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In a Toronto Star article, immigration consultant Daniel Stoffman paints a gloomy future for Canada unless it gets control of its immigration system. With immigrant poverty levels running over 50% over the past 15 years slums are forming for our new permanent "underclass" as social services and education deteriorate. And in the not very distant future:

It's 2020 and, in Toronto, the days when everyone used the public health-care system are gone. So is the time when a majority of affluent, middle-class parents sent their kids to public schools. In 2020, vast tracts of suburban slums occupy what used to be good farmland on the city's outskirts.

Traffic congestion and air pollution are unbearable. Toronto's reputation as one of North America's most livable cities is a distant memory. It's now known as the " Sao Paulo of the north."

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I was last there in 1997, when my wife and I found it unpleasant enough to ditch for a three-hour ride to Algonquin (combination of her pregnancy and 33 degree heat). Is it really getting that bad though?

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In a Toronto Star article, immigration consultant Daniel Stoffman paints a gloomy future for Canada unless it gets control of its immigration system. With immigrant poverty levels running over 50% over the past 15 years slums are forming for our new permanent "underclass" as social services and education deteriorate. And in the not very distant future:

It's 2020 and, in Toronto, the days when everyone used the public health-care system are gone. So is the time when a majority of affluent, middle-class parents sent their kids to public schools. In 2020, vast tracts of suburban slums occupy what used to be good farmland on the city's outskirts.

Traffic congestion and air pollution are unbearable. Toronto's reputation as one of North America's most livable cities is a distant memory. It's now known as the " Sao Paulo of the north."

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It is an interesting viewpoint. It just means that Ontario needs to take better control of its immigration. Why settle people just in Toronto? If they have a provincial nominee program in place, they can have communities across Ontario that need workers match up with immigrants wanting to come to Canada.

Manitoba has done very well by this program.

Also, Alberta could make use of these new immigrants coming in. They just need to find them a place to live.

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In a Toronto Star article, immigration consultant Daniel Stoffman paints a gloomy future for Canada unless it gets control of its immigration system. With immigrant poverty levels running over 50% over the past 15 years slums are forming for our new permanent "underclass" as social services and education deteriorate. And in the not very distant future:

It's 2020 and, in Toronto, the days when everyone used the public health-care system are gone. So is the time when a majority of affluent, middle-class parents sent their kids to public schools. In 2020, vast tracts of suburban slums occupy what used to be good farmland on the city's outskirts.

Traffic congestion and air pollution are unbearable. Toronto's reputation as one of North America's most livable cities is a distant memory. It's now known as the " Sao Paulo of the north."

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It is of course a sad experience for all those immigrants who show up for a better life in Canada. And I do believe even living as the "underclass" is a better life than where they came from. First, they don't strive for a better like learn the culture and integrate, but also they can access the social safety nets, while they remain connected to their roots. That is part of their first demise.

Next there is the effect of this reluctance of the immigrant not wanting to be "Canadian" and for jobs I am sorry to say that the employer hiring purpose support a social good, rather than productivity.

the poverty rate for immigrants is 52.1 per cent, while that of people born in Canada remained unchanged at around 20 per cent according to the report

I mean why not encourage population grow in Canada

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I don't want to sound pessimistic but the proof is almost in the pudding.

Could this possibly be associated with a Liberal plot to destroy major White English speaking cities or provinces via uncontrolled (third world immigration) immigration knowing full well what the outcome would be?

The same thing happened with British Columbia with the Chinese and Asian element.

Ottawa the Capital of Canada is now home to many Quebecer's due to federal interference involving major federal employment forcing francophones on the previously federal English workforce.

Quebec gets to pick and choose where it's immigrants come from and at that only accounts for 12% according to the Toronto Star article.

I think the writing is on the wall if you happen to be a White English speaking and Christan citizen of Canada.

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I don't want to sound pessimistic but the proof is almost in the pudding.

Could this possibly be associated with a Liberal plot to destroy major White English speaking cities or provinces via uncontrolled (third world immigration) immigration knowing full well what the outcome would be?

I think the writing is on the wall if you happen to be a White English speaking and Christan citizen of Canada.

So Harper is really a Liberal?

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Once again the government doesn't have a clue what to do. At the same time private industry doesn't either. You would think that such a small problem could be handled, but no.

Alberta needs people to come here and work, but we just can't get enough people here quick enough. Meanwhile in eastern Canada they are complaining about an influx of immigrants. Ahh.... excuse me but duh....!

Tell you what, if your city doesn't want these people than forfeit an affordable housing credit to them and stick them on a bus to Alberta. Have the feds kick in another credit and ship it here too. We build a place for them to live, and we give them a place to work. Then we will collect their taxes which the feds will ship back to you in an equalization transfer payment!

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I don't want to sound pessimistic but the proof is almost in the pudding.

Could this possibly be associated with a Liberal plot to destroy major White English speaking cities or provinces via uncontrolled (third world immigration) immigration knowing full well what the outcome would be?

I think the writing is on the wall if you happen to be a White English speaking and Christan citizen of Canada.

So Harper is really a Liberal?

I was making reference to the to the previous long term administration regarding the federal Liberals.

But it's interesting you raised the question of Mr. Harper really being a Liberal.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see to verify that one.

It could be the Conservatives fiqure they might be boxed in politically and choose to fight 'fire with fire' approach, if you know what I mean.

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I was last there in 1997, when my wife and I found it unpleasant enough to ditch for a three-hour ride to Algonquin (combination of her pregnancy and 33 degree heat). Is it really getting that bad though?

250,000 new immigrants each and every year, most from third world countries with poor English skills and often poor job skills and education, and cultures which demand high birth rates. What does that add up to?

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It's 2020 and, in Toronto, the days when everyone used the public health-care system are gone. So is the time when a majority of affluent, middle-class parents sent their kids to public schools. In 2020, vast tracts of suburban slums occupy what used to be good farmland on the city's outskirts.

Traffic congestion and air pollution are unbearable. Toronto's reputation as one of North America's most livable cities is a distant memory. It's now known as the " Sao Paulo of the north."

It is an interesting viewpoint. It just means that Ontario needs to take better control of its immigration. Why settle people just in Toronto?

Ontario cannot 'settle" people anywhere, nor can Canada, really. People will settle where they want, and usually they want to settle among their own kind. As the article says, even when they settle elsewhere, they are inevitably drawn to the big cities filled with not just communities full of people "like them" but all the other stuff big cities draw people with, so they move. Nor will our constitution allow any restrictions on mobility rights among "canadians". You might bring them in to Kenora, and they might live there a few years, then they'll probably pack up and move to Toronto.

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Tell you what, if your city doesn't want these people than forfeit an affordable housing credit to them and stick them on a bus to Alberta. Have the feds kick in another credit and ship it here too. We build a place for them to live, and we give them a place to work. Then we will collect their taxes which the feds will ship back to you in an equalization transfer payment!

You are welcome to have all the Somalians from Ottawa, Jerry. We'll empty out our jails and public housing units and ship them all to you.

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It's 2020 and, in Toronto, the days when everyone used the public health-care system are gone. So is the time when a majority of affluent, middle-class parents sent their kids to public schools. In 2020, vast tracts of suburban slums occupy what used to be good farmland on the city's outskirts.

Traffic congestion and air pollution are unbearable. Toronto's reputation as one of North America's most livable cities is a distant memory. It's now known as the " Sao Paulo of the north."

It is an interesting viewpoint. It just means that Ontario needs to take better control of its immigration. Why settle people just in Toronto?

Ontario cannot 'settle" people anywhere, nor can Canada, really. People will settle where they want, and usually they want to settle among their own kind. As the article says, even when they settle elsewhere, they are inevitably drawn to the big cities filled with not just communities full of people "like them" but all the other stuff big cities draw people with, so they move. Nor will our constitution allow any restrictions on mobility rights among "canadians". You might bring them in to Kenora, and they might live there a few years, then they'll probably pack up and move to Toronto.

A provincial nominee program matched immigarents to jobs. There will always be movement but for smalelr communities, this nomiinee program can be a lifeline. Ontario really hasn't gone to as great an effort to place people in such a place as say, Kenora. There are job there wanting for lack of workers.

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You are welcome to have all the Somalians from Ottawa, Jerry. We'll empty out our jails and public housing units and ship them all to you.
That is a horrifyingly foul comment.

What if it's true? The Ottawa Citizen, in a quote I've posted before, stated that half of all the youths incarcerated in Ottawa's youth detention facilities were Somalians. I used to live across from a public housing project, in a Minto development which had made a deal with the city to take refugees (rent paid by the city). I also lived with someone who worked for Social services. I have a pretty good idea how many Somalians are in public housing in Ottawa. BTW, social service applications in Ottawa come in three languages: English, French, and Somalian. And no, I'm not making that up.

Somalians make up only a fraction of a percentage of the Ottawa population.

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Come to Sask, we have more jobs then people and its the cheapest place to live in Canada.

You make a good point. Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Alberta would all benefit from more immigration. Alberta is already doing well when it comes to interprovincial migration but we are all in desperate need to fill open jobs in our provinces.

Toronto may indeed be having problems adjusting to its huge increase of immigrants. But the best thing for new arrivals is to have a job to work at.

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Toronto may indeed be having problems adjusting to its huge increase of immigrants. But the best thing for new arrivals is to have a job to work at.

You don't seem to understand that it is NOT Toronto having problems adjusting to it's huge increase of immigrants but rather the federal government is at fault for allowing huge numbers of immigrants choosing Toronto as the place to live.

There are no federal controls.

Immigrants will naturally want to live where most of their cultural buddies choose to live.

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Come to Sask, we have more jobs then people and its the cheapest place to live in Canada.

You make a good point. Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Alberta would all benefit from more immigration. Alberta is already doing well when it comes to interprovincial migration but we are all in desperate need to fill open jobs in our provinces.

Then you should try training people better. And frankly, as far as I'm concerned, if everyone has a good job, well, that's fine. It doesn't overly concern me that business might have trouble expanding and hiring more people.

I don't see how bringing in masses more people improves anyone's life. It brings more pollution, more urban sprawl, more crowded cities - for what again? So that businesses can expand more easily? I hate to sound like a socialist, but - screw business.

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Well maybe not screw business, but look man some of these folks have had it pretty rough in this life and moving to Canada gives them a shot a something better. What on earth is wrong with that? We need workers, and they are willing to work, so what is the problem I say.

Urban sprawl is a problem for the folks living in the big cities true enough. Having said that I don't think immigrants from some brutal former country are really going to make it a whole lot worse, and the point needs to be made that you guys should deal with that problem anyway.

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You don't seem to understand that it is NOT Toronto having problems adjusting to it's huge increase of immigrants but rather the federal government is at fault for allowing huge numbers of immigrants choosing Toronto as the place to live.

There are no federal controls.

Immigrants will naturally want to live where most of their cultural buddies choose to live.

There are federal controls. Provinces can work with the federal government to get the immigrants they want. Has Ontario been doing that?

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Then you should try training people better. And frankly, as far as I'm concerned, if everyone has a good job, well, that's fine. It doesn't overy concern me that business might have trouble expanding and hiring more people.

I don't see how bringing in masses more people improves anyone's life. It brings more pollution, more urban sprawl, more crowded cities - for what again? So that businesses can expand more easily? I hate to sound like a socialist, but - screw business.

Manitoba is doing a fine job of bringing in new immigrants at the moment. We could use more but we need to press the federal government to expedite provincial nominee candidates.

Ontario has been trying to supersize Toronto for a long time now. Three different political parties have been in power over the last few decades in the province. Blame them for the liveable condiiton of Toronto.

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You don't seem to understand that it is NOT Toronto having problems adjusting to it's huge increase of immigrants but rather the federal government is at fault for allowing huge numbers of immigrants choosing Toronto as the place to live.

There are no federal controls.

Immigrants will naturally want to live where most of their cultural buddies choose to live.

There are federal controls. Provinces can work with the federal government to get the immigrants they want. Has Ontario been doing that?

What federal controls are you making reference to? Have you got a link?

It is the federal government that is totally neglegent in allowing large numbers of immigrants into the country totally disconcerning themselves from the fact 43% of all of Canada's immigrants settle in Toronto.

http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/006927.html

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Another immigration thread/rant started by Argus. Righttttt.

You don't seem to understand that it is NOT Toronto having problems adjusting to it's huge increase of immigrants but rather the federal government is at fault for allowing huge numbers of immigrants choosing Toronto as the place to live.

There are no federal controls.

Leafless, how do you propose we control where immigrants live? Do you want us to have a police state with internal passbooks and registration at the local authorities?

In simple terms, we cannot dicate where an immigrant will live and potential immigrants can promise to immigrate to Flin Flon and then change their minds.

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