Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 43 minutes ago, User said: Folks like you and @Michael Hardner had all the time in the world for it back then and still do when it comes to pushing this… but when this study, anything really, comes up that opposes this madness… it’s oh wow, why are you even talking about this? This isn’t a big deal… nothing to see here! Since you weren't hear 5-10 years ago, how can you even say that? You're just projecting your own partisan hackery on others, while refusing to engage the actual logic. If it even matters for you, I don't support gender-affirming care for minors. I don't support gender affirming surgery on the public dime for anyone. I don't support trans athletes in women's sports. What does that do to you're feeble attempt at an argument now? You're not actually making points against Hardner here. He's not even making arguments against the Finnish study. He's pointing out how curious it is that the science matters now that this one study says something the monkeys want to hear, when the science never seemed to matter before. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 16 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Since you weren't hear 5-10 years ago, how can you even say that? You're just projecting your own partisan hackery on others, while refusing to engage the actual logic. It’s an observation in general, not specific to this forum. What logic am I refusing to engage in? You are pushing just as much your own partisan hackery. 17 minutes ago, Moonbox said: If it even matters for you, I don't support gender-affirming care for minors. I don't support gender affirming surgery on the public dime for anyone. I don't support trans athletes in women's sports. What does that do to you're feeble attempt at an argument now? It just means you enjoy quibbling with me over semantic nonsense because you think you have a gotcha moment. Eventually you will run away like always. At least you have some sanity on this subject… to an extent. I’ve encountered folks like you who say what you do, but will still go along with all the madness never really opposing it or speaking out against it. Which isn’t a whole lot better… 19 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You're not actually making points against Hardner here. I am. This is his normal schtick he engages in as well as others like him. Calling him out for it. But of course, you don’t support this stuff, right? So… 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 27 Author Report Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: The tide turned because of one study...from Finland? Mike's point was pretty clear. You've already made up your mind. The studies are only relevant to you when they show you what you want to see. You aren't particularly interested in the dozens of studies showing the opposite now, are you? The problem is they don't. As noted in this one and has been commented before, all of the other studies are extremely unuseful. Very small subject groups over very small periods of time. You didn't read this did you. Let me guess, you figured it would say something you didn't want to hear so you ignored it in an effort to maintain your confirmation bias, and then accused others of confirmation bias .LOL seriously dude. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 46 minutes ago, User said: It’s an observation in general, not specific to this forum. Right, so rather than debate the actual poster and his points, you've chosen to debate with a vague projection you came up with...not specific to this forum. FFS. 🫠 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 11 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Right, so rather than debate the actual poster and his points, you've chosen to debate with a vague projection you came up with...not specific to this forum. FFS. 🫠 I addressed the usual drivel he shares, regarding how he is focused on bigger things… Quote
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 30 minutes ago, User said: I addressed the usual drivel he shares, regarding how he is focused on bigger things… No, you literally just projected vaguely against "you guys", failed to address a single point he made, and then obliviously and ironically reinforced what he was saying by proclaiming that the "tides had changed" because of one Finnish study. You couldn't have faceplanted better if you tried. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 11 minutes ago, Moonbox said: No, you literally just projected vaguely against "you guys", failed to address a single point he made, and then obliviously and ironically reinforced what he was saying by proclaiming that the "tides had changed" because of one Finnish study. You couldn't have faceplanted better if you tried. Like usual, you want to play some endless dumb semantics game and eventually you run away. 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 14 minutes ago, User said: Like usual, you want to play some endless dumb semantics game and eventually you run away. Semantic gymnastics is your specialty, not mine. You've been caught yet again spinning useless straw and projecting against vague "you guys" rather than debating in substance or specificity. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: You're not actually making points against Hardner here. He's not even making arguments against the Finnish study. He's pointing out how curious it is that the science matters now that this one study says something the monkeys want to hear, when the science never seemed to matter before. You're one of the rare posters who have figured out my angle on this stuff. It's the public sphere. How do we deal with controversial, strange, impactful, expensive, or generally politically divisive issues? If we don't do that honestly and giving the other side a bit of the benefit of the doubt, we're hurting ourselves. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Semantic gymnastics is your specialty, not mine. You've been caught yet again spinning useless straw and projecting against vague "you guys" rather than debating in substance or specificity. No, you can’t understand generalization in one specific comment and now all you can do is cry about that. 1 Quote
User Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: It's the public sphere. How do we deal with controversial, strange, impactful, expensive, or generally politically divisive issues? If we don't do that honestly and giving the other side a bit of the benefit of the doubt, we're hurting ourselves. LOL, in the other thread, you just admitted to hiding from me because I don't respect your opinions. OMG ROFL I guess that is how you deal with these things. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 35 minutes ago, User said: LOL, in the other thread, you just admitted to hiding from me because I don't respect your opinions. OMG ROFL I guess that is how you deal with these things. If you don't see me, it doesn't mean I'm hiding. I might just not be around. 🙂 @Moonbox another weird thing is that people hardly ever comment about the public sphere. It's like they don't believe it exists. Therefore I must be a liar.. 🤷 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
User Posted April 28 Report Posted April 28 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: If you don't see me, it doesn't mean I'm hiding. I might just not be around. 🙂 That's the thing about sticking your head in the sand... I can still see you the whole time. 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 On 4/27/2026 at 3:41 PM, Michael Hardner said: You're one of the rare posters who have figured out my angle on this stuff It's less of an angle and more of a minimum baseline for thoughtful debate. On 4/27/2026 at 3:41 PM, Michael Hardner said: If we don't do that honestly and giving the other side a bit of the benefit of the doubt, we're hurting ourselves. It's all or nothing politics, and it makes everyone stupider. This thread is a great example. You point out the cherry picked nature of the data presented and the selective bias in posting it, and now you're one of "those people" who've been pushing gender politics on everyone for the last 10 years. If you're not on THIS side, then you're on THAT side, and there's nothing in between. It's good or bad. There is no nuance. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: It's less of an angle and more of a minimum baseline for thoughtful debate. It's all or nothing politics, and it makes everyone stupider. This thread is a great example. You point out the cherry picked nature of the data presented and the selective bias in posting it, and now you're one of "those people" who've been pushing gender politics on everyone for the last 10 years. If you're not on THIS side, then you're on THAT side, and there's nothing in between. It's good or bad. There is no nuance. Well, except for the fact that he does in fact have a side on this issue. It’s not the first discussion we have had or he has been a part of… and you left out his dismissive comment on why are we even talking about this… The usual obfuscation tactic from people on that side of this issue. Edited April 29 by User 1 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: There is no nuance. More importantly, there's no discussion. When presented with some facts, some information, or an article... First thing you do is speed through it to figure out who's a liberal and who's a conservative then take the side of the person whose ideology best matches yours. This is a both sides thing. For the whole trans question, it's a brand new issue so people are all over the place on this. Is it a freedom issue? A safety issue? It doesn't matter. Find the person in the article who matches your ideology and show why they are right and the others are wrong. When something new comes up, you have to discuss it to figure out how to address it... But the method of people on this board is never to share ideas or opinions... It's to moralize, to point fingers, and to make yourself better than the others. It's pretty sh1tty game and a waste of a web board. If you try to push towards debate, good number of people will call you a game player because you're not playing their game. Others will call you a liar, I'm not sure why. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
User Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: It doesn't matter. Find the person in the article who matches your ideology and show why they are right and the others are wrong. Well, when you can’t actually defend your position on the subject, you can always try to mischaracterize others instead. You don’t even have enough balls to do it directly to anyone here you think is doing this because once again, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself or articulate your point to back it up. You will just make it a hasty generalization instead. So much easier. Quote
Moonbox Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: It's pretty sh1tty game and a waste of a web board. If you try to push towards debate, good number of people will call you a game player because you're not playing their game. Others will call you a liar, I'm not sure why. It's emotional immaturity. Responding calmly to someone who has trouble managing their frustration and anger makes them look silly. They try to drag you down into the muck with them, and they'll escalate to get the desired reaction. When their arguments are weak, the insults and accusations are fight-or-flight responses to having their logic challenged and to avoid humiliation. This forum used to be a place for policy wonks and folks really interested in politics. We used to actually debate here, and there used to be standards and moderation. Now it's a toilet full of no-life 4chan trolls whose behavior would get them banned even on reddit. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted April 29 Report Posted April 29 56 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Now it's a toilet full of no-life 4chan trolls whose behavior would get them banned even on reddit. If you use ignore, it's a small forum with a handful of thoughtful folks... some of which you agree with and some of which you don't. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted April 29 Author Report Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: It's emotional immaturity. Responding calmly to someone who has trouble managing their frustration and anger makes them look silly. They try to drag you down into the muck with them, and they'll escalate to get the desired reaction. When their arguments are weak, the insults and accusations are fight-or-flight responses to having their logic challenged and to avoid humiliation. This forum used to be a place for policy wonks and folks really interested in politics. We used to actually debate here, and there used to be standards and moderation. Now it's a toilet full of no-life 4chan trolls whose behavior would get them banned even on reddit. You literally only ever show up here To insult other people and complain about the posts. I've never seen you start a topic i've never seen you contribute meaningfully to a topic and even this conversation is you and Michael who also doesn't contribute very much whining about the other people instead of actually contributing Your hypocrisy is absolutely stunning 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonbox Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: If you use ignore, it's a small forum with a handful of thoughtful folks... some of which you agree with and some of which you don't. It's a VERY small forum if you do that, and the threads still get derailed by the same handful of noisy screechers. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted April 30 Author Report Posted April 30 53 minutes ago, Moonbox said: It's a VERY small forum if you do that, and the threads still get derailed by the same handful of noisy screechers. Sure. You should leave. I realize I'm interrupting you do derailing this thread to say that 2 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: If you use ignore, it's a small forum with a handful of thoughtful folks... some of which you agree with and some of which you don't. Run away and hide! Quote
CdnFox Posted April 30 Author Report Posted April 30 15 minutes ago, User said: Run away and hide! Well this is what the left is like these days. An intelligent person can hear views they disagree with and cope, but those on the left feel the need to lock out any dissenting views. Plus mike reads my stuff all the time anyway and frequently comments on it, but when i ask a tough question or the like he claims "oh sorry you were on ignore" LOL Moon box is no better. He's just cranky right now because instead of picking a fight with me which he usually does he picked one with Goddess and she cleaned his clock and made him look bad every bit as fast as i usually do. If that guy were half as smart as he thinks he is he'd still be twice as smart as he actually is. So you get the two of them derailing a thread while railing about how SOME People derail threads. Gosh if only there was some way of finding these people (holds up mirror for them) They're both pretty dishonest, and dishonest people HAVE to limit their exposure to honest people if they're going to maintain the illusion that they're relevant. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonbox Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well this is what the left is like these days. An intelligent person can hear views they disagree with and cope, but those on the left feel the need to lock out any dissenting views. Plus mike reads my stuff all the time anyway and frequently comments on it, but when i ask a tough question or the like he claims "oh sorry you were on ignore" LOL Moon box is no better. He's just cranky right now because instead of picking a fight with me which he usually does he picked one with Goddess and she cleaned his clock and made him look bad every bit as fast as i usually do. If that guy were half as smart as he thinks he is he'd still be twice as smart as he actually is. So you get the two of them derailing a thread while railing about how SOME People derail threads. Gosh if only there was some way of finding these people (holds up mirror for them) They're both pretty dishonest, and dishonest people HAVE to limit their exposure to honest people if they're going to maintain the illusion that they're relevant. It's hard to imagine you fitting more oblivious hypocrisy and clueless emotional projection into a single response, but my favorite part is about the derailing threads. You derailed this thread on the first page...you did that...in your own thread. 🤣👌 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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