John Johnston Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 Discuss. Just now, John Johnston said: Discuss. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/magazine/benjamin-netanyahu-gaza-war.html Quote
herbie Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 Gee they coincide exactly like Trump's Ways to Stay Out of Jail Quote
John Stone Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 ............. remaining in power provides a degree of protection for Netanyahu, problem is his party has lost the majority - any new government would (again) rely on a coalition........... and the whip hand in choosing a PM would not be Likud. Calling an early election (before 4 years), on a successful conclusion of the Iran-US-Israel conflict would likely boost his and Likud popularity - maintaining close ties with the US is crucial tho not to mention the looming US midterms where a Left House majority could take the wheels off US support for Israel. Just-do-It Vance would (akin to Hungary - Orban) make a pilgrimage to Israel to support Netanyahu in any early election. Vance' presence in Israel would likely carry a lot of influence. A pardon is likely for Bibi, but to be eligible he needs to be out of power and be convicted of a crime. Early election sounds good, IF Trump can settle with Iran - in particular if the nuke dust can be reclaimed. I like to equate Netanyahu with Churchill........... Churchill saw the danger clearly (Nazi) ........calls for action (Sudetenland) ........ and rallies his ally (FDR - lead lease). Quote
User Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 A bunch of conspiratorial goons here, who completely want to forget what happened on October 7th to Israel and what Iran has spent decades doing, building up terror proxies around Israel that threaten them, and firing missiles into their country daily in support of Hamas. If any of you lived like that, having to run into bomb shelters daily, you would be crying like little girls wanting it to stop. Instead, you push this stupid BS. Maybe because you hate Jews, maybe because you have some incessant need to root for the little guy even when they are terrorist scum... who knows your motives or how your brain thinks, other than it is sick and wrong. Quote
John Stone Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 (edited) 18 minutes ago, User said: A bunch of conspiratorial goons here, who completely want to forget what happened on October 7th to Israel and what Iran has spent decades doing, building up terror proxies around Israel that threaten them, and firing missiles into their country daily in support of Hamas. If any of you lived like that, having to run into bomb shelters daily, you would be crying like little girls wanting it to stop. Instead, you push this stupid BS. Maybe because you hate Jews, maybe because you have some incessant need to root for the little guy even when they are terrorist scum... who knows your motives or how your brain thinks, other than it is sick and wrong. They say ignorance is a virtue? Can u provide ur seasoned opinion? 😁 Edited April 26 by John Stone Quote
User Posted April 26 Report Posted April 26 1 hour ago, John Stone said: They say ignorance is a virtue? Can u provide ur seasoned opinion? 😁 Feel free to actually respond to what I said... Quote
John Johnston Posted April 26 Author Report Posted April 26 4 hours ago, herbie said: Gee they coincide exactly like Trump's Ways to Stay Out of Jail Some definite parallels. Quote
John Stone Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 15 hours ago, User said: Feel free to actually respond to what I said... ........... feel free to explain how my txt is anti-Netanyahu. 🙄 Quote
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 2 hours ago, John Stone said: ........... feel free to explain how my txt is anti-Netanyahu. 🙄 Where did I say it was? Quote
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 (edited) 22 hours ago, User said: A bunch of conspiratorial goons here, who completely want to forget what happened on October 7th to Israel and what Iran has spent decades doing, building up terror proxies around Israel that threaten them, and firing missiles into their country daily in support of Hamas. Is October 7th carte-blanche for Israel to do whatever it pleases in the region, and make it immune to criticism? I was firmly in their corner when the conflict erupted and they went into Gaza. Years later, not so much. Edited April 27 by Moonbox 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 33 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Is October 7th carte-blanche for Israel to do whatever it pleases in the region, and make it immune to criticism? I was firmly in their corner when the conflict erupted and they went into Gaza. Years later, not so much. This thread isn’t about mere criticism, it’s pushing conspiratorial nonsense about starting and keeping wars going for personal motives to stay out of prison. Are you still firmly in Ukraines corner ignoring any/all actions they have engaged in that go beyond the pale to fight against Russia? Should they stop and give up now, as it has dragged on for years and just keeps going? Not so much? Quote
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 28 minutes ago, User said: This thread isn’t about mere criticism, it’s pushing conspiratorial nonsense about starting and keeping wars going for personal motives to stay out of prison. What's conspiratorial about it? He has multiple criminal cases against him, he's deeply unpopular, and diversionary wars are a time-honored tradition for leaders facing domestic problems. It's speculation, but not outlandish. 32 minutes ago, User said: Are you still firmly in Ukraines corner ignoring any/all actions they have engaged in that go beyond the pale to fight against Russia? Should they stop and give up now, as it has dragged on for years and just keeps going? Not so much? Notice how I asked you a question, and rather than answer it you tried to deflect and turn it back on me? 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 10 minutes ago, Moonbox said: What's conspiratorial about it? He has multiple criminal cases against him, he's deeply unpopular, and diversionary wars are a time-honored tradition for leaders facing domestic problems. It's speculation, but not outlandish. He isn’t a King, they are a Democracy comprised of other parts of the government, cabinet, advisors, leaders… they are all in on this big plan to start wars and keep them going just to keep him out of jail? It isn’t mere speculation. It’s absurd nonsense based on no facts. Of course, you think it’s just honest speculation to say the same about Zelensky? His not having elections… and not surrendering, are all just so he can stay in power? It’s just harmless speculation to say Zelensky is not a legitimate leader as his term expired! Right?! 16 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Notice how I asked you a question, and rather than answer it you tried to deflect and turn it back on me? Notice how I answered your question, which was about “criticism” by pointing out this thread wasn’t just about “criticism” Now you avoid the comparison I’m making because it is showing how your position is not consistent here. Quote
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 1 hour ago, User said: Notice how I answered your question, which was about “criticism” by pointing out this thread wasn’t just about “criticism” No, you did not. I asked you if October 7th gave Israel carte-blanche in the region, and if it made them immune to criticism. I just want an answer to that. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 51 minutes ago, Moonbox said: No, you did not. I asked you if October 7th gave Israel carte-blanche in the region, and if it made them immune to criticism. I just want an answer to that. You don’t get to pretend that pushing conspiratorial BS about the war(s) being about staying in power is mere criticism without getting called out for it. Quote
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 1 minute ago, User said: You don’t get to pretend that pushing conspiratorial BS about the war(s) being about staying in power is mere criticism without getting called out for it. And you still can't answer the question. It's remarkable how often you criticize people for running away when you can't help do it yourself...all the time. Why so afraid of answering a simple question? 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
John Johnston Posted April 27 Author Report Posted April 27 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: What's conspiratorial about it? He has multiple criminal cases against him, he's deeply unpopular, and diversionary wars are a time-honored tradition for leaders facing domestic problems. It's speculation, but not outlandish. Notice how I asked you a question, and rather than answer it you tried to deflect and turn it back on me? It's what they do unfortunately. Try turn everything around instead of having a discussion. Quote
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, Moonbox said: And you still can't answer the question. It's remarkable how often you criticize people for running away when you can't help do it yourself...all the time. Why so afraid of answering a simple question? I don’t have to answer a loaded question. Stop asking BS questions if you don’t want to have the BS called out. 3 minutes ago, John Johnston said: It's what they do unfortunately. Try turn everything around instead of having a discussion. What they do? You started this thread with a baseless assertion and said “discuss” Give me something to discuss, actually back up your assertion. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: No, you did not. I asked you if October 7th gave Israel carte-blanche in the region, and if it made them immune to criticism. I just want an answer to that. Why would it not get carte blanche in the region...everyone else gets carte blanche......why not Israel...Hamas killed 1200, took 250 hostages killing dozens of those hostages, ....plus wounding well over 2000...there is a price to be paid for that.....Israel had said it goals were to destroy Hamas, that has not been done yet....As for criticism nobody is free from criticism...but then again do you think anyone in Israel cares what is said...or who is saying it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
John Stone Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 17 hours ago, User said: This thread isn’t about mere criticism, it’s pushing conspiratorial nonsense about starting and keeping wars going for personal motives to stay out of prison. Are you still firmly in Ukraines corner ignoring any/all actions they have engaged in that go beyond the pale to fight against Russia? Should they stop and give up now, as it has dragged on for years and just keeps going? Not so much? ........ arguably Trump's second campaign was a last ditch strategy for him to remain out of jail (pardon notwithstanding) Little doubt that Trump saw 'Epic Fury' as a self stroke to win the Midterms. Quote
John Johnston Posted April 28 Author Report Posted April 28 1 hour ago, John Stone said: ........ arguably Trump's second campaign was a last ditch strategy for him to remain out of jail (pardon notwithstanding) Little doubt that Trump saw 'Epic Fury' as a self stroke to win the Midterms. Yep. Exactly what this has been about. Certainly not about the safety of Americans. Quote
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 3 hours ago, John Stone said: ........ arguably Trump's second campaign was a last ditch strategy for him to remain out of jail (pardon notwithstanding) Little doubt that Trump saw 'Epic Fury' as a self stroke to win the Midterms. Little doubt? This is nothing more than the shit you pulled out of your ass. Quote
Moonbox Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: Why would it not get carte blanche in the region...everyone else gets carte blanche......why not Israel...Hamas killed 1200, took 250 hostages killing dozens of those hostages, ....plus wounding well over 2000...there is a price to be paid for that.....Israel had said it goals were to destroy Hamas, that has not been done yet....As for criticism nobody is free from criticism...but then again do you think anyone in Israel cares what is said...or who is saying it... So in your estimation, +250,000 casualties (+70,000 dead) and having your cities pounded into oblivion is what carte blanche means? 🤔 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: So in your estimation, +250,000 casualties (+70,000 dead) and having your cities pounded into oblivion is what carte blanche means? 🤔 How does Israel fight and win against Hamas? Do you even support that? Quote
John Stone Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 4 hours ago, User said: Little doubt? This is nothing more than the shit you pulled out of your ass. .............. try these, might help ya see reality. 😁 Quote
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