Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne'

She:kon! As Albert Einstein often said; "You cannot solve problems using the same thinking that created them in the first place." And of course that is the root of the "Indian problem". The cause is clearly rooted in western anglo-european white christian male thinking. (This is to differentiate from the female mindset since those who do not believe in the male superiority like the men can often see our point of view much easier) The sooner that people like you stop "helping" us the sooner we will recover from our poverty and hardships. We don't need or want to be like you and would prefer finding more traditional solutions to our issues. This does'nt mean reverting to the stone age, but it does involve taking a long and thoughtful look at each individual problem and treating the whole community at the same time. It does not involve agendas and pre-determined decisions. Of course most of you still seem to believe "we're from the government and we're here to help you...." - at least where it concerns us. We know that is one of the big lies....but then again we know that you accept whatever is put in your mouth and then swallow hard.... O:nen

She:kon! Here's my reply: "Brother, the Great Spirit Has Made Us All" "We first knew you a feeble plant which wanted a little earth whereon to grow. We gave it to you; and afterward, when we could have trod you under our feet, we watered and protected you; and now you have grown to be a mighty tree, whose top reaches the clouds, and whose branches overspread the whole land, whilst we, who were the tall pines of the forest, have become a feeble plant and need your protection." Friend and Brother! It was the will of the Great Spirit that we should meet together this day. He orders all things, and he has given us a fine day for our council. He has taken his garment from before the sun and has caused the bright orb to shine with brightness upon us. Our eyes are opened so that we see clearly. Our ears are unstopped so that we have been able to distinctly hear the words, which you have spoken. For all these favors we thank the Great Spirit and him only. Brother! This council fire was kindled by you. It was at your request that we came together at this time. We have listened with attention to what you have said. You have requested us to speak our minds freely. This gives us great joy, for we now consider that we stand upright before you, and can speak what we think. All have heard your voice and all speak to you as one man. Our minds are agreed. Brother! You say that you want an answer to your talk before you leave this place. It is right that you should have one, as you are a great distance from home, and we do not wish to detain you. But we will first look back a little, and tell you what our fathers have told us, and what we have heard from the white people. Brother! Listen to what we say. There was a time when our forefathers owned this great island. Their seats extended from the rising to the setting of the sun. The Great Spirit had made it for the use of Indians. He had created the buffalo, the deer, and other animals for food. He made the bear and the deer, and their skins served us for clothing. He had scattered them over the country, and had taught us how to take them. He had caused the earth to produce corn for bread. All this he had done for his red children because he loved them. If we had any disputes about hunting grounds, they were generally settled without the shedding of much blood. But an evil day came upon us. Your forefathers crossed the great waters and landed on this island. Their numbers were small. They found friends and not enemies. They told us they had fled from their own country for fear of wicked men, and had come here to enjoy their religion. They asked for a small seat. We took pity on them, granted their request and they sat down amongst us. We gave them corn and meat. They gave us poison (spirituous liquor) in return. The white people had now found our country. Tidings were carried back and more came amongst us. Yet we did not fear them. We took them to be friends. They called us brothers. We believed them and gave them a large seat. At length their numbers had greatly increased. They wanted more land. They wanted our country. Our eyes were opened, and our minds became uneasy. Wars took place. Indians were hired to fight against Indians, and many of our people were destroyed. They also brought strong liquors among us. It was strong and powerful and has slain thousands. Brother! Our seats were once large, and yours were very small. You have now become a great people, and we have scarcely a place left to spread our blankets. You have got our country, but you are not satisfied. You want to force your religion upon us. Brother! Continue to listen. You say that you are sent to instruct us how to worship the Great Spirit agreeably to his mind; and if we do not take hold of the religion which you white people teach we shall be unhappy hereafter. You say that you are right, and we are lost. How do you know this to be true? We understand that your religion is written in a book. If it was intended for us as well as for you, why has not the Great Spirit given it to us; and not only to us, but why did he not give to our forefathers the knowledge of that book, with the means of understanding it rightly? We only know what you tell us about it. How shall we know when to believe, being so often deceived by the white people? Brother! You say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agree, as you can all read the book? Brother! We do not understand these things. We are told that your religion was given to your forefathers and has been handed down, father to son. We also have a religion, which was given to our forefathers, and has been handed down to us, their children. We worship that way. It teaches us to be thankful for all the favors we received, to love each other, and to be united. We never quarrel about religion. Brother! The Great Spirit has made us all. But he has made a great difference between his white and red children. He has given us a different complexion and different customs. To you he has given the arts; to these he has not opened our eyes. We know these things to be true. Since he has made so great a difference between us in other things, why may not we conclude that he has given us a different religion, according to our understanding? The Great Spirit does right. He knows what is best for his children. We are satisfied. Brother! We do not wish to destroy your religion, or to take it from you. We only want to enjoy our own. Brother! You say you have not come to get our land or our money, but to enlighten our minds. I will now tell you that I have been at your meetings and saw you collecting money from the meeting. I cannot tell what this money was intended for, but suppose it was for your minister; and if we should conform to your way of thinking, perhaps you may want some from us. Brother! We are told that you have been preaching to the white people in this place. These people are our neighbors. We are acquainted with them. We will wait a little while, and see what effect your preaching has upon them. If we find it does them good and makes them honest and less disposed to cheat Indians, we will then consider again what you have said. “Brother! – Great numbers of black coats have been among the Indians. With sweet voices and smiling faces, they offered to teach them the religion of the white people. Our brethren in the East listened to them. They turn from the religion of their fathers, and look up the religion of the white people. What good has it done? Are they more friendly, one to another, than we are? No, Brother! They are a divided people; we are united. They quarrel about religion; we live in love and friendship. Besides, they drink strong waters, and they have learned how to cheat and how to practice all the other vices of the white people, without imitating their virtues. “ “Brother! – We do not worship the Great Spirit as the white people do, but believe that the forms of worship are indifferent to the Great Spirit. It is the homage of sincere hearts that pleases him, and we worship him in that manner.” "We also have a religion which was given to our forefathers, and has been handed down to us their children. It teaches us to be thankful, to be united, and to love one another! We never quarrel about religion." “Brother! –If you white people murdered the Saviour , make it up yourselves. We had nothing to do with it. If he had come among us, we should have treated him better” Brother! You have now heard our answer to your talk, and this is all we have to say at present. As we are going to part, we will come and take you by the hand, and hope the Great Spirit will protect you on your journey, and return you safe to your friends. “Brother! – If you wish us well then keep away; don’t disturb us.” Red Jacket, Seneca Sachem May 1811 O:nen

She:kon! I'm sure he is just another Residential School supporter...... You know what THEY did to innocent children under the guise of "helping" them.... O:nen

She:kon! Their priests are devil worshippers and their women fly around on brooms. All their male-children wear dresses and then get their heads dunked with cooking oil in preparation for cooking. I seen this one time in a Church where all of them got down on their knees to ritually canibalize some guy named Geezus. And then I heard this nun yelling "Geezus I'm coming...." and you know she might have gone if the Priest wasn't on top of her holding her down..... Anyone else get their experience from Anglo-European Christian White Males....I hear they even have a gay pride day.... O:nen

She:kon! Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Six Nations never lost any land. We leased some of it which were subsequently turned into illegal title and much more was occupied by Canadian squatters. Under Canadian law, all we need do (and did do for the past 200 years) was to remind the government those on our lands were ours. Legally that gives us continuous title. The government recognizes the title to our lands and its unceded nature. Their problem politically is what to do with the illegal squatters, not wanting to displace them or inconvenience them. At some point our patience will run out and we may end up starting to evict many of you. That will get the government to action just as quick as the eviction and reclamation did at Caledonia. The funny thing is there is little squat that you or your ignorant cohorts can do about it....except whine like the Clownedonians. It gets them occasional notice from the media but even they are bored with what they consider a non-issue. Enjoy the 21st century. Where Six Nations is concerned it will not be like the 19th or the 20th. Guaranteed! O:nen

She:kon! You really should break out some legal books. The claim Six Nations has over the Haldimand Tract is a legal claim that has been validated by the federal government. The only problem is what to do with those of you that live there. You opinion doesn't matter anyway, since we have already convinced the provincial and federal governments to expect more similar land reclamations unless they willingly and honestly come to the table. Our bargining chip? Taking the land back and making YOUR government prove their claim to us. So far they admitted they can't. We'll see what breaks tomorrow...... You should also break out the history books. If it wasn't for the Haudenosaunee allied with the Crown, you would very well be just another American Bushite under the command of a warmonger and moron. We have never been conquered and the only thing that saved the British ass from our wrath was a peace treaty called the Covanent Chain. It is good to see another ignorant Canadian underestimating us. THAT already gives us the upper hand in any negotiation.... O:nen

She:kon! The Canadian government has acknowledged that the trust fund held on behalf of Six nations by the Crown is missing and unaccounted for. The trust fund and money's owed for back rent (not including the illegal occupations and squatters) is estimated at 80 billion dollars. At a minimum 5% interest the government of Canada owes Six nations roughly 400 million per year. Six Nations receives about 80 million each year (less than half of the transfers municipalities of the same size receive) in transfers from the government. This means that Canada is sinking into a $320 million hole per year and of course another billion is added to the fund every 2 1/2 years. The real estate value of the lands that have been illegally transfered and occupied without our consent is estimated to be in excess of $1 trillion dollars. Perhaps if you paid what you owe in full, we would be more than willing to give up inferior education and health care and develop our own compatible systems. Perhaps if all the resource extraction and industrial development conducted on our lands were to be evicted you might get a sense of what it means to come to negotiation and deal honestly and fairly. Any negotiation between us begins with us in the superior position being owed trillions of dollars (accumulating billions more each year in unsettled debt). We are not so naive to negotiate ourselves into a loss. I would suggest that you start loking for a new place to live since it is only a matter o time before your government gives us your house and land in exchange for a debt they cannot pay back. O:nen

She:kon! The point that you have trouble understanding is that we are NOT Ontarians, or Canadians. We are Haudenosaunee Confederacy. That makes ALL the difference. O:nen

She:kon! First of all, Skywoman, the owner of NYCrimeWatch is not native. He is a poser and was caught trying to pass of internet phrases he captured from Mohawk sites as conversational Mohawk. Especially what he presented did not even reflect real Mohawk language. He has no credibility and is nothing more than a basement circuit board junkie like Gary McHale. As far as the warrior society and attempts to make people believe they are violent, let's look at who was arrested. 3 non-native men and 2 non-native women were arrested during the 3 hour rally October 15 for breaching the peace, while nearly 3500 Six Nations people held a peace rally and potluck supper 500 feet away. There were no native arrests, nor incidents that warranted any investigations. The issues that are raised by contraries are meant to distract from the real issues occuring at Caledonia. The real issues have nothing to do with Caledonians per se, since the reclamation only affected a developer, the Government of Canada and Six Nations via the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. After a failed raid on the site by the OPP who attacked women and children with clubs and tasers, a number of blockades were erected in which to defend against further raids and to protect the women, children and old people occupying the site. This did inconvenience some Caledonians by requiring them to detour around the site, but no more than the road construction that seems to plague Ontario during the summer season. After a couple of weeks the detours were removed and since then negotiations have been on-going in attempts to resolve the issue of illegal land occupations by the government and its citizens. As it stands as of last week, the government has admitted that they cannot prove that the land lease for the Plank road (the issue affecting the reclamation site and Caledonia) and now have resolved that they will have to turn over the lands currently occupied. As late as this week, Premier McGuinty announced in the legislature that Six Nations has agreed to assume the cost of services, which is a precursor to the announcement that the lands are being handed back to Six Nations. There has been confrimation by the government that other lands within the Haldimand tract will also be settled before the final announcement to the public at large. In essence dispite the ill-planned march organized by Gary Mchale and populated by Nazi supporters, skin-heads and sychphants, negotiations have been inching closer to final settlement. ONLY negotiation can solve disputes and the kinds of violent proposals such as the march orginally intended to stomp on the reclamation site but abandoned by a McTimid McHale, or the calls for army assaults on innocent people, are contrary to peaceful resolution. We have in our past faced violent opposition from many forces including police and citizens and the Canadian Armed Forces all of which were turned back and we are not afraid of hollow threats of more invasions onto our sovereign territories. However, in the end it was negotiation that ended the conflicts and negotiations that resolved and legitimized Haudenosaunee claims of territory and sovereignty and each time the government has backed away for finalizing the agreements made. This time will be different. We have changed the rules of land claims. Oka, Ipperwash and other reclaims were merely tests. Kanonhstaton is the real thing and if your government refuses once again to live up to commitments made at the negotiation table, you as Canadians might well be prepared to be inconvenienced for a long time more. We are not a violent people, nor are we prone to attack in an offensive or aggressive manner. In fact the reclamation was made by merely walking ont the site and making the claim. No incidents, No threats. Not strong arming....However, we will defend our territories once occupied and our right to live peaceably therein. That is a reality that Canadians should get used to. We are NOT Canadians but a Nation of Haudenosaunee independent and sovereign in our own right! Our Warriors are not an army. They are a militia raised from among ordinary men and women willing and able to defend our territories. This is nothing new in our society. "For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. " Thomas Jefferson Being a student of Haudenosaunee law, culture and principles it is no doubt that Jefferson gleaned this idea from us and it is as relevent today as it was 200 years ago...... O:nen

She:kon! It conflicts with people like Argus' violent thinking and since they are opposite concepts it must be unbelievable. Funny how the questioning of their myths leads to all kinds of violent and argumentative replies.....eh? O:nen

She:kon! We have forgiven many times over and many times over crimes have been perpetuated against us time and again. So we're not looking for revenge. Rather we are interested in stopping the insanity that caused the residential schools, the genocide and the apartheid policies. Unfortunately you in mainstream society resist reality, preferring to bath yourself in myth and reconstructed history to continue to attempt to justify your abhorrent and retarded treatment of anyone with a different mindset. You wallow in self-pity hoping it will redeem your racism and bigotry. You consume enmasse and then complain about the mounds of garbage that your community doesn't know what to do with. You walk by drunks and homeless people on the sidewalks of big cities and complain they interfere with the beautification of the inner city. Your children come home to empty houses and then when they get into a bit of trouble out of boredom, you get these stupid looks and start blaming the kid for his behavior. All the while you exempt your own irrational and mentally unstable behavior in everyday life - clearly a trait of the woefully insane! We realized long ago that we couldn't live with you being so crazy and inconsistent, so we came to the Two Row agreement and extended it through the Covanent Chain. This agreement was to separate ourselves and allow each other to live along their own path. Your societies constant intereference in our lives and nation suggest that you are even incapable of adhering to simple agreements and monitoring / regulating your own behavior. You continue to assert that you know what is best for us and vow to ~correct~ our problems with your retarded ideas. Yet if you realized that we only want to be left alone, we would be able to demonstrate for those among you who are also tired of your craziness, a way out. If all you can do is to go on consuming and still leave us alone, then the whole world will be a much better place for us all. So the ~problem~ isn't with us, or the fact that we demand reparations (since penalizing you financially is the only way to get your attention) but it is with you and the crazy, life-sucking insanity you live under. When the racists and bigots can get a life that equals any one Mohawk friends or relatives, then I will begin to allow you to make suggestions on how we can live peaceable together. Until then the only way to deal with crazy makers and presidents of the nut factories is to continue to spin you around and around until you fall flat on you ass and ask for our help. Be assured that the day is coming. Only being so lost in your heavy-consuming and violent thinking lifestyles you can't see anything real and peaceful on the horizon. BTW youe anglo-european Christian soceity is born into guilt through the original sin and even though many of you will deny the bible, chrisitianity or any religious affilliation, you cannot deny how heavily influenced your soceity is from it. That makes you all Christian-based and responsible for the guilt and the sins of your fathers, not by us but by through the dominence of your soceity morality. The only way to escape it is to retreat into insanity....and thus the circle of craziness continues unabated and unrelentless upon you and your children. My ancestors saw this pychosis over 500 years ago and were smart enought to prescribe that we distance ourselves from it. THAT and not the colour of our skin separates us. And being wholly sane it is impossible to for you rationalize your belief to us that you are only a little bit insane, sometimes, on certain issues, as there are no degrees of insanity and so your little bit is full blown nuts! O:nen

She:kon! While I appreciate the sentiment of remembering those who died when the Twin Towers collapsed, I wonder where the lists of people (whose names are forgotten) who have died as a result of the poverty perpetuated by those financiers and stockbrokers who worked at the World Trade Centre? And where are the names of people who died as a result of malfunctioning equipment, flawed vehicles and poisonous pharmaceuticals to which the manufacturers tried to hide their culpability? The people who died are not heros they were unfortunate victims in a rebellion against the western interference in mid-eastern politics. I abhor the treatment these people have received in their deaths as the reluctant advertisers of illegal war, and as money makers for grubby advertisers sponsoring everything 911 in order to make a buck. If we were truly sorry for the deaths of these people, then there would be no war and any commentary, documentary and news on the rememberance days would have come without profit or gain. O:nen

She:kon! What a moron, eh? She thinks she can rattle a couple of ghosts...... Keep trying.....I want to keep laughing...... O:nen

She:kon! We're not interested in equality per se. We need equity and that is a stumbling block for most Canadians - in fact the government has a problem with it too because it means that they MUST restore all the lost lands and repair the damge done through oppression and neglect. We are already equal but our relationship with Canada is inequitible. Once that occurs then we'll decide if we want to continue the relationship with Canada, or choose to ally ourselves with some other country......say like any South American country that is more sympathetic towards indigeneous people. We can even look to the US for trade, independent of Canada, since I'm sure they would value the resources and goods that are produced within our territories. O:nen

She:kon! Actully the exact opposite is required. One must be totally aware and calm, free from distractions in order to pull it off. But YOUR hysteria makes it so much easier. And being prone to fear it is not that difficult to excite you. O:nen