TreeBeard Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: Why would it not get carte blanche in the region...everyone else gets carte blanche......why not Israel That’s not the way Western democracies are supposed to operate. We aren’t supposed to be even worse than the people we’re fighting. Are we? Do you just deny the principle that we’re supposed to strive to be better? Quote
Army Guy Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: That’s not the way Western democracies are supposed to operate. We aren’t supposed to be even worse than the people we’re fighting. Are we? Do you just deny the principle that we’re supposed to strive to be better? I can list a dozen conflicts which would prove you wrong....Iraq one and two, Afghanistan, etc etc... I take you you have not been in a conflict....their are very little in the ways of rules...for the most part the objective is to kill more of them in as quick as you can....I'll give you an example WWII Dresden fire bombings, Hiroshima ....B-52 bombing strikes in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan...Are we better....Sorry but there is no nice way to kill, but killing the most is how you win....And the west is pretty good at killing....In the history books we look like the guys in white, in reality we are as soaked in blood as the next guy....You want to get rid of Hamas you need to kill large amounts of them, plus destroy their support net work....their charities, their supply chain, their training grounds, entire chain of command, anyone that provides them with anything... hunt them down like dogs....24/7.... Nobody is asking you to like it....or even approve of it....You don't have to live in their shoes, because if you did you would have a much different mind set... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 2 hours ago, John Stone said: .............. try these, might help ya see reality. 😁 If they are what you are using, clearly not. Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: That’s not the way Western democracies are supposed to operate. We aren’t supposed to be even worse than the people we’re fighting. Are we? Do you just deny the principle that we’re supposed to strive to be better? So… you think Israel is worse than Hamas now? Israel IS fighting this war following more principles than those they are fighting against. 32 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is asking you to like it....or even approve of it....You don't have to live in their shoes, because if you did you would have a much different mind set... I agree with your sentiment, but even then, Israel IS fighting this war doing more than just about anyone if not everyone to avoid just killing civilians. 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 12 hours ago, User said: How does Israel fight and win against Hamas? Do you even support that? Answering a question with a question. As usual, you can't engage the logic so instead you deflect and try to change the subject. Here's a real question: What does your question have to do with the one I asked? The logic doesn't follow. 🤡 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
TreeBeard Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 9 hours ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is asking you to like it....or even approve of it....You don't have to live in their shoes, because if you did you would have a much different mind set... Would you target children’s schools if it would win a war quicker? 1 Quote
John Johnston Posted April 29 Author Report Posted April 29 17 hours ago, John Stone said: .............. try these, might help ya see reality. 😁 🤣😎 Quote
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 (edited) 9 hours ago, Moonbox said: Answering a question with a question. As usual, you can't engage the logic so instead you deflect and try to change the subject. Here's a real question: What does your question have to do with the one I asked? The logic doesn't follow. 🤡 It’s called a rhetorical device. Making a point with a question. You don’t have to answer it. The point is that your criticism would leave one to conclude that what you support is Hamas continuing to engage in daily terrorism killing, murdering, torturing, taking hostages, firing random missiles into civilian areas… because Israel can never fight a war perfect enough for you to defeat Hamas. They just have to live with… I mean, er, die with these conditions. 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Would you target children’s schools if it would win a war quicker? Do you support putting missiles, arms, and tunnels under schools? Edited April 29 by User Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 1 hour ago, User said: It’s called a rhetorical device. Making a point with a question. You don’t have to answer it. No that's called a non-sequitur. I asked you a very straightforward, yes or no question, and the only response you could muster was to ask me a question of your own that has no relevance to the one I asked, and that I'm apparently not even expected to answer. That's also called running away. 1 hour ago, User said: The point is that your criticism would leave one to conclude that what you support is Hamas continuing to engage in daily terrorism killing, murdering, torturing, taking hostages, firing random missiles into civilian areas… because Israel can never fight a war perfect enough for you to defeat Hamas. They just have to live with… I mean, er, die with these conditions. This braindead logic only works under the mistaken belief that you can only be critical of one side at a time. Any criticism of Israel, according to your logic, demonstrates full-hearted support for Hamas' terrorism? Is that how this works for you? If that's the case, then why can't you just answer the question: Did the October 7th attack give Israel carte-blanche to do whatever they want in the region, and make them immune to criticism? 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: No that's called a non-sequitur. I asked you a very straightforward, yes or no question, and the only response you could muster was to ask me a question of your own that has no relevance to the one I asked, and that I'm apparently not even expected to answer. That's also called running away. No, you didn’t ask me anything. Can you not keep up with whom you are talking to? I already explained the relevance and f my questions. You can’t respond to that, same as when I point out your duplicity when it comes to Ukraine, so you run away. 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: This braindead logic only works under the mistaken belief that you can only be critical of one side at a time. Any criticism of Israel, according to your logic, demonstrates full-hearted support for Hamas' terrorism? Is that how this works for you? If that's the case, then why can't you just answer the question: Did the October 7th attack give Israel carte-blanche to do whatever they want in the region, and make them immune to criticism? It is not mere criticism though. Of course you can be critical of them both. Of course you can criticize both… but to what end? Which is exactly why I ask what you expect them to do or if in the end you even support their actions, you just wish it could be a bit better. It’s like if your home was on fire and your family and you were trapped inside. It is life or death. The fire department shows up, and they carry you all out to safety, but on the way they smash your kids head into the wall as they frantically try to get you all out. Yeah, you can criticize them… that was awful, maybe they should have been more careful, but in the end you still wanted them to carry you to safety and recognize while a mistake, in the context of what was going on and the chaos, they still saved your lives. I think that isn’t what you are doing here though, you are saying, no, they should have left you to die because too many mistakes will be made trying to save you… Only, it’s not your family being saved, it’s Israeli families half a world away you have nothing really vested in caring about. Israel isn’t doing whatever it wants to do, they are not immune from criticism, and this thread wasn’t about mere criticism it was about conspiratorial BS on the war being started and prolonged to keep Netanyahu out of prison. So… can you admit that or just gonna keep playing your stupid games and/or run away like you almost always do? Edited April 29 by User Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 14 minutes ago, User said: No, you didn’t ask me anything. Can you not keep up with whom you are talking to? I asked Army Guy, and you responded for him, with a question of your own - and a non-sequitur at that. If you don't want the question redirected to you, then don't respond to it? 🤡 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I asked Army Guy, and you responded for him, with a question of your own - and a non-sequitur at that. If you don't want the question redirected to you, then don't respond to it? 🤡 You never redirected it to me… you merely accused me of not answering a question not asked of me as if it were. Now you are hiding from your own stupidity. Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, User said: You never redirected it to me… you merely accused me of not answering a question not asked of me as if it were. Now you are hiding from your own stupidity. You quoted my question and responded directly to it, with a retarded question of your own. I subsequently repeated my question, directly to you, and I even bolded it for you. In what batshit fantasy world do imagine the question wasn't redirected to you? You're embarrassing yourself...again.🤡 Edited April 29 by Moonbox 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You quoted my question and responded directly to it, with a retarded question of your own. I subsequently repeated my question, directly to you, and I even bolded it for you. In what batshit fantasy world do imagine the question wasn't redirected to you? You're embarrassing yourself...again.🤡 No, you first accused me of not answering the question you asked someone else… I never not answered it because it wasn’t directed to me. Even after you bolded another question to me… I answered that. You ignored all that to play this stupid game. It’s all you do anymore. As soon as whatever dumbass position of yours gets called out, you pivot to these obfuscation games to argue about the semantics of the argument. Edited April 29 by User Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 1 minute ago, User said: No, you first accused me of not answering the question you asked someone else… No I accused you of answering the question with a question: I then repeated the question and addressed it directly to you, and you've predictably refused to answer. Please re-imagine this conversation more and give us more laughs. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 34 minutes ago, Moonbox said: No I accused you of answering the question with a question: It wasn’t a question posed to me… 35 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I then repeated the question and addressed it directly to you, and you've predictably refused to answer. Wrong again. Try rereading the whole thing this time… Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 (edited) The exchange is posted clearly here. Anyone can just scroll up and read it. It doesn't really matter if you have a make-believe version of it compiled in your little head. The funniest thing about all of this is that despite all your protests otherwise, you've been asked the same question now like 3 or 4 times, directly, and you still won't answer it: Did the October 7th attack give Israel carte-blanche to do whatever they want in the region, and make them immune to criticism? Being the intellectual coward that you are, you'll squeal and complain and do everything you can to change the subject. The bottom line is that you don't like the question and can't address it, so instead you RUN AWAY. 🤡👍 Edited April 29 by Moonbox 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 38 minutes ago, Moonbox said: The exchange is posted clearly here. Anyone can just scroll up and read it. It doesn't really matter if you have a make-believe version of it compiled in your little head. The funniest thing about all of this is that despite all your protests otherwise, you've been asked the same question now like 3 or 4 times, directly, and you still won't answer it: Did the October 7th attack give Israel carte-blanche to do whatever they want in the region, and make them immune to criticism? Being the intellectual coward that you are, you'll squeal and complain and do everything you can to change the subject. The bottom line is that you don't like the question and can't address it, so instead you RUN AWAY. 🤡👍 LOL You cowardly don’t even tag or quote me… once again, here is me responding to your question. You are such a pathetic turd. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 15 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Would you target children’s schools if it would win a war quicker? Lots of things and places have special status, meaning no one can target them deliberately, Schools are one of those places....how ever the Geneva convention is very clear on this If the enemy is using your example to operate in then Yes it is a legitimate military target...there are many other considerations that take place as well, Such as is their students in the school, then your options would need to be table topped to see different courses of action....They will pick the best option that offer the best results....ie dead terrorist, children safe...If the target is a high value target they "may" target the school regardless of who is in there....It is up to the commander in charge....keep in mind if the order is illegal then the entire kill chain could face charges. Most soldiers are trained before they go over seas on the rules of engagement, over and over and over again....and when in doubt ask...in a lot of cases you do need permission to engage a target... I just want to add this, Civilians regards of what conflict, always pay the highest price....and while tragic...it is war...most decisions are made on the fly, with no time to think and the outcome is not always a good one...Murphy's law rules what can go wrong normally does... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 On 4/28/2026 at 7:37 PM, User said: I agree with your sentiment, but even then, Israel IS fighting this war doing more than just about anyone if not everyone to avoid just killing civilians. Unfortunately the media does not show that aspect, it does not sell papers.....if it bleeds it leads, is their moto....the other side of the story is the people who read that sh!t fill in the blanks with their own imagination....not knowing the full story, but then again they don't want to know they need to justify their anger towards Israel and what they are doing... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Lots of things and places have special status, meaning no one can target them Like having a “carte blanche” to kill anyone you want disproportionately to what has happened, right? If they kill 2000, that doesn’t give you the right to kill 200,000. Quote
User Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 30 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Like having a “carte blanche” to kill anyone you want disproportionately to what has happened, right? If they kill 2000, that doesn’t give you the right to kill 200,000. The entire point of war is to kill the other guys disproportionately. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 20 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Like having a “carte blanche” to kill anyone you want disproportionately to what has happened, right? If they kill 2000, that doesn’t give you the right to kill 200,000. Have you ever read a history book, you make it sound like Israel invented this type of warfare, not true, everyone that has been involved in a conflict runs the same playbook........once war is declared, attrition is one of the main goals of war, .. forcing the other side to surrender and agree to "your" terms....that could be one death or millions...There are no rights, in war....very little rules, war is nothing but death, destruction, and more death....Governments decide how long wars last, or what is there surrender point...not soldiers....Your perception of war is that of a war movie... There are rules to warfare there is no carte blanche as you say there is...Everyone must follow the Geneva convention, inter national law and your own nations law....Everyone must follow them or face the courts....But i want to be clear here....you kill as many as you have to to make the other side surrender and agree to your terms....you don't want to have to do it all over next week....much like in Gaza.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted May 1 Report Posted May 1 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: But i want to be clear here....you kill as many as you have to to make the other side surrender and agree to your terms....you don't want to have to do it all over next week....much like in Gaza.... Yes, exactly. The whole notion of crying about it being disproportionate is either ignorance or purposeful deceit in motives. Like, is Israel supposed to randomly launch shitty missiles into Gaza randomly killing people up to the amount of Israelis killed? How dumb is that. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted May 1 Report Posted May 1 31 minutes ago, User said: Yes, exactly. The whole notion of crying about it being disproportionate is either ignorance or purposeful deceit in motives. Like, is Israel supposed to randomly launch shitty missiles into Gaza randomly killing people up to the amount of Israelis killed? How dumb is that. we need to let the liberals start going to war for the nation, just to show them the realities of war... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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