August1991 Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 In 1960, Nixon lost - barely. In 1962, Nixon lost in California. But in 1968, Nixon -an outsider- won. How? Nixon played their game better. Carney is no LBJ, Carney's like Hubert Humphrey, clueless. Quote
August1991 Posted May 9 Author Report Posted May 9 Critical Issue? Keeping Canada together, getting along. Carney (and the professional anglo guys advising him) are clueless. Poilievre understands Canada. Quote
Barquentine Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 2 hours ago, August1991 said: Poilievre understands Canada. Yeah, that's why he lost the election and Canadians still don't like or want him... The only thing PeePee understands is scoring cheap points in question period and living off Canadian's tax dollars all his working life! 1 1 Quote
John Johnston Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, that's why he lost the election and Canadians still don't like or want him... The only thing PeePee understands is scoring cheap points in question period and living off Canadian's tax dollars all his working life! Yup. Milhouse is the premier Trough Dwellar. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 4 hours ago, August1991 said: In 1960, Nixon lost - barely. In 1962, Nixon lost in California. But in 1968, Nixon -an outsider- won. How? Nixon played their game better. Carney is no LBJ, Carney's like Hubert Humphrey, clueless. Nixon won in his 3rd attempt...the conservatives with 3 leaders against the same party and same guy have lost 4 already 1 2 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Goober National Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 4 hours ago, August1991 said: and the professional anglo guys advising him Anglo? These are Laurentians. 1 Quote
herbie Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 11 hours ago, August1991 said: Carney's like Hubert Humphrey, clueless. OMG what a foolish and baseless statement. Gonna join the smear at any cost without offering any viable alternative whatsoever club? Got enough posters here that can only do that. 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 8 hours ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, that's why he lost the election and Canadians still don't like or want him... He lost because your good friend Trump interfered with the election. How come every foreign government that is hostile or a competitor or just wants to get the best of us supprorts the Liberal Party come election time? 8 hours ago, Barquentine said: The only thing PeePee understands is scoring cheap points in question period and living off Canadian's tax dollars all his working life! Much better to have an amateur outsider who knows nothing about government, right, like your friend Trump. 8 hours ago, John Johnston said: Yup. Milhouse is the premier Trough Dwellar. A opposed to what? The funeral director we have no, and his zombie/ghoul wife? 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 11 minutes ago, herbie said: OMG what a foolish and baseless statement. Gonna join the smear at any cost without offering any viable alternative whatsoever club? Got enough posters here that can only do that. Consider it a form of flattery that he's imitating you. This is how you guys on the far fringes of the Left act all the time. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
herbie Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 Sorry to disappoint you but I only recognize that the 'left' has moved too far right for their own good. And acknowledge I'm partly guilty of that. What they used to call a Blue Democrat. The mainstream of the party doesn't understand how they can use the existing populist/pro free enterprise means to achieve their goals. 1 Quote
John Johnston Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 3 hours ago, I am Groot said: He lost because your good friend Trump interfered with the election. How come every foreign government that is hostile or a competitor or just wants to get the best of us supprorts the Liberal Party come election time? Much better to have an amateur outsider who knows nothing about government, right, like your friend Trump. A opposed to what? The funeral director we have no, and his zombie/ghoul wife? What are you talking about? 1 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 17 hours ago, I am Groot said: like your friend Trump. Apparently you've never read any of my posts. 17 hours ago, I am Groot said: He lost because your good friend Trump interfered with the election. You tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 17 hours ago, herbie said: Sorry to disappoint you but I only recognize that the 'left' has moved too far right for their own good. Ah, so they should get back to demanding the government nationalize all business and industries? 17 hours ago, herbie said: And acknowledge I'm partly guilty of that. What they used to call a Blue Democrat. More like a democratic socialist. Ie, socialist. 17 hours ago, herbie said: The mainstream of the party doesn't understand how they can use the existing populist/pro free enterprise means to achieve their goals. The mainstream of the party doesn't understand how to fight the battle for balanced budgets and preserving the nation when half the population pays no income tax and half the population aren't really Canadians and don't much care what happens to Canada as long as they get paid. 21 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Apparently you've never read any of my posts. Given your hatred for the conservatives, Trump is your friend and ally 21 minutes ago, Barquentine said: You tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Every political scientist and observer says the same thing. Trump saved the Liberals. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
ExFlyer Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 18 hours ago, I am Groot said: He lost because your good friend Trump interfered with the election. How come every foreign government that is hostile or a competitor or just wants to get the best of us supprorts the Liberal Party come election time? Much better to have an amateur outsider who knows nothing about government, right, like your friend Trump. A opposed to what? The funeral director we have no, and his zombie/ghoul wife? I would think that is a question that is better posed to the conservative party of Canada. Why would they disregard the conservatives? Why would uber conservative Trump disregard and disrespect the conservative party of Canada??? Perhaps they see the same thing that most Canadians see ...that the conservatives are losers??? Also, what and who is the "foreign country that is hostile or a competitor"? So, a conservative calling uber conservative Trump an amateur??? Now that is funny LOL LOL LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Johnston Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: I would think that is a question that is better posed to the conservative party of Canada. Why would they disregard the conservatives? Why would uber conservative Trump disregard and disrespect the conservative party of Canada??? Perhaps they see the same thing that most Canadians see ...that the conservatives are losers??? Also, what and who is the "foreign country that is hostile or a competitor"? So, a conservative calling uber conservative Trump an amateur??? Now that is funny LOL LOL LOL Trump is not even a Conservative of any kind. Trump is a petty, sad and small man who is a racist and heart of a racist who's claim to fame is hatred, thievery and predatory behavior. Like half of the Americans. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 18 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Trump is not even a Conservative of any kind. Trump is a petty, sad and small man who is a racist and heart of a racist who's claim to fame is hatred, thievery and predatory behavior. Like half of the Americans. I agree with everything you say about Trump himself but, Republicans are the US version of our conservative party. They claim to be, associate with conservatism and, call themselves conservative in every way. Trump has called himself as nationalist conservative. My response to groot was to his claims and comments. He seems to think PP lost because Trump is a friend of liberals when in fact liberals campaigned against Trump and PP campaigned against Trudeau who was out of politics altogether LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Johnston Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I agree with everything you say about Trump himself but, Republicans are the US version of our conservative party. They claim to be, associate with conservatism and, call themselves conservative in every way. Trump has called himself as nationalist conservative. My response to groot was to his claims and comments. He seems to think PP lost because Trump is a friend of liberals when in fact liberals campaigned against Trump and PP campaigned against Trudeau who was out of politics altogether LOL I agree. My position is that the Republicans are in name only. They are the Party of Trump, regardless what they call themselves. Mr. Groot cannot see that PP lost of his own volition. PP lost because his platform of incessant complaining and victimhood does not square with Canadian thinking. This may change if we are not careful. Right now America is heading towards the cliff. The best thing the Liberal did was turf Trudeau. Thankfully we now have a pragmatic and intelligent man at the helm. Some people dislike Carney because he is willing to stand up to the stupidity engulfing America at this time. People are impatient, if the people don't get what they want right now they are willing to throw him under the bus. In my opinion that would be worst thing we could. do. If the Conservative party came back to some semblance of moderation and and some polities that were good for the country, not the party I would turf the Liberals. But right now this seems to be the best deal of all three parties at this moment. But I digress.... 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 58 minutes ago, John Johnston said: I agree. My position is that the Republicans are in name only. They are the Party of Trump, regardless what they call themselves. Mr. Groot cannot see that PP lost of his own volition. PP lost because his platform of incessant complaining and victimhood does not square with Canadian thinking. This may change if we are not careful. Right now America is heading towards the cliff. The best thing the Liberal did was turf Trudeau. Thankfully we now have a pragmatic and intelligent man at the helm. Some people dislike Carney because he is willing to stand up to the stupidity engulfing America at this time. People are impatient, if the people don't get what they want right now they are willing to throw him under the bus. In my opinion that would be worst thing we could. do. If the Conservative party came back to some semblance of moderation and and some polities that were good for the country, not the party I would turf the Liberals. But right now this seems to be the best deal of all three parties at this moment. But I digress.... Seems conservatives just hate the liberals...no matter who is the Boss. Thing is most Canadians hate the conservatives, no matter who is the Boss as they have tried and failed ....4 times LOL What conservatives cannot seem to understand is that no one, no negotiators will ever discuss in public what is going on behind closed doors. Negotiators will not say what they are holding and that is so they have their own advantage. Conservatives do not understand that as it has been so long ago that they had anything to negotiate LOL Another thing conservatives do not understand is that when "deals" or "associations" or "MOU's" are made, it is not instantaneous as the existing deals or associations or even MOU's need to expire. Again, they do not understand that as it has been so long since they had any opportunity to make deals or negotiate anything LOL 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Johnston Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Seems conservatives just hate the liberals...no matter who is the Boss. Thing is most Canadians hate the conservatives, no matter who is the Boss as they have tried and failed ....4 times LOL What conservatives cannot seem to understand is that no one, no negotiators will ever discuss in public what is going on behind closed doors. Negotiators will not say what they are holding and that is so they have their own advantage. Conservatives do not understand that as it has been so long ago that they had anything to negotiate LOL Another thing conservatives do not understand is that when "deals" or "associations" or "MOU's" are made, it is not instantaneous as the existing deals or associations or even MOU's need to expire. Again, they do not understand that as it has been so long since they had any opportunity to make deals or negotiate anything LOL Quite right. Just throwing red meat at the base does not work for most Canadians. You would have thought they figured that out four elections ago... I may have been born in the 50's, but I don't want to live in them. 1 Quote
Legato Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Seems conservatives just hate the liberals...no matter who is the Boss. Thing is most Canadians hate the conservatives, no matter who is the Boss as they have tried and failed ....4 times LOL What conservatives cannot seem to understand is that no one, no negotiators will ever discuss in public what is going on behind closed doors. Negotiators will not say what they are holding and that is so they have their own advantage. Conservatives do not understand that as it has been so long ago that they had anything to negotiate LOL Another thing conservatives do not understand is that when "deals" or "associations" or "MOU's" are made, it is not instantaneous as the existing deals or associations or even MOU's need to expire. Again, they do not understand that as it has been so long since they had any opportunity to make deals or negotiate anything LOL Well I agree the Carney is very good at doing nothing. After all, it does take a lot of expertise, time and energy to fully accomplish nothing. No doubt he will continue the good work of doing nothing. We will look forward to more nothings with exceptional outcomes of very little. Keep up the good work, your acolytes do enjoy wallowing in the large pool of absolutely nothing. I hear there's another MOU with a purported possibility to sign another after this large amount of nothing expires. Can't wait for the Orange man to tell him "nothing doing"!! 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Legato said: Well I agree the Carney is very good at doing nothing. After all, it does take a lot of expertise, time and energy to fully accomplish nothing. No doubt he will continue the good work of doing nothing. We will look forward to more nothings with exceptional outcomes of very little. Keep up the good work, your acolytes do enjoy wallowing in the large pool of absolutely nothing. I hear there's another MOU with a purported possibility to sign another after this large amount of nothing expires. Can't wait for the Orange man to tell him "nothing doing"!! You are the epitome of what I said. Negotiations take a long time ...look at CUPE, look at PSAC, look at PIPSC...they negotiate for wages and it takes years. You seem to think trade negotiations can happen immediately. Yup, the epitome of stupidity, like I called it and you are it LOL As for orange man saying "nothing doing"....that is his mantra even in the wars he has caused LOL Typical of the conservative LOSERS LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 47 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You are the epitome of what I said. Negotiations take a long time ...look at CUPE, look at PSAC, look at PIPSC...they negotiate for wages and it takes years. You seem to think trade negotiations can happen immediately. Yup, the epitome of stupidity, like I called it and you are it LOL As for orange man saying "nothing doing"....that is his mantra even in the wars he has caused LOL Typical of the conservative LOSERS LOL So nothing, glad I could help. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Legato said: So nothing, glad I could help. Nothing?? LOL With professional help you can learn to read...but understanding will take a lot more 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Nothing?? LOL With professional help you can learn to read...but understanding will take a lot more You speaking from experience or falling back on your heavy involvement with nothing? 1 Quote
August1991 Posted May 11 Author Report Posted May 11 13 hours ago, Legato said: Well I agree the Carney is very good at doing nothing. After all, it does take a lot of expertise, time and energy to fully accomplish nothing. No doubt he will continue the good work of doing nothing. ... Legato, I tend to agree. Carney is good at being top-dog - but he is a leader? Our federal Liberals seem to think so. 1 Quote
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