Wilber Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Today's biggest problem with terrorism is coming from some people in the Muslim community. It makes sense that Muslims should come under more scrutiny than other religious groups but that doesn't give anyone a Carte Blanche to treat all Muslims like crap. You're missing the point. The problem is that the "Muslim community" is doing and saying nothing about the terror emanating from within its community. So you are saying they are all guilty by association and therefore they are not entitled to the same protection under law or the same rules as the rest of us. It's kind of logic that was used to justify the Holocaust. Be very careful when you try and justify it because it can be turned against you just as quickly. That's their game and what makes us different is the fact we don't play it. It makes us vulnerable in the short term but ultimately, defending those principles is what makes us stronger. Fundamentalist Islam is basically trying to turn the clock back 1300 years. No one has succeeded yet and neither will they. I agree that Muslims should expect to be under greater scrutiny than others but that doesn't make them all guilty. If you want to play that game we are all guilty of something in which we had no personal involvement because we didn't speak up, unless of course you don't stand for anything but that would make you guilty of everything. Every Irishman was not an IRA member nor did they all support their terrorist acts. Every Quebec separatist was not an FLQ member nor did they all support their terrorist acts. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
gc1765 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Today's biggest problem with terrorism is coming from some people in the Muslim community. It makes sense that Muslims should come under more scrutiny than other religious groups but that doesn't give anyone a Carte Blanche to treat all Muslims like crap. You're missing the point. The problem is that the "Muslim community" is doing and saying nothing about the terror emanating from within its community. Actually they are speaking out against terrorism: Link Link Link Link Link Link Link Do a search on google and you will find many more. Pretty good considering the people speaking out are not guilty of any crimes, they just happen to share the same religion as some people who do. Search "muslims against terrorism" and you get 58,200 hits...search "christians condemn iraq" and you get 652. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Every Irishman was not an IRA member nor did they all support their terrorist acts. Every Quebec separatist was not an FLQ member nor did they all support their terrorist acts. But Irishmen and Quebecois made it clear that these were pariah organizations. Are the Muslims doing likewise? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Every Irishman was not an IRA member nor did they all support their terrorist acts. Every Quebec separatist was not an FLQ member nor did they all support their terrorist acts. But Irishmen and Quebecois made it clear that these were pariah organizations. Are the Muslims doing likewise? Not all Irishmen or Quebecois condemned them and some who did probably sympathized with what they were trying to accomplish even if they disagreed with their methods. There are still lots of Irish who want a united Ireland and there are still lots of separatists. Some Muslims are condemning them but that is not the issue here. Do you think someone should be thrown off an aircraft just because they are a Muslim and another passenger objects to that fact? It seems that this is just what happened in this case, nothing more. I say that is unacceptable in our society and sets a dangerous precedent. If you think catering to the opinion of some ignorant drunk makes you safer when you get on an aircraft, you are dreaming. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Some Muslims are condemning them but that is not the issue here. Do you think someone should be thrown off an aircraft just because they are a Muslim and another passenger objects to that fact? It seems that this is just what happened in this case, nothing more. I say that is unacceptable in our society and sets a dangerous precedent. If you think catering to the opinion of some ignorant drunk makes you safer when you get on an aircraft, you are dreaming. No. My point is the Muslim community is making this awful result inevitable. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Some Muslims are condemning them but that is not the issue here. Do you think someone should be thrown off an aircraft just because they are a Muslim and another passenger objects to that fact? It seems that this is just what happened in this case, nothing more. I say that is unacceptable in our society and sets a dangerous precedent. If you think catering to the opinion of some ignorant drunk makes you safer when you get on an aircraft, you are dreaming. No. My point is the Muslim community is making this awful result inevitable. I don't agree. I think you are saying some Muslims actions justify abandoning our principles. I don't believe that is either desirable or inevitable. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Black Dog Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 August: That's a good point. So, the day 55 year old white women in stretch pants and big glasses commandeer airplanes and fly them into tall buildings, then I guess we'll have to change the profiles used for searches. So we'll always a step behind. Great! I think it's a fair bet that CSIS is now infiltrating mosques, not Jehovah Witness temples. And I would imagine that potential bomb plans are not being concocted in mosques much anymore. Sure. I'll bet CSIS is helping mosque-goers develop bomb plans as we speak. IOW BD, this is a case where we must really rethink a cornerstone of the French revolution and the people's revolution of the 1960s: equality. Naw. jbg: No. My point is the Muslim community is making this awful result inevitable. What's the conection between the Muslim community and racial profiling? If the Muslim community spoke out to your satisfaction, would that eliminate the threat of terrorism? How do you plan on distinguishing between a Muslm who is a potential terrorist and one who condemns terrorism? Quote
Leafless Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 What's the conection between the Muslim community and racial profiling? You got to be kidding! http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html Quote
Black Dog Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 The question, Leafless, is: how do you racial profile a religious group? Quote
Leafless Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 The question, Leafless, is: how do you racial profile a religious group? Now you are being fastidious. You are not racial profiling a religious group but in fact profiling individuals of Middle Eastern and South Asian descent BECAUSE of their ethnicity and RELIGION. Quote
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