PocketRocket Posted September 2, 2006 Report Posted September 2, 2006 I was worried about Harper before the election, but since getting in he has done no worse than anyone else, and better than many. GERRY seems to have a personal grudge and simply refuses to acknowledge anything good might come out of Harper. Nonsense, I criticize him deservedly. This is the ONLY topic that I've been attacking his character on, and truth be told it was just a reaction to all of the ad hom posts I'd been seeing from the right. The whiners are most guilty of what they complain of. Interesting. But criticism can take many forms, and can usually be done without personal insults. In fact thay are generally more effective WITHOUT insults. In case you haven't noticed, Harper is engaged in total and complete message control. All is keyed towards the next election...interaction with this government is scant and of small substance.They're following the advice of Frank Luntz on things like global warming...which is to say they're stalling on the issue. That is unforgivable. Well thanks goodness we have the CBC to show the ugly side of Harper, and you to help them along. This is the ONLY topic that I've been attacking his character on http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=5901 Here you called him a "transparent manipulator". Not an attack on his character??? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=6019 "Out of touch with reality". Not a character attack, but damn close to it. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=6158 Here you mention his "idiotic comments". Clearly implying that you think he is an idiot. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=6247 Here he was "complicit" in the creation of an oil-slick. Hard to figure out how when he was thousands of miles away and had no communication with the culprits responsible. But I guess he was "complicit" in the same way that a war protester is "resposible" for the deaths of troops. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=6197 In this thread you imply that he is ignorant, and in another post in the same thread you call him an imbecile. Keep in mind that this was all the result of a very quick search in which I looked only at threads you started, and never scanned beyond the first page of each thread, many of which had several pages. Suffice to say it is hardly a complete look at your anti-Harper postings, simply a smattering. Personal grudge you say? No, nothing near it. In light of what I have provided above, it seems pretty personal to me. Harper ain't my favorite political character by far, but I can manage to make my feelings about him known without the schoolyard insults. Quote I need another coffee
kimmy Posted September 2, 2006 Report Posted September 2, 2006 The CBC itself agreed that the complaint was in part justified, and apologized on-air. Did they apologize, or just express "regret" because "it appeared as if the Prime Minister was responding to that particular protester", which wasn't even what all the outrage was about!! It's pathetic all around for anyone pretending there was something biased or unfair to Steven in that piece, and pretending that the CBC apologized for what all the Conservative shills were so shrill about is even more pathetic. They acknowledged that they made a mistake, and expressed "regret". The difference between an apology and "expressing regret" is just semantics. It still amounts to an acknowledgement of the legitimacy of the complaint. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
gerryhatrick Posted September 2, 2006 Author Report Posted September 2, 2006 The media are no ones' representatives. Their job is to sell soap, so to speak. That is a little simplistic. Journalists are professionals and seek out relavent stories without consideration for commercial concerns. What's really sad is how Harper has turned all of his supporters into media bashers. The media is an INTEGRAL part of a democracy. Without it, democracy suffers badly. Your assumption that the opposition parties will keep enough of an eye on the government thereby supplanting a need for what the media supplies is naive. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
gerryhatrick Posted September 2, 2006 Author Report Posted September 2, 2006 Interesting. But criticism can take many forms, and can usually be done without personal insults.In fact thay are generally more effective WITHOUT insults. "Wimp" is not an insult, it's a determination that I've supported with an explanation. Is it an insult to call a wife-beater a "coward"? No. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 2, 2006 Report Posted September 2, 2006 Call it what you will. But for other posters such language would be considered breaking the rules and would get the posters warnings and/or bans. Could you tell us why you deserve such special treatment by the moderator? "Wimp" is not an insult, it's a determination that I've supported with an explanation. Is it an insult to call a wife-beater a "coward"? No. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted September 2, 2006 Report Posted September 2, 2006 The media are no ones' representatives. Their job is to sell soap, so to speak. That is a little simplistic. Journalists are professionals and seek out relavent stories without consideration for commercial concerns. Don't be naive. Journalists are either assigned stories by editors who ARE concered with commercial aspects of their operation, or senior journalists seek out stories which will be sensational and thus elevate their position within the industry - and gain them better renumeration. In either event, the real objective is money, not truth. What's really sad is how Harper has turned all of his supporters into media bashers. I have been a media basher for a very long time, long before Harper was any kind of name. The media is an INTEGRAL part of a democracy. Without it, democracy suffers badly. There are elements of truth in this. However, when the media has become as wholesale biased as the Canadian press gallery is, that in itself causes democracy to suffer. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
betsy Posted September 2, 2006 Report Posted September 2, 2006 He hides from other posters like a little boy. He is a wimp. And in his shill voice engages in cowardly attacks on Harper over nothing. That blatant misrepresentation thing by Gerry is a joke!! I have never seen such a baseless and contrived criticizm before. It is bizarre. TOUGHEN UP GERRY, FOR GODSAKE. FACE THE REALITY, THE CONSERVATIVES ARE THE PEOPLES REPRESENTATIVES....SO OF COURSE YOU WILL WANT TO MAKE STUPID ACCUSATIONS. INSTEAD OF CRYING THAT THE CONSERVATIVES DON'T LOVE YOU JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THEY'RE RIGHT. Yes, I know the lad is not reading this, but perhaps if a Liberal reads it he or she can pass it on to Gerry. Quote
jbg Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Keep in mind that this was all the result of a very quick search in which I looked only at threads you started, and never scanned beyond the first page of each thread, many of which had several pages. Suffice to say it is hardly a complete look at your anti-Harper postings, simply a smattering. I get the idea that gerryhatrick doesn't like Harper much. Unless I'm reading him wrong. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I'm not really sure, but I think you are correct. I get the idea that gerryhatrick doesn't like Harper much. Unless I'm reading him wrong. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
geoffrey Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 [Who alerted the public to the sponsorship scandal? The media IS your representative, whether you want it or not. They're working to protect your interests. Just because your political leader has decided to start a PR war with them don't be so foolish to pretend the media has no value in a democracy. Umm, Sheila Fraser alerted us to the Sponsorship Scandal. The media attended a press confernece. Congrats journalists, you showed up for work and relayed quotes. A grade-three student could do that. The days of investigative political journalism are far gone. They listen to press conferences then enter spin sessions with their editors to make the news look scandalous and commercial worthy. When's the last time a journalist uncovered something tasty... and it ended up being true. Dan Rather?? Oh wait... just made it up. Reuters with the bomb photos... oh wait, just made it up. That's right, there is no such thing as journalistic integrity and they are not professionals. They want their face on the news, the producers want to sell spots. It doesn't go past that. Your naive if you think the journalists you see on TV care about news. There might be a few idealists in the industry, but they are suppressed to the ranks of internet blogs and underground news. The rest, are whores to their producers who are simply whores to the companies that buy the spots. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
gerryhatrick Posted September 3, 2006 Author Report Posted September 3, 2006 I get the idea that gerryhatrick doesn't like Harper much. Unless I'm reading him wrong. You are correct. I don't like people who attempt to downplay important issues like global warming and who shut out the press with a cynical and crybabyish claim that the press is his enemy. Not too hard to figure out. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
gerryhatrick Posted September 3, 2006 Author Report Posted September 3, 2006 Umm, Sheila Fraser alerted us to the Sponsorship Scandal. The media attended a press confernece.Congrats journalists, you showed up for work and relayed quotes. A grade-three student could do that. More ignorance used to bash the media. The Globe And Mail was responsible for bringing it to our attention. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/ Start reading at "By the early spring of 2002...." Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Argus Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I get the idea that gerryhatrick doesn't like Harper much. Unless I'm reading him wrong. You are correct. I don't like people who attempt to downplay important issues like global warming and who shut out the press with a cynical and crybabyish claim that the press is his enemy. But the press IS his enemy. And they have made that quite clear. In any event, Harper has been a paragon of openness and honesty compared to Chretien, who rarely, if ever held a press conference of any kind, and when he did rarely took questions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 But the press IS his enemy. And they have made that quite clear. In any event, Harper has been a paragon of openness and honesty compared to Chretien, who rarely, if ever held a press conference of any kind, and when he did rarely took questions. He did famously with "proof is a proof". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gerryhatrick Posted September 6, 2006 Author Report Posted September 6, 2006 I get the idea that gerryhatrick doesn't like Harper much. Unless I'm reading him wrong. You are correct. I don't like people who attempt to downplay important issues like global warming and who shut out the press with a cynical and crybabyish claim that the press is his enemy. But the press IS his enemy. And they have made that quite clear. Uh huh. And Bush orchastrated 9/11 and Global Warming is a socialist plot. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
jbg Posted September 7, 2006 Report Posted September 7, 2006 Uh huh. And Bush orchastrated 9/11 and Global Warming is a socialist plot. I spent Labor (not Labour) Day supervising removal of a major part of a tree that almost stove in our kitchen window in a storm. Obviously, Bush, by not signing Kyoto, and Harper, for indicating an interest in withdrawal, caused the storm. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gerryhatrick Posted September 9, 2006 Author Report Posted September 9, 2006 Umm, Sheila Fraser alerted us to the Sponsorship Scandal. The media attended a press confernece. Congrats journalists, you showed up for work and relayed quotes. A grade-three student could do that. More ignorance used to bash the media. The Globe And Mail was responsible for bringing it to our attention. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/ Start reading at "By the early spring of 2002...." Geoffrey, you catch this I presume? Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 9, 2006 Report Posted September 9, 2006 Geoffrey, you catch this I presume? And it would have remained a minor story hidden in the back pages if Fraser hadn't launched a full investigation. Yet again the *proof* provided is misleading and irrelevant.... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 9, 2006 Author Report Posted September 9, 2006 Geoffrey, you catch this I presume? Yet again the *proof* provided is misleading and irrelevant.... How is the link "irrelevant"? It supports exactly what I posted. Why do you bother? Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 9, 2006 Report Posted September 9, 2006 How is the link "irrelevant"? It supports exactly what I posted. Why do you bother? You said The Globe and Mail was responsible for bringing it to our attention. That wasn't the case and isn't the truth. I bother because you bother... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 9, 2006 Author Report Posted September 9, 2006 How is the link "irrelevant"? It supports exactly what I posted. Why do you bother? You said The Globe and Mail was responsible for bringing it to our attention. That wasn't the case and isn't the truth. I bother because you bother... What funny games you like to play RB. You've stated elsewhere that your goal is just to get me "off track", which is really nothing more than baiting. But I'll play. From the article: By the early spring of 2002, Chrétien was forced to address the issue. The Globe and Mail – under the Access to Information Act – tried to find out why the government paid $550,000 to advertising firm Groupaction Marketing for a report that could not be found. No one at Public Works or the company could explain it.Auditor general condemns 'scandalous' program Chrétien asked federal Auditor General Sheila Fraser to see what she could find out. She learned enough to launch a full investigation – and to ask the RCMP to get involved as well. That sure appears to lay the credit at the door of the Globe and Mail for bringing the sponsorship scandal to light. Is the article wrong? Go ahead, answer with "no it doesn't"! Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 9, 2006 Report Posted September 9, 2006 That sure appears to lay the credit at the door of the Globe and Mail for bringing the sponsorship scandal to light. Is the article wrong? Go ahead, answer with "no it doesn't"! Said it once, but I'll repeat it for you. And it would have remained a minor story hidden in the back pages if Fraser hadn't launched a full investigation.Yet again the *proof* provided is misleading and irrelevant.... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Michael Hardner Posted September 9, 2006 Report Posted September 9, 2006 Call it what you will. But for other posters such language would be considered breaking the rules and would get the posters warnings and/or bans. Could you tell us why you deserve such special treatment by the moderator? Ricki - MLW is the most objective site when it comes to moderating. And... I hd no idea Borden's government was so contentious ! Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
gerryhatrick Posted September 9, 2006 Author Report Posted September 9, 2006 That sure appears to lay the credit at the door of the Globe and Mail for bringing the sponsorship scandal to light. Is the article wrong? Go ahead, answer with "no it doesn't"! Said it once, but I'll repeat it for you. And it would have remained a minor story hidden in the back pages if Fraser hadn't launched a full investigation.Yet again the *proof* provided is misleading and irrelevant.... Your not debating in good faith RB. Should I be surprised? The question that you injected yourself into was brought up by geoffrey. He stated "Umm, Sheila Fraser alerted us to the Sponsorship Scandal." In fact, the story was first persued by the Globe and Mail. And according to my link, Chretien ordered Sheila Fraser to find out what she could. The point is that the media was a full participant in revealing the sponsorship scandal. The media. Hard to accept it, I know. That commie enemy of the free world - the media - actually seeks the truth. If you have a link contrary to what I've posted feel free to post it. If you just want to continue trolling, feel free to do that as well. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 9, 2006 Report Posted September 9, 2006 Ricki - MLW is the most objective site when it comes to moderating.And... I hd no idea Borden's government was so contentious ! That's right. I remember that thread. I have no clue about Borden. Guess that's my bad... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
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