Hanging Europe's Jews out to dry

[scribblet]

Another good editoria,.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...49ba511&p=2

Hanging Europe's Jews out to dry

Why would a civilization, at the height of its intellectual, cultural and technological power, seek to subvert its own values to appease a bunch of jihadist fanatics? Why is Israel being sacrificed on the altar of a seventh-century mystical supernaturalism? Were my interlocutors crazy? Were the demonstrators driving themselves crazy with their hatred of Israel? All this abnormal behaviour defies conventional political analysis, so I decided to consult my favourite shrink.

Some of the haters, he advised, may oppose Israel for more or less rational political reasons. Others because of its perceived closeness to America. Still others may use the anti-Israel bandwagon as a cover for anti-Semitism. But the root of the problem, he contended, is Auschwitz. Europeans collectively find the guilt of the Holocaust an unbearable burden. Many deal with it by projecting their guilt on to Israel. According to this tortuous analysis, the victim becomes the perpetrator and Europe redeems itself by opposing the "new Nazis" (Israel particularly; Jews generally) and offering succour to the "new victims" (almost anyone who stands against Israel or Jews).

It is clear now, if it was not before, that Israel's struggle with its zero-sum antagonists transcends territorial issues (Israel, remember was attacked across internationally recognized borders in Gaza and Lebanon). The UN might get the parties to agree to a ceasefire (or a "cessation of hostilities"), but this will not last. Nor will an international peace-keeping force prevail if its objectives are to disarm and dissolve Hezbollah.

The battle lines have been drawn and the West's "Friends of Hezbollah" should understand exactly where they run. First, for Israel the current conflict is the start of a long, existential war, which is likely to draw in both Syria and Iran, with unpredictable consequences for the protagonists and for the wider region. Second, Israel's struggle is also the West's struggle. The Islamist enemy that Israel faces is no different from the Islamist enemy that has already visited death and destruction to the streets of New York, Washington, London, Madrid, Istanbul, Bali, Nairobi, Dar es Salaam and a clutch of other cities.

The goal of lsrael, and of Europe, in the struggle against Islamic extremism must be to win, and win decisively. Any conclusion to hostilities that leaves Hezbollah or Hamas intact, let alone with a credible military option, will provide the Islamist world with a stunning triumph. General Norman Schwarzkopf, who led the U.S. coalition against Iraq in the first Gulf war, had it right when he was asked recently if he thought Hezbollah should be forgiven. "I believe that forgiving Hezbollah is God's function," he replied. "The Israelis' job is to arrange the meeting."

Israel is in a long-term struggle for survival. But the outcome of the conflicts in faraway Gaza and Lebanon will also have implications for Europe. Will the Europeans hang their Jews out to dry in an attempt to appease the jihadists and forestall the onslaught? The sentiments of those two Holocaust survivors haunt me. I would guess that their antennae are more sensitive than most.

[jbg]

Another good editoria,.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...49ba511&p=2

Hanging Europe's Jews out to dry

Why would a civilization, at the height of its intellectual, cultural and technological power, seek to subvert its own values to appease a bunch of jihadist fanatics? Why is Israel being sacrificed on the altar of a seventh-century mystical supernaturalism? Were my interlocutors crazy? Were the demonstrators driving themselves crazy with their hatred of Israel? All this abnormal behaviour defies conventional political analysis, so I decided to consult my favourite shrink.

*snip*

Israel is in a long-term struggle for survival. But the outcome of the conflicts in faraway Gaza and Lebanon will also have implications for Europe. Will the Europeans hang their Jews out to dry in an attempt to appease the jihadists and forestall the onslaught? The sentiments of those two Holocaust survivors haunt me. I would guess that their antennae are more sensitive than most.

Same reason that the Europeans chose to cashier 6 million Jews, who shared many of their cultural and family values, and now welcome Muslims as "guest workers" who of course never depart, and are destroying them, bit by bit.

[geoffrey]

I don't really believe the motive is that. I have no guilt for Auschwitz, I wasn't around, I couldn't do anything about it, not my deal.

It's a sad case of genocide for sure, but guilt? Hardly.

And last time I checked, we aren't giving into Jihadists. Every Western nation opposes Hezbollah, both in government and amongst their people.

[jbg]

I don't really believe the motive is that. I have no guilt for Auschwitz, I wasn't around, I couldn't do anything about it, not my deal.

It's a sad case of genocide for sure, but guilt? Hardly.

And last time I checked, we aren't giving into Jihadists. Every Western nation opposes Hezbollah, both in government and amongst their people.

They oppose Hezbollah but by and large (except the US, Canada and Australia, and yes, unfortunately, not except Great Britain) they hedge their bets.

[betsy]

I don't really believe the motive is that. I have no guilt for Auschwitz, I wasn't around, I couldn't do anything about it, not my deal.

It's a sad case of genocide for sure, but guilt? Hardly.

And last time I checked, we aren't giving into Jihadists. Every Western nation opposes Hezbollah, both in government and amongst their people.

The Liberals and the NDP will not publicly say that Hezbollah is a terrorist group...when in fact, it is listed as a terrorist group here inCanada.

Harper, in an exclusive inetrview for CTV Question Period last Sunday made a very practical and sensible demand from the Liberals and the NDP. Since they (both parties) have been whining about being neutral, Harper would want them to suggest explicitly and clearly how they would demonstrate being "neutral", considering Hezbollah is a terrorist group.

At least we know that two of our major political parties contending to lead this nation do not find anything amiss in condoning terrorism. They are willing to sacrifice not only the Jews....but also our reputation and good standing as one of the pillars of democracy, the allegedly "brokers of peace".... simply for political reasons.

[Yaro]

Harper, in an exclusive inetrview for CTV Question Period last Sunday made a very practical and sensible demand from the Liberals and the NDP. Since they (both parties) have been whining about being neutral, Harper would want them to suggest explicitly and clearly how they would demonstrate being "neutral", considering Hezbollah is a terrorist group.

It’s unfortunate that Israel’s PR campaign has been so effective, maybe a sign of the ignorance of the general public or the massive media control being exerted by those allied factions. I suppose a combination of the two, but if it wasn't for that clear bias it would be easy for the liberals to come out and tell the truth, that Hezbollah is no more a terrorist entity then is the IDF, and they have certainly killed fewer innocents.

[geoffrey]

Harper, in an exclusive inetrview for CTV Question Period last Sunday made a very practical and sensible demand from the Liberals and the NDP. Since they (both parties) have been whining about being neutral, Harper would want them to suggest explicitly and clearly how they would demonstrate being "neutral", considering Hezbollah is a terrorist group.

It’s unfortunate that Israel’s PR campaign has been so effective, maybe a sign of the ignorance of the general public or the massive media control being exerted by those allied factions. I suppose a combination of the two, but if it wasn't for that clear bias it would be easy for the liberals to come out and tell the truth, that Hezbollah is no more a terrorist entity then is the IDF, and they have certainly killed fewer innocents.

That's just ridiculous. Who started this conflict Yaro?

[Yaro]

Thats a little complex, depends on when you think it started I suppose.

[Riverwind]

Thats a little complex, depends on when you think it started I suppose.

Ok. No matter who started it is not going to end as long as groups like Hezbollah refuse to accept that Israel exists and it is not going to get 'pushed into the sea'. So even if you accept that the IDF tactics are frequently excessive and deliberately target civilians you cannot deny that the IDF wouldn't do those things if groups like Hezbollah left Israel alone.

[Yaro]

Ok. No matter who started it is not going to end as long as groups like Hezbollah refuse to accept that Israel exists and it is not going to get 'pushed into the sea'. So even if you accept that the IDF tactics are frequently excessive and deliberately target civilians you cannot deny that the IDF wouldn't do those things if groups like Hezbollah left Israel alone.

Actually your very much wrong, just as their is a large faction in each of Israels neighbors who will not be satisfied until Israel is destroyed there is a large faction in Israel with a great deal of clout that will not be happy until Israel encompasses what the "blessed land" which encompasses the vast majority of the middle east.

That's why these two groups will never coexist peacefully, as much as Hezbollah wants Israel destroyed those in charge of Israel want Palestine/Syria/Iran/most of Iraq... That is the long term goal because that's what the "good book" says is there destiny.

[Riverwind]

Actually your very much wrong, just as their is a large faction in each of Israels neighbors who will not be satisfied until Israel is destroyed there is a large faction in Israel with a great deal of clout that will not be happy until Israel encompasses what the "blessed land" which encompasses the vast majority of the middle east.

Like most fanatics the Jewish expansionists probably draw their power from fear and conflict. Would this group really have that much influence if Israel was at peace with its neighbors?

[daddyhominum]

Actually your very much wrong, just as their is a large faction in each of Israels neighbors who will not be satisfied until Israel is destroyed there is a large faction in Israel with a great deal of clout that will not be happy until Israel encompasses what the "blessed land" which encompasses the vast majority of the middle east.

You refer to a large faction in Israel. But the state, the government, of Israel has made such a claim afaik. Could you cite any official statements from Israel making such a claim?

It would be relatively easy to find quotes from terrorist leaders of Hezbollah such as Nasrullah stating they desire to wipe Israel off the map.

I don't think a 'faction' of the Israeli population translates into the national objective. OTOH, without the hatred for Israel, Hezbollah has no reason to exist.

[Yaro]

You refer to a large faction in Israel. But the state, the government, of Israel has made such a claim afaik. Could you cite any official statements from Israel making such a claim?

Sure, just as soon as you produce a statement from one of Israel's neighbors saying that they want Israel destroyed.

I don't think a 'faction' of the Israeli population translates into the national objective. OTOH, without the hatred for Israel, Hezbollah has no reason to exist.

Its not just "a faction" its a very powerful faction directly descended from the founders of modern Israel. As for the reasons for Hezbollah to exist, again have to disagree. Hezbollah are in large part nationalists in a nation with many enemies, Israel is just the most obvious, without Israel Hezbollah would probably exist in some form to fight off the influence of Iran. Kind of ironic really.

The situation in the middle east is infinitely more complex then most want to believe. We need a large stone wall with a clean zone of several hundred meters on each side maned by UN troops for a generation or two until the hatred dies. Unfortunately nobody seems patient enough for that.

[geoffrey]

You refer to a large faction in Israel. But the state, the government, of Israel has made such a claim afaik. Could you cite any official statements from Israel making such a claim?

Sure, just as soon as you produce a statement from one of Israel's neighbors saying that they want Israel destroyed.

I don't think a 'faction' of the Israeli population translates into the national objective. OTOH, without the hatred for Israel, Hezbollah has no reason to exist.

Its not just "a faction" its a very powerful faction directly descended from the founders of modern Israel. As for the reasons for Hezbollah to exist, again have to disagree. Hezbollah are in large part nationalists in a nation with many enemies, Israel is just the most obvious, without Israel Hezbollah would probably exist in some form to fight off the influence of Iran. Kind of ironic really.

The situation in the middle east is infinitely more complex then most want to believe. We need a large stone wall with a clean zone of several hundred meters on each side maned by UN troops for a generation or two until the hatred dies. Unfortunately nobody seems patient enough for that.

Hezbollah isn't nationalist towards Lebanon. They are a puppet of Syria plain and simple. Lebanon rejected Syria overwelmingly, and with it Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not much more than a bunch of Islamic extremist shit disturbers. They are a cancer on Lebanon as Mr. MacKay said so well.

[gc1765]

The Liberals and the NDP will not publicly say that Hezbollah is a terrorist group...when in fact, it is listed as a terrorist group here inCanada.

Huh? Who do you think made Hezbollah a terrorist group in Canada?

Link

[geoffrey]

qc, Bill Graham did argue...

Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham had argued that the social arm of Hezbollah was a legitimate charity and independent of the group's military arm.

Which shows that either a) he's an idiot and completely ignorant of reality or the Liberals are a party that supports some forms of terrorism.

Remember, which party was it that support the Tamil Tigers for many years... mostly because many of their ridings were made up of immigrant Tiger supporters.

The Liberals are the voting buying party of Canada. Of course Hezbollah wouldn't be added to the list until the evidence was overwelmingly damning... many Hezbollah supporters would love to vote Liberal.

This is why I can't vote for the Liberals, simply political prostitutes.

[Yaro]

Hezbollah isn't nationalist towards Lebanon. They are a puppet of Syria plain and simple. Lebanon rejected Syria overwelmingly, and with it Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not much more than a bunch of Islamic extremist shit disturbers. They are a cancer on Lebanon as Mr. MacKay said so well.

Don't you ever get tired of saying stupid things? Hezbollah is very much a nationalist movement, their primary goal was freeing Lebanon from Israeli occupation. Originally they were a group that also sought to bring about an Iranian style Islamic state but that was abandoned 15 years ago and since then their political arm has been very respectable. And while there are many things about Hezbollah that I don't like, they aren't any more "evil" or psychotic then Israel has been and have done a hell of alot less damage then Israel. And while that's probably just because they don't have the same firepower as Israel that's still not a proven notion while Israeli massacre's are well documented historical fact. It should also be noted that Lebanon did not reject Syria overwelmingly, they rejected them by a bare majority. Not that its relevent in any way since Hezbollah has virtually no significant ties with Syria.

[scribblet]

Hezbollah respectable lol really: They were the group which started the suicide bombings, and are well known for kidnappings, bombings and hijackings etc. You seem to forget that Israel 'occupied' Lebanon in 82 because of an intolerable sitution dueto the repeated shelling by PLO on Israeli civilians - about 5 - 6000 were in Lebanon. they came from Libya, Iraq and other places.

The PLO had an arsenal of mortars, Katyusha rockets, anti-aircraft PLO also had hundreds of T-34 tanks along with surface to air milles provided by Syria.

The PLO violated the July 1981 cease-fire agreement repeated, and staged close to 300 terrorist actions in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, and along the Lebanese and Jordanian borders.

Israel had no choice but to defend itself and stop the repeated attacks, if anyone thinks any country would standby while it was repeatedly shelled and attacked simply for living and being there they are wrong.

Hezbolla is no charitable organization, it was founded with the help of Khomini to further the Islamic revolution, Hezbolla is committed to the destruction of Israel and a world wide Caliphate.

[Law and Order Forever]

You refer to a large faction in Israel. But the state, the government, of Israel has made such a claim afaik. Could you cite any official statements from Israel making such a claim?

Sure, just as soon as you produce a statement from one of Israel's neighbors saying that they want Israel destroyed.

I don't think a 'faction' of the Israeli population translates into the national objective. OTOH, without the hatred for Israel, Hezbollah has no reason to exist.

Its not just "a faction" its a very powerful faction directly descended from the founders of modern Israel. As for the reasons for Hezbollah to exist, again have to disagree. Hezbollah are in large part nationalists in a nation with many enemies, Israel is just the most obvious, without Israel Hezbollah would probably exist in some form to fight off the influence of Iran. Kind of ironic really.

The situation in the middle east is infinitely more complex then most want to believe. We need a large stone wall with a clean zone of several hundred meters on each side maned by UN troops for a generation or two until the hatred dies. Unfortunately nobody seems patient enough for that.

I have a question,maybe naively asked but here goes,Why is Lebanons' Government and by extension, its' Army so weak that it can't expel Hezbollah if it really wanted to?

[Wilber]

Why is Lebanons' Government and by extension, its' Army so weak that it can't expel Hezbollah if it really wanted to?

Maybe because Hezbollah is getting more support from outside the country than Lebanon's legitimate government, because the legitimate government does not support the foreign policy of those who support Hezbollah.

[gc1765]

qc, Bill Graham did argue...

Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham had argued that the social arm of Hezbollah was a legitimate charity and independent of the group's military arm.

Which shows that either a) he's an idiot and completely ignorant of reality or the Liberals are a party that supports some forms of terrorism.

Remember, which party was it that support the Tamil Tigers for many years... mostly because many of their ridings were made up of immigrant Tiger supporters.

The Liberals are the voting buying party of Canada. Of course Hezbollah wouldn't be added to the list until the evidence was overwelmingly damning... many Hezbollah supporters would love to vote Liberal.

This is why I can't vote for the Liberals, simply political prostitutes.

I'd probably choose a) over . I don't think the liberals, or any party, actually support terrorism. I think Bill Graham thought that the charity wing of hezbollah and the military wing were separate, and when he realized that they were inseparable he made them a terrorist organization. Keep in mind I was repsonding to someone who said that the Liberals never said hezbollah is a terrorist organization, which is false. The Liberals did designate them as a terrorist group, even if it was belated.

By the way, I think all political parties are guilty to some extent of vote buying. What do you think Harper is doing in Quebec by promising to address the fiscal imbalance...a promise which he has essentially broken by the way. Do you not think that is vote buying in order to get his majority?

[geoffrey]

Hezbollah isn't nationalist towards Lebanon. They are a puppet of Syria plain and simple. Lebanon rejected Syria overwelmingly, and with it Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not much more than a bunch of Islamic extremist shit disturbers. They are a cancer on Lebanon as Mr. MacKay said so well.

Don't you ever get tired of saying stupid things? Hezbollah is very much a nationalist movement, their primary goal was freeing Lebanon from Israeli occupation. Originally they were a group that also sought to bring about an Iranian style Islamic state but that was abandoned 15 years ago and since then their political arm has been very respectable. And while there are many things about Hezbollah that I don't like, they aren't any more "evil" or psychotic then Israel has been and have done a hell of alot less damage then Israel. And while that's probably just because they don't have the same firepower as Israel that's still not a proven notion while Israeli massacre's are well documented historical fact. It should also be noted that Lebanon did not reject Syria overwelmingly, they rejected them by a bare majority. Not that its relevent in any way since Hezbollah has virtually no significant ties with Syria.

Do you know anything about the conflict? Hezbollah is pretty much a complete puppet of Syria, no significant ties? And what was Hezbollah's results in the last election? Oh yes, complete defeat to the nationalist parties. Bare majority my ass, look up the results. Hezbollah is hated by everyone other than Southern Beruit.

Hezbollah does want to 'liberate' Lebanon from Israel, but Israel wasn't really too involved in Lebanon's activities until Hezbollah threw the match into the powderkeg.

Hezbollah does nothing for Lebanon, it's a plague, it's a cancer. It has now been partially responsible for the destruction of many millions way of life.

So their political arm is respectable... and wishes death to the Israeli state. Very respectable indeed.

[jbg]

Do you know anything about the conflict? Hezbollah is pretty much a complete puppet of Syria, no significant ties? And what was Hezbollah's results in the last election? Oh yes, complete defeat to the nationalist parties. Bare majority my ass, look up the results. Hezbollah is hated by everyone other than Southern Beruit.

Hezbollah does want to 'liberate' Lebanon from Israel, but Israel wasn't really too involved in Lebanon's activities until Hezbollah threw the match into the powderkeg.

Hezbollah does nothing for Lebanon, it's a plague, it's a cancer. It has now been partially responsible for the destruction of many millions way of life.

So their political arm is respectable... and wishes death to the Israeli state. Very respectable indeed.

Great!!! Better summary than I could have given.

[Yaro]

Hezbollah respectable lol really: They were the group which started the suicide bombings, and are well known for kidnappings, bombings and hijackings etc. You seem to forget that Israel 'occupied' Lebanon in 82 because of an intolerable sitution dueto the repeated shelling by PLO on Israeli civilians - about 5 - 6000 were in Lebanon. they came from Libya, Iraq and other places.

Sigh, you start off talking about Hezbollah a group that was started for the express purpose of fighting off Israels occupation and then go into talking about the PLO? you do realize they are different enemies right? As for intolerable situations, Israel has killed 3 times as many civilian Palestinians as the total combined deaths in Israel from all terrorist attacks, that number includes a 5-1 ratio of child deaths.

The PLO had an arsenal of mortars, Katyusha rockets, anti-aircraft PLO also had hundreds of T-34 tanks along with surface to air milles provided by Syria.

So because Syria is an arms dealer that means they control Hezbollah? riiight.

The PLO violated the July 1981 cease-fire agreement repeated, and staged close to 300 terrorist actions in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, and along the Lebanese and Jordanian borders.

Once again, cease fires have been broken by Israel EVERY SINGLE TIME, there has not been a single cease fire in which Israel has not continued to attempt assassinations on PLO or Hezbollah members. They simply haven't been calling it a break in the cease fire.

Israel had no choice but to defend itself and stop the repeated attacks, if anyone thinks any country would standby while it was repeatedly shelled and attacked simply for living and being there they are wrong.

The vast majority of countries wouldn't have done what Israel has done to earn the wrath of every single nation in the area. But I digress, I am not defending the actions of either the PLO or Hezbollah, I am pointing out that Israel is just as bad and in the grand scheme probably lower on the moral scale.

Hezbolla is no charitable organization, it was founded with the help of Khomini to further the Islamic revolution, Hezbolla is committed to the destruction of Israel and a world wide Caliphate.

Its ironic that you would write that Hezbollah is no charitable organization because since the end of the occupation there has been a very large portion of there efforts put towards building schools and hospitals and many other charitable causes.

Try getting your talking points from somewhere other then Fox or Israeli websites and you might find that there is plenty of blame to go around.

I have a question,maybe naively asked but here goes,Why is Lebanons' Government and by extension, its' Army so weak that it can't expel Hezbollah if it really wanted to?

There's a laundry list of reasons really, first off remember that Hezbollah is not just a para-military orginization (which the former "terrorist" branch has largely evolved into) they are a political party with significant support, and they are a charitable organization. Like most terrorist organizations which attain there goals those involved are rarely happy to disband a structure that gives them personal power and so they continue it in whatever form they can. Hezbollah members make up a significant portion of the military, the government and the business community in Lebanon and it will take a very long time for their influence to fade.

Do you know anything about the conflict? Hezbollah is pretty much a complete puppet of Syria, no significant ties? And what was Hezbollah's results in the last election? Oh yes, complete defeat to the nationalist parties. Bare majority my ass, look up the results. Hezbollah is hated by everyone other than Southern Beruit.

Apparently next to you I know a staggering amount. There are significant portions of Lebanon where there is strong support for Hezbollah, apparently you are unaware of the religious weighting system used to bias the elections in Lebanon, the one where the vast majority of votes (Muslims) are LITERALLY counted for the same amount as the minute minority (Christians). Try actually doing some research on Lebanese elections.

Hezbollah does want to 'liberate' Lebanon from Israel, but Israel wasn't really too involved in Lebanon's activities until Hezbollah threw the match into the powderkeg.

You sound as if your talking present tense, Hezbollah was formed and existed in the form it did during the occupation they have changed substantially.

Hezbollah does nothing for Lebanon, it's a plague, it's a cancer. It has now been partially responsible for the destruction of many millions way of life.

Once again put in the position of defending an organization I don't personally like, Hezbollah has a significant charitable wing and does a great deal of "good work". Do you work for PNAC or some Israeli agency perhaps? Just curious as I know they do hire people to argue pro-Israel points on message boards just like this.

So their political arm is respectable... and wishes death to the Israeli state. Very respectable indeed.

There political arm wishes death to Israel? Really? Interesting because clearly I am FAR better informed then you.

[daddyhominum]

You refer to a large faction in Israel. But the state, the government, of Israel has made such a claim afaik. Could you cite any official statements from Israel making such a claim?

Sure, just as soon as you produce a statement from one of Israel's neighbors saying that they want Israel destroyed.

I don't think a 'faction' of the Israeli population translates into the national objective. OTOH, without the hatred for Israel, Hezbollah has no reason to exist.

Its not just "a faction" its a very powerful faction directly descended from the founders of modern Israel. As for the reasons for Hezbollah to exist, again have to disagree. Hezbollah are in large part nationalists in a nation with many enemies, Israel is just the most obvious, without Israel Hezbollah would probably exist in some form to fight off the influence of Iran. Kind of ironic really.

The situation in the middle east is infinitely more complex then most want to believe. We need a large stone wall with a clean zone of several hundred meters on each side maned by UN troops for a generation or two until the hatred dies. Unfortunately nobody seems patient enough for that.

Sorry to be so laggard in my reply. Here is the information you asked for regarding the intent of Sheik Nasrallah from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan_Nasrallah. If you are unable to accept the sources linke at the end of the article, you may need to read Arabic to find the originals online/

<begin Quote>

Views on Israel

Speaking at a graduation ceremony in Haret Hreik, Nasrallah announced on October 22, 2002: "if they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."[7][8] The New York Times qualifies this as "genocidal thinking"[9], whereas the New York Sun likens it to the 1992 Hezbollah statement, which vowed, "It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth."[10] Michael Rubin qualifies his goal as genocide too, quoting Nasrallah ruling out "co-existence with" the Jews or "peace", as "they are a cancer which is liable to spread again at any moment."[11] The Age quotes him like so: "There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel."[12]

Despite declaring "death to Israel" in his public appearances, Nasrallah said in an interview to The New Yorker, "at the end of the road no one can go to war on behalf of the Palestinians, even if that one is not in agreement with what the Palestinians agreed on." [13] When asked whether he was prepared to live with a two-state settlement between Israel and Palestine, he said he would not sabotage what is a Palestinian matter. [14].

In another interview with the Washington Post, Nasrallah said "I am against any reconciliation with Israel. I do not even recognize the presence of a state that is called "Israel." I consider its presence both unjust and unlawful. That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle." [15].

<end quote>

Can you now support the claim you made in a similar manner?

Two other observations to make.

1.Suggestions from Israel that the Olmert goovernment may be in trouble for being to restrained in pressing the attack against Hizbullah. Rosner's blog on Haaretz works throygh the questions at http://tinyurl.com/qauan

2. It appears that the UN resolution will fail because Nasrallah and Hizbullah will not withdraw beyond the Litani nor disarm, both of which are stipulated in the UN resolution and required by any UN force as well as Israel.