cost, drives America to destroy a nation it was "liberating" while simultaneously thumbing it's nose at the almost certain reality that the planet is dying because of it's excesses.

What's to like? More to the point, what's to like in a Canadian PM that emulates this life style, right down to the Deep South, good 'ol boy icon of NASCAR?

I normally don't re-quote entire posts, but does everything bad in the world emanate from the US of A?

[bush_cheney2004]

I normally don't re-quote entire posts, but does everything bad in the world emanate from the US of A?

Yes...if one has the perspective of a "mouse".

[Michael Bluth]

However, true to it's materialism, new Impalas could be had for $1,999US.

Why was it true to it's materialism?

Would a society true to it's egalitarianism sold a different brand of car?

Only sold old cars?

Sold the cars at a different price?

wtf?

[jdobbin]

Latest Canadian poll on Afghanistan. It shows a continued fall in support for the mission.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/070717/cana...ada_afghanistan

n the Ipsos-Reid Institute poll, 23 percent of the 1,002 people surveyed July 10-12 were strongly in favor of Canada's mission in southern Afghanistan, and 27 percent were somewhat supportive.

Canadians' overall support dropped slightly from an April poll that found 52 percent in favor of the mission, according to the survey commissioned by the CanWest media group.

Support for Canada's mission in Afghanistan peaked at 57 percent in October 26, and has been dropping ever since.

[Michael Bluth]

Latest National opinion poll puts Conservatives up nine points on the Liberals. Link

Among decided Canadian voters, 37 percent say they would support the Conservative Party in an election, compared to 28 percent who would support the Liberal Party. Conservative and Liberal support is essentially unchanged from the last Environics survey in March/April 2007 and is also very close to the popular vote that each party won in the January 2006 election.

Depending on the split caused by the Greens the Conservatives could win a majority with those numbers.

The Liberals won a majority in 1997 with less than 38.5% of the vote and the Greens getting less than 1% of the vote Nationally.

Combine those facts with Harper's proven abilities as a campaigner and Dion's ongoing weakness as a leader and say hello to your majority Prime Minister Harper.

[jdobbin]

Depending on the split caused by the Greens the Conservatives could win a majority with those numbers.

The Liberals won a majority in 1997 with less than 38.5% of the vote and the Greens getting less than 1% of the vote Nationally.

Combine those facts with Harper's proven abilities as a campaigner and Dion's ongoing weakness as a leader and say hello to your majority Prime Minister Harper.

This is what the pollster said about where the Tories are:

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.ht...8bc7b45&k=68783

But the prime minister has never managed to get the Tories consistently up into the low-40s, where they need to be to be sure of winning a majority, and "the longer you are in power, the longer you have to do something people don't like," the pollster said. "Everything is almost exactly back to where it was before the Liberal leadership convention" in December.

Leebosh said these results are as good an indication as any that there won't be a federal election this fall.

[Michael Bluth]

Yup, that is what the pollster said.

Doesn't dispute any of what I said or how close the Conservatives are to a majority.

The Liberals snuck out a four seat majority in 1997.

Nice attempt at trying to mislead with the quote about being "sure of winning a majority".

So I guess you agree the the Conservatives are within the margin of error of winning a majority?

[jdobbin]

Yup, that is what the pollster said.

Doesn't dispute any of what I said or how close the Conservatives are to a majority.

The Liberals snuck out a four seat majority in 1997.

Nice attempt at trying to mislead with the quote about being "sure of winning a majority".

So I guess you agree the the Conservatives are within the margin of error of winning a majority?

We have gone over this territory before. There isn't a pollster out there that doesn't think the Tories need more than 40% to consider a majority. Still too much of their support is concentrated in seats they have already won.

[Michael Bluth]

We have gone over this territory before. There isn't a pollster out there that doesn't think the Tories need more than 40% to consider a majority. Still too much of their support is concentrated in seats they have already won.

Hmmm, evidence? support? proof?

You have conveniently ignored the questions about the role the Greens splitting the left of centre vote can potentially play.

Have any of these pollsters specifically brought that into there model?

Just one, that's all I'm interested in seeing....

[jdobbin]

Hmmm, evidence? support? proof?

You have conveniently ignored the questions about the role the Greens splitting the left of centre vote can potentially play.

Have any of these pollsters specifically brought that into there model?

Just one, that's all I'm interested in seeing....

Your evidence is all in this thread. All of the polls and the pollsters reactions are there. Decima, SES, Strategic and Leger have all said that over 40% is what the Tories need to be at. As I said, we have gone over this territory before.

I don't believe that the Greens will split the vote. Several pollsters have commented on the fact that people park their votes with other parties between elections. That's in this thread here too. You certainly don't have to look far for the information.

[Michael Bluth]

Your evidence is all in this thread. All of the polls and the pollsters reactions are there. Decima, SES, Strategic and Leger have all said that over 40% is what the Tories need to be at. As I said, we have gone over this territory before.

I don't believe that the Greens will split the vote. Several pollsters have commented on the fact that people park their votes with other parties between elections. That's in this thread here too. You certainly don't have to look far for the information.

Really? All of those posters have specifically mentioned the role of the Greens and still say that the CPC needs more than 40% to win a majority?

Just provide a post number. Or you can keep tip toeing around the issue.

[jdobbin]

Really? All of those posters have specifically mentioned the role of the Greens and still say that the CPC needs more than 40% to win a majority?

Just provide a post number. Or you can keep tip toeing around the issue.

SES's pollster said it in this thread back in March.

Here is more detail on that.

http://nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/30

Polling shows the Greens slowly picking up support but even as they hover in the double digits, it has yet to be seen as to whether they can make the breakthrough to elect federal members of parliament. Remember, the former Progressive Conservatives were only able to yield two seats nationally while their support was in the high teens.

The research shows that the Greens are increasingly being considered by Canadians as a political option but the question remains…are Canadians “going Green” or is the Green Party a “safe temporary parking space” for Canadians? My sense is that one should exercise caution in the interpretation of the horserace polls because of the Green “wildcard” effect.

[Michael Bluth]

That's not on the topic of Greens peeling off votes from the left.

Credit for trying to be honest though.