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I realize that. I was responding to his post to me!

I'm still interested in hearing workable solutions if you have them. I think we could all probably do with some of those.

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I am truly honoured to know them, and I wish our governance was like theirs.

Responsibilities instead of divisions.

So you're okay with the posters idea of eviction from the land in question as well as other areas of Canada? Is there any area of Canada where eviction is not possible?

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Note that what is being suggested here is Six Nations backup plan, should the government not negotiate a fair price... which I'm sure is the first priority :)

Six Nations is quite prepared to administer services for the people. If you look back I think you will find eviction is not a major strategy but a possibility when necessary, as it sometimes is anyway.

... but it appears that negotiations have a ways to go yet

It's all negotiating ... and it appears that it is going ahead quite quickly which is good.

All I've heard here is that there are no negotiations and that people must leave.

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Six Nations is quite prepared to administer services for the people.
You should be realistic - hell will freeze over before adminstrative authority is transferred from the existing municipalities to Six Nations. The only offer that the gov't is going to put on the table is cash and some additional reserve lands. If that is not good enough for Six Nations then the gov't will simply let the SCC impose a settlement that would likely look a lot like what the gov't offers.

If Six Nations wants to evict people then it is going to have to find an army first because there is no way the Canada gov't will do it for them.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

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You should be realistic and listen to what I am saying ... they are negotiating a price for the occupied land ... get it?
They will negotiate forever if Six Nations is not willing to accept a price that the taxpayers can afford to pay. The actual value of the land is quite irrelevant.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

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She:kon!

Ah...the fears of the sleepy Canadian.....

"The Indians are seeking to govern us as an aristocracy...."

"All of Canada is going to be evicted....."

"There are no negotiations......"

What happens is that when you don't have good listening skills (or reading skills) you fall back on interpreting what was said with your fear-filter.

I have maintained time and time again throughout these 20 or so pages that the Haudenosaunee want nothing to do with Canadian politics or governance. If you implode - which is the likely direction you are heading - it will be on your own and you will not be taking us with you.

"Brother if you wish us well, then leave us alone." Redjacket.

I have also talked about eviction as being a final option to your government (at their suggestion) refusing to bargain in good faith and/or a means to harmonizing the interests of people living along the tract. No one said about the rest of Canada. However you will have to deal with other nations, since we are the first real thing. This land reclamation process is the ~new and improved~ system for regaining our territories. First we take back the lands we have a rightful claim to and then your government must prove it has a lawful right to it. It is exactly the same process that Canada has in the past forced us into. But now we see that the government was never honest about settling the claims and so we reversed the process, being absolutely serious about finding an expedient and equitible end to the process. It is us that are urgent in negotiating, in order to protect and not lose sight of our obligation to settlers who have found themselves on lands they don't hold legal title to. Your government would just as well let this go on for another 50 years, thereby increasing the ultimate payouts and affecting far more people and leaving settlers without any rights or priviledges of living on our territories..

Our goal is not to evict anyone but to find a place in our common understanding where we can both live as neighbours on the tract. Your government is resistent to that fact and prefers an all or nothing approach. We could oblige them if that is their resolve but it means that you suffer for their blunders and greed.

Presently we are not intentionally interfering with people living on the tract. We are peaceably and directly focused on lands under development because we do not want to exacerbate the present problems. Our present interest and focus of negotiations is to make the government aware that the Crown lands and the vacant land belong to Six Nations and consistent with the Haldimand Proclamation no more development will be permitted. This is a necessary measure to protect the rights of settlers as well as our own.

I laugh when the argument "that's old legislation and you can't expect us to comply" crapola comes out of desperation. The BNA Act is still valid. Are you suggesting that Canada's primary legislation be recinded because you don't want to recogonize YOUR old laws? Your very statement invalidates Canada, opens the door to US occupation and returns all the lands shared by treaty since then back to total First Nations control. We could live with that but I'm pretty sure none of you can......Anything else must come from negotiation with us.

Our goal is Peace, Friendship and Goodwill. This is the Covanent Chain that the British adopted from our Great Law. Without it we would be adversaries and not allies. Without it Canada would not exist - even as a corporation. Without it none of you would be here to have this conversation. Perhaps you cheap-labour conservatives really want to be like the Americans with their 30% poverty level and their violent inner cities, their big business indifference to the environment and people's needs. Without us and our agreement with those old law makers it would be a vastly different place - one where even you could no longer sleep away.

BTW if negotiations fail then it is no hair off our backs. We own the land and will start to do with it what we choose. There is no "let the SCC decide" because Canada does not have any jurisdiction over us. You're just blowing smoke if you think otherwise. Canada MUST negotiate or by default lose every right ever gained to share the land with us.

O:nen

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A lot people built this country. None of them are alive today. Your ancestors contributed to the success of the country as did mine. However, what our ancestors did makes no difference today and should not affect how we treat each other today.

Our people welcomed European people here as friends and offered them a place to live as our neighbors. We helped them in times of war when Great Britain didn't have enough troops to send here to defend their people. Without us you'd be either French or American x2! If that doesn't make a difference of what you as Canadian are today then you've got some major denial issues going on.

Sharing or compromise to people like you means, we'll take what we want whether you agree or not and we'll break or change the interpretation of the law to suit our whim. When we've been pushed to the point of realizing we can't obtain any honest legal remedy we're called law-breakers and terrorists. That's how "we treat each other today"!

Then stand up and refute what some other aboriginal posters have said if you do not agree. If you are silent and let those people do the talking then how can others know that you are different?

I have already refuted your claim with the Nisga'a Treaty but you still keep refering to the Delgamuukw case, which could also still be reversed upon proper appeal and honest legal justice. You're not even offering any good solid evidence for your cause you just continually evade everything with nonsense.

Have you ever heard of the statute of limitations? It is a well established principal in common law that says crimes cannot be prosecuted after a enough time elapses. The statute of limitations definitely applies to anything that happened over a century ago.

Your own Constitution does not contain statutes of limitations on any Native treaties, rights and other freedoms and specifically includes the Royal Proclamation Act of October, 7, 1763! Most of which are over a century old! Section 52 (1) also states that the constitution is the supreme law of Canada! There is also no statute of limitations on GENOCIDE!

If someone stole your property today then you would be entitled to use the legal system to get it back. If someone stole your ancestors property that is unfortunate but there is nothing that can or should be done today.

You're a real piece of work! I can see right through you even though you try to word carefully!

Your Constitution and legal system are quite clear as to what is legal regardless of any time lapse. Our people have tried to use your legal system and have failed under its own corruption. When faced with the reality of their law they change or omit the rules of the game. In short we CANNOT obtain any legal remedy within your domestic legal system!

You're not about law and justice as you put on you are. Your closing sentence says it all; "there is nothing that can or should be done today." Pretty damn arrogant statement for a person that talks about respect!

Posted

No matter how much the white brother offers or gives it will not be enough. The sad reality is that for all of the smoke and mirrors the natives screwed up and signed bad deals, got jerked around by shady politicians and are now very unhappy. That is the long and the short of it. Now they want to hold a knife to our throats for the errors of everyone that came before us. Enough is enough.

The governments needs the balls to deal with the issues, and they don't have them. Give the natives self government, and remove their federal funding. Let them stand on their own and deal with issues as they decide to. With all due respect to the land claims issues, the government ought to simply turn the entire matter over to the court system. Back away from the situation in legal terms and then utilize the system to fight a delayed confrontation some years from now. Tie the whole thing up with a bow and wait it out. Should take a few decades to resolve. In the meantime, the taxpaying citizens can save a few billion a year by not subsidizing the lives of people who have no desire to be Canadian.

They have a choice to make in my opinion, they can be Canadian and enjoy the rights, freedoms, privileges and benefits of the rest of the citizens or they can damned well fund and create their own system. This business of being entitled to rights that no other citizens can lay claim to is objectionable. It is racist and inflamatory to every other citizen and it is a transgression against non-native rights.

Posted
No matter how much the white brother offers or gives it will not be enough. The sad reality is that for all of the smoke and mirrors the natives screwed up and signed bad deals, got jerked around by shady politicians and are now very unhappy. That is the long and the short of it. Now they want to hold a knife to our throats for the errors of everyone that came before us. Enough is enough.

The governments needs the balls to deal with the issues, and they don't have them. Give the natives self government, and remove their federal funding. Let them stand on their own and deal with issues as they decide to. With all due respect to the land claims issues, the government ought to simply turn the entire matter over to the court system. Back away from the situation in legal terms and then utilize the system to fight a delayed confrontation some years from now. Tie the whole thing up with a bow and wait it out. Should take a few decades to resolve. In the meantime, the taxpaying citizens can save a few billion a year by not subsidizing the lives of people who have no desire to be Canadian.

They have a choice to make in my opinion, they can be Canadian and enjoy the rights, freedoms, privileges and benefits of the rest of the citizens or they can damned well fund and create their own system. This business of being entitled to rights that no other citizens can lay claim to is objectionable. It is racist and inflamatory to every other citizen and it is a transgression against non-native rights.

What are you talking about!!!

It was your people that made the bad deals under treaty and don't want to own up to them. It's us that is giving to this country it's always never enough!

As far as this bull $#%& of racism if we have certain rights it's about Nation-Nation we are NOT Canadian citizens. Would you expect the same rights as your neighbors south of the border?

Posted

No matter how much the white brother offers or gives it will not be enough. The sad reality is that for all of the smoke and mirrors the natives screwed up and signed bad deals, got jerked around by shady politicians and are now very unhappy. That is the long and the short of it. Now they want to hold a knife to our throats for the errors of everyone that came before us. Enough is enough.

The governments needs the balls to deal with the issues, and they don't have them. Give the natives self government, and remove their federal funding. Let them stand on their own and deal with issues as they decide to. With all due respect to the land claims issues, the government ought to simply turn the entire matter over to the court system. Back away from the situation in legal terms and then utilize the system to fight a delayed confrontation some years from now. Tie the whole thing up with a bow and wait it out. Should take a few decades to resolve. In the meantime, the taxpaying citizens can save a few billion a year by not subsidizing the lives of people who have no desire to be Canadian.

They have a choice to make in my opinion, they can be Canadian and enjoy the rights, freedoms, privileges and benefits of the rest of the citizens or they can damned well fund and create their own system. This business of being entitled to rights that no other citizens can lay claim to is objectionable. It is racist and inflamatory to every other citizen and it is a transgression against non-native rights.

What are you talking about!!!

It was your people that made the bad deals under treaty and don't want to own up to them. It's us that is giving to this country it's always never enough!

As far as this bull $#%& of racism if we have certain rights it's about Nation-Nation we are NOT Canadian citizens. Would you expect the same rights as your neighbors south of the border?

Not Canadian?

Somehow I doubt you return any cheques marked Govt. of Canada.

Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

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Your own Constitution does not contain statutes of limitations on any Native treaties, rights and other freedoms and specifically includes the Royal Proclamation Act of October, 7, 1763! Most of which are over a century old! Section 52 (1) also states that the constitution is the supreme law of Canada!
You may be correct to say that from a legal perspective (at least based on current law) that the statue of limitations does not apply. However, I used the statute of limitations in this context to explain why so many Canadians have the opinion that 200 year old historical wrongs are irrelevant and that we should do nothing more than provide symbolic compensation. No matter how much you talk about historical injustice you cannot change the culture where people simply do not believe that people living today have any obligation to make sacrifices to correct the wrongs of the past.
There is also no statute of limitations on GENOCIDE!
I stopped using the term race based rights because I realized it is needlessly inflammatory and does not contribute to reasoned debate. I suggest you do the same with the term genocide.
I have already refuted your claim with the Nisga'a Treaty but you still keep refering to the Delgamuukw case, which could also still be reversed upon proper appeal and honest legal justice.
Actually, that is my biggest objection to that treaty - the fact that it did not provide a permenant solution. However, the Nis'ga treaty represents the most the gov't will offer to natives in BC. Bands that expect more are going to be at the negotiating table for a long time.

So do you believe that 1/2 million plus people should be evicted from their homes to satisfy the demands of 20,000 people? Tsi made that statement - do you agree?

Your Constitution and legal system are quite clear as to what is legal regardless of any time lapse. Our people have tried to use your legal system and have failed under its own corruption. When faced with the reality of their law they change or omit the rules of the game. In short we CANNOT obtain any legal remedy within your domestic legal system!
That is because the system recognizes its owns limitations. The law is a tool to ensure fairness amoung citizens. However, it is a blunt tool and enforcing the law to correct one injustice can often create many other greater injustices. For that reason, the courts will often encourage compromise and political solutions rather than imposing a one sided settlement.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

Posted

No matter how much the white brother offers or gives it will not be enough. The sad reality is that for all of the smoke and mirrors the natives screwed up and signed bad deals, got jerked around by shady politicians and are now very unhappy. That is the long and the short of it. Now they want to hold a knife to our throats for the errors of everyone that came before us. Enough is enough.

The governments needs the balls to deal with the issues, and they don't have them. Give the natives self government, and remove their federal funding. Let them stand on their own and deal with issues as they decide to. With all due respect to the land claims issues, the government ought to simply turn the entire matter over to the court system. Back away from the situation in legal terms and then utilize the system to fight a delayed confrontation some years from now. Tie the whole thing up with a bow and wait it out. Should take a few decades to resolve. In the meantime, the taxpaying citizens can save a few billion a year by not subsidizing the lives of people who have no desire to be Canadian.

They have a choice to make in my opinion, they can be Canadian and enjoy the rights, freedoms, privileges and benefits of the rest of the citizens or they can damned well fund and create their own system. This business of being entitled to rights that no other citizens can lay claim to is objectionable. It is racist and inflamatory to every other citizen and it is a transgression against non-native rights.

What are you talking about!!!

It was your people that made the bad deals under treaty and don't want to own up to them. It's us that is giving to this country it's always never enough!

As far as this bull $#%& of racism if we have certain rights it's about Nation-Nation we are NOT Canadian citizens. Would you expect the same rights as your neighbors south of the border?

What I am talking about is putting an end to this crap. You can call it what you want, blame who you want, but the reality is this; I have done nothing to the natives to harm them or cause them grief. I have paid literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes to the government of Canada and there will be a fair chuck of change from those dollars that went to natives. Now you seem to want more, and I seem to want to not give any more, can you understand that. I have received no benefit from that portion of funds that you have received from me through the government. I no longer wish to pay you because I receive nothing in return but grief and greed.

If natives don't want Canadian citizenship thats fine with me. In fact I think you are right in making that declaration. Now kindly send back every damned penny you were given in error by the government because you have no entitlement to it.

After discussing this subject on this forum and trying to reason with some folks that were native I can assure you that you have taken a supporter of native rights and reformed me into somebody that does not support resolutions to native problems.

I hope that was your intention because I will now start writing my MLA letting him know just how I feel about the subject. There are not many native folks in my constituency, so you can probably figure that you have just made another enemy due to your racist views. I will begin to speak with my neigbors and agitate to get them to write the MP's and MLA's as well. You have your numbers, and we have ours so let democracy rule fella!

On the subject of racism, you either have rights that are equal to everyone elses or you have privileges of entitlements. I hope you realize the difference. If you truely believe that you have entitlements due to your race, then you are a racist. I have no use for racist scum.

I will not wish you harm or il will, in fact I wish you the peace that you may find at your own expense. I now advocate cutting the cord my friends, natives want self government they want land they want this and they want that. So be it. Live as you will but I will now advocate no longer funding any first nations to any degree at all. You can keep what you have, but you will get nothing else. The shoe is now on the other foot, and in fact perhaps those that came before me may have stolen from you, but I did not and now you try to steal from me, I think not. Blame who you want, that is your right. Expect no help from me, that is my right.

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She:kon!

That's a wonderful epiphemy Jerry! Since anything the Canadian government or its people that have done to us with good intentions has alwys turned out worse for us, the sooner you realize that we want to be left alone and act on it, the better our relationship can mature.

Unfortunately, since YOU or the Canadian government are not in control of this "crap" you are stuck with your side of the equation. You can dig you heels in like a child being dragged through a mall but you are coming for the ride anyway. You see the great inequities will be rectified. And you see that you and your thinking are part of the problem. Your "help" and advocating did nothing to work towards a solution.

If we are going about a "anteing up" then you will come out on the downside again, given that 140 years of back rent is no owed, along with a $30 billion[/b] trust fund that went missing under the Canadian government's watch. We still know what it is worth and so pay up now before you get on your way! 140 years of using and extracting resources in addition to the cities and towns built on our lands breaks your bank. So you can leave when we tell you that we are paid in full and not a penny sooner.

Since you own no property that is not under some treaty, or is unceded territory, you really have lost nothing. You may want to believe that your investment means something but like a bad stock, when you invvest in the Canadian government's promises that you own the land, then you might as well be investing in Bre-ex. Your stock is worthless and that doesn't mean we stole it but it means you made an uninformed bad investment.

O:nen

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She:kon!

That's a wonderful epiphemy Jerry! Since anything the Canadian government or its people that have done to us with good intentions has alwys turned out worse for us, the sooner you realize that we want to be left alone and act on it, the better our relationship can mature.

Unfortunately, since YOU or the Canadian government are not in control of this "crap" you are stuck with your side of the equation. You can dig you heels in like a child being dragged through a mall but you are coming for the ride anyway. You see the great inequities will be rectified. And you see that you and your thinking are part of the problem. Your "help" and advocating did nothing to work towards a solution.

If we are going about a "anteing up" then you will come out on the downside again, given that 140 years of back rent is no owed, along with a $30 billion[/b] trust fund that went missing under the Canadian government's watch. We still know what it is worth and so pay up now before you get on your way! 140 years of using and extracting resources in addition to the cities and towns built on our lands breaks your bank. So you can leave when we tell you that we are paid in full and not a penny sooner.

Since you own no property that is not under some treaty, or is unceded territory, you really have lost nothing. You may want to believe that your investment means something but like a bad stock, when you invvest in the Canadian government's promises that you own the land, then you might as well be investing in Bre-ex. Your stock is worthless and that doesn't mean we stole it but it means you made an uninformed bad investment.

O:nen

So what are the Natives going to do if Canadians won't leave the land?

What if they tell you they don't recognize your ownership of their lands?

What will you all do?

Become more militant with your demands?

If that is your only answer, it won't work.

Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

Posted
So you can leave when we tell you that we are paid in full and not a penny sooner.
Six Nations has no power to force anyone to pay anything. Six Nations is entirely dependent on the good will of Canada and Canadian citizens. If Six Nations loses that good will they will lose all of the rights and privileges they have now.

How well do you think your community would do if Canada put border controls and required all Six Nations people to apply for a visa if they want to visit Canada?

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

Posted

Jerry, River and What,

It is doubtful that you will get anywhere with the activists that you're talking to. You won't convince them and they won't convince you. All you'll likely do is provoke violence in their responses. It is probably best to ignore them because then they would have nothing to respond to.

Posted

She:kon!

Your government is considering evicting them under the expropriations act. If that doesn't work then a physical eviction may be required. In any case, being the peaceful people we are we would likely offer them citizenship under our emmigration policies. If they refuse then they will be deported and then they become your problem.

However, your government is suggesting that by moving major industry out of the Haldimand with incentives, people will naturally follow. It isn't our problem. It is yours.

O:nen

Posted

She:kon!

Six Nations has no power to force anyone to pay anything. Six Nations is entirely dependent on the good will of Canada and Canadian citizens. If Six Nations loses that good will they will lose all of the rights and privileges they have now.

How well do you think your community would do if Canada put border controls and required all Six Nations people to apply for a visa if they want to visit Canada?

Try again. Six Nations is self-sufficient. Trying to isolate us would be more of a problem for you than it would be for us. We already have active trade relations with the US, Boliva, Brazil, Mexico, France and any number of european and middle-east countries. You don't think that Canada is our only trading partner, do you?

Besides where would all you non-natives buy cheap smokes and cheap gas?

O:nen

Posted

The Govt evicting, what thousands ? Hundreds of thousands? voters from their homes. Ya I really see that.

Why that could be Harper's next election slogan.

"Elect me and I'll get you evicted."

Cheaps smokes and gas?

Maybe Canadians smokes and gas would be a little cheaper if it wasn't subsidising the Native's Tax-free smokes and gas.

Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

Posted
Jerry, River and What,

It is doubtful that you will get anywhere with the activists that you're talking to. You won't convince them and they won't convince you. All you'll likely do is provoke violence in their responses. It is probably best to ignore them because then they would have nothing to respond to.

i was polite and answered all of your questions,but because you did not like the answers or understand you choose to ignore

pretty childish

Will you please answer one of mine

when you look into someone elses eyes what do you see?

Posted
Try again. Six Nations is self-sufficient. Trying to isolate us would be more of a problem for you than it would be for us. We already have active trade relations with the US, Boliva, Brazil, Mexico, France and any number of european and middle-east countries. You don't think that Canada is our only trading partner, do you?
Six Nations would be unable to ship any goods to market without the permission of Canada. There are border communities in Canada and the US who have been put under severe stress because the US decided to restrict border traffic in some places. Canada has the legal right to do the same and restrict all traffic in and out of Six Nations territory. Your people would be left with nothing.

So spare us all your useless rhetotic about treaties and unenforceable claims on land you do not own. Six Nations needs Canada more than Canada needs Six Nations. Once your are able to recognize that then you will understand why a negotiated compromise is the only solution.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

Posted
when you look into someone elses eyes what do you see?

Pupils??? :D

Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

Posted

She:kon!

Try again Riverwind. Six Nations has access to to Lake Erie directly from our territory and an airport capable of shipping goods in and out. The US respects the Jay Treay and allows us free unencumber access into the States. From there the whole world is accessible. Canada has no authority over us whatsoever.

My you are getting desperate.....

O:nen

Posted
Try again Riverwind. Six Nations has access to to Lake Erie directly from our territory and an airport capable of shipping goods in and out. The US respects the Jay Treay and allows us free unencumber access into the States. From there the whole world is accessible. Canada has no authority over us whatsoever.
Try looking at a map. The only access Six Nations has to water is via rivers going through territory belonging to Canada. Any air traffic would have to go through Canadian airspace. Canada does not need authority over Six Nations - Six Nations is completely dependent on Canada economically.

Personally, I don't see the need to resort to such tactics, however, I am simply pointing out the options that are available if uncompromising attitudes like yours are common in the Six Nation's community. IOW, you should not talk about starting a war against an opponent that is 1.5 million times your size.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

Posted

You seriously think the US is going to risk a trade dispute with Canada, for what little trade the natives would generate?

Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html

"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

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