bush_cheney2004 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 Often asked by U.S. presidents: Where are the Carriers? Here is the status of all eleven Nimitz class carriers, just in case Iran wants to know. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/where-are-americas-aircraft-carriers-now-ps010126 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: Where exactly did I claim victory for Iran? I said they have the US by the short hairs, which is undeniable. The rest of your typical 'leftist' rant and devotion to Trump, whatever.... Make no mistake: the current regime in Iran is f'd if they think there will be a tax on the Strait of Hormuz. Iran has nothing on the US and no path to any kind of victory in this war. 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Often asked by U.S. presidents: Where are the Carriers? Here is the status of all eleven Nimitz class carriers, just in case Iran wants to know. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/where-are-americas-aircraft-carriers-now-ps010126 11 Nimitz class? Damn. I dodn't know they had that many. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I knew you'd be all over this... Can always count on the red hats 😂 Yes, it's undeniable that Iran has your guy by the short hairs, and no I'm not cheering for Iran. The circumstances are what they are... "Iran is doing a very poor job, dishonorable some would say, of allowing Oil to go through the Strait of Hormuz. That is not the agreement we have!" he wrote. How does this have Trump by the short hairs? I realize your brain is like scrambled eggs up there... but maybe you can make some sense and actually articulate something. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 11 Nimitz class? Damn. I dodn't know they had that many. My bad...Ford and Kennedy are a new class. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: My bad...Ford and Kennedy are a new class. Well, I just googled it and there are apparently ten, so it's not like you were way off. And the Ford is the largest carrier in the world, so it's understandable that you'd think it was a Nimitz. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 Democrats lose again on war powers resolution attempt...just can't stop that pesky Trump: Quote House Republicans thwarted an attempt by Democrats to pass a war powers resolution on Thursday that would block President Trump unilaterally restarting hostilities with Iran. Why it matters: The vote would have been largely symbolic — the measure faces an uphill battle in the Senate and could be vetoed by Trump – but Democrats are desperate to show voters they are using every tool at their disposal to end the war. https://www.axios.com/2026/04/09/trump-iran-democrat-congress-war-powers-vote Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Make no mistake: the current regime in Iran is f'd if they think there will be a tax on the Strait of Hormuz. Iran has nothing on the US and no path to any kind of victory in this war. For a clown from Langley you talk pretty tough American speak... Iran obviously can't go toe to toe with the US militarily, but they sure have found an effective way to pressure Trump. 1 Quote
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: For a clown from Langley you talk pretty tough American speak... Iran obviously can't go toe to toe with the US militarily, but they sure have found an effective way to pressure Trump. They didn't find anything, and it has nothing unique to do with Trump. Threatening the Strait has ALWAYS been something they could do, they did not find this. It is not unique to Trump. Hell, if this is the stupidity you are playing, Trump is the one who didn't let that stop him from doing what needed to be done. While you and the other pansies around the world cry and cower because of it, hell, you have some countries throwing away their NATO alliance to side with Iran over it and you are on here cheering that on. So, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth here, as usual, the only underlying principle to your crap is that you hate Trump. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 7 minutes ago, User said: They didn't find anything, and it has nothing unique to do with Trump. Threatening the Strait has ALWAYS been something they could do, they did not find this. It is not unique to Trump. Hell, if this is the stupidity you are playing, Trump is the one who didn't let that stop him from doing what needed to be done. While you and the other pansies around the world cry and cower because of it, hell, you have some countries throwing away their NATO alliance to side with Iran over it and you are on here cheering that on. So, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth here, as usual, the only underlying principle to your crap is that you hate Trump. Why the problem with facts? Are you really that numb to think that Trump knew they were going to play the Strait against the global economy and in particular your inflation like they have? Again, no I'm not cheering Iran, and so what if I don't like Trump. It doesn't change the facts. Quote
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Why the problem with facts? Are you really that numb to think that Trump knew they were going to play the Strait against the global economy and in particular your inflation like they have? Again, no I'm not cheering Iran, and so what if I don't like Trump. It doesn't change the facts. What facts do you think I have a problem with? Your skewed characterization of things is not fact. The issue was not whether I was numb to thinking about what Trump knew. Quote
paxamericana Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: 11 Nimitz class? Damn. I dodn't know they had that many. That's just the fleet carrier. America have amphibious assault type carriers as well. I would argue America's true military strength isn't just in her Carrier. It's actually our oversea deployed forces, their airwing and civilian aviation program. We can bring to bear a fully equipped fighting force of tens of thousands anywhere in the world within a few days. Hours if that location has a working runway. Edited April 10 by paxamericana 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 23 minutes ago, User said: What facts do you think I have a problem with? Your skewed characterization of things is not fact. The issue was not whether I was numb to thinking about what Trump knew. You're denying this isn't causing Trump problems at home politically and abroad diplomatically? I've skewed nothing. It is what it is. Quote
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: You're denying this isn't causing Trump problems at home politically and abroad diplomatically? I've skewed nothing. It is what it is. Denying what? I explained how you skewed this. You avoided that. The difference between us is that I actually forumulate an actual coherent thought. I don't just make a vague, baseless assertion. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 11 minutes ago, User said: Denying what? I explained how you skewed this. You avoided that. The difference between us is that I actually forumulate an actual coherent thought. I don't just make a vague, baseless assertion. I'm not playing chase the question with you. Play stupid if you choose. Your guy is taking shots, but that's part of war, right. Quote
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 Just now, LinkSoul60 said: I'm not playing chase the question with you. Play stupid if you choose. Your guy is taking shots, but that's part of war, right. Its your stupid assertion that I am denying something. Stop making vague, baseless assertions. It is not my game to point out the stupid, dishonest games you play. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 1 minute ago, User said: Its your stupid assertion that I am denying something. Stop making vague, baseless assertions. It is not my game to point out the stupid, dishonest games you play. I haven't asserted anything. Whatever I've said is facts that you don't like. It is what it is... Quote
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I haven't asserted anything. Whatever I've said is facts that you don't like. It is what it is... Do you ever stop being dumb? Feel free to go back and actually respond to any of this directly if you can. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, User said: Do you ever stop being dumb? Feel free to go back and actually respond to any of this directly if you can. I have nothing to look back at or respond to. Iran's playing this one out the only way they can and it's effective. That's war... Quote
User Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 20 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I have nothing to look back at or respond to. Iran's playing this one out the only way they can and it's effective. That's war... Your original assertion here was not a vague claim that this was "effective" As usual, you have nothing of substance. Quote
Venandi Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: Are you really that numb to think that Trump knew they were going to play the Strait against the global economy... I'm astounded. Clearly I'm hanging out with the wrong crowd because I have to come here to actually be astounded. BTW, it's only a handful of people (that I didn't previously believe even existed IRL) who can accomplish it on a routine basis. So there's that I guess... congrats. -That said, do you actually believe that the Strait didn't factor (and factor prominently) in all assessments and situation estimates? -That it didn't LEAP OUT as one of a list of potential problems associated with any unilateral action on the part of Israel? -That military planners had no clue it existed and were caught off guard by the fact that the Gulf actually contained water? -Do you actually think that right now US Admirals and Generals are scratching their heads saying "Arghhhh, who knew?" -That the US didn't actually anticipate that a conflict with Iran was pending (I'd say inevitable) and ramp up domestic production to record levels a year prior to it happening in anticipation of short term supply line constraints? Here you are calling other people "numb' when the only thing you have that seems to function at nominal output is your mouth. Edited April 10 by Venandi Quote
John Stone Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 10 hours ago, User said: Do you ever stop being dumb? Feel free to go back and actually respond to any of this directly if you can. An a/c carrier is great for projecting power - but international bases are even better. (Allies) This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 2025. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations. Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision. Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. Americans: This is the aircraft carrier Ford the largest ship in the United States Atlantic Fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship. Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call 10 hours ago, User said: Do you ever stop being dumb? Feel free to go back and actually respond to any of this directly if you can. An a/c carrier is great for projecting power - but international bases are even better. (Allies) This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 2025. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations. Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision. Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. Americans: This is the aircraft carrier Ford the largest ship in the United States Atlantic Fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship. Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call 10 hours ago, User said: Do you ever stop being dumb? Feel free to go back and actually respond to any of this directly if you can. An a/c carrier is great for projecting power - but international bases are even better. (Allies) This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 2025. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations. Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision. Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. Americans: This is the aircraft carrier Ford the largest ship in the United States Atlantic Fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship. Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 hours ago, Venandi said: I'm astounded. Clearly I'm hanging out with the wrong crowd because I have to come here to actually be astounded. BTW, it's only a handful of people (that I didn't previously believe even existed IRL) who can accomplish it on a routine basis. So there's that I guess... congrats. -That said, do you actually believe that the Strait didn't factor (and factor prominently) in all assessments and situation estimates? -That it didn't LEAP OUT as one of a list of potential problems associated with any unilateral action on the part of Israel? -That military planners had no clue it existed and were caught off guard by the fact that the Gulf actually contained water? -Do you actually think that right now US Admirals and Generals are scratching their heads saying "Arghhhh, who knew?" -That the US didn't actually anticipate that a conflict with Iran was pending (I'd say inevitable) and ramp up domestic production to record levels a year prior to it happening in anticipation of short term supply line constraints? Here you are calling other people "numb' when the only thing you have that seems to function at nominal output is your mouth. That's a lot of typing trying to defend the indefensible... From my comments what facts elude you... Is it Iran having the US by the short hairs right now, is it Trump scrambling daily to find an exit, is it the March inflation showing the highest YOY increase the US has seen in 2 years, is it the economic pain caused to the global economy, or is it the clear lack of strategy the US administration had? This NYT article is from one month ago today.... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/us/politics/how-trump-miscalculated-iran-response.html How Trump and His Advisers Miscalculated Iran’s Response to War In the lead-up to the U.S.-Israeli attack, President Trump downplayed the risks to the energy markets as a short-term concern that should not overshadow the mission to decapitate the Iranian regime. The extent of that miscalculation was laid bare in recent days, as Iran threatened to fire at commercial oil tankers transiting the Strait of Hormuz, the strategic choke point through which all ships must pass on their way out of the Persian Gulf. In response to the Iranian threats, commercial shipping has come to a standstill in the Gulf, oil prices have spiked, and the Trump administration has scrambled to find ways to tamp down an economic crisis that has triggered higher gasoline prices for Americans. The episode is emblematic of how much Mr. Trump and his advisers misjudged how Iran would respond to a conflict that the government in Tehran sees as an existential threat. Iran has responded far more aggressively than it did during last June’s 12-day war, firing barrages of missiles and drones at U.S. military bases, cities in Arab nations across the Middle East, and on Israeli population centers. U.S. officials have had to adjust plans on the fly, from hastily ordering the evacuation of embassies to developing policy proposals to reduce gas prices. After Trump administration officials gave a closed-door briefing to lawmakers on Tuesday, Senator Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, said on social media that the administration had no plan for the Strait of Hormuz and did “not know how to get it safely back open.” Inside the administration, some officials are growing pessimistic about the lack of a clear strategy to finish the war. But they have been careful not to express that directly to the president, who has repeatedly declared that the military operation is a complete success. So yeah.... clearly misjudged and not well planned. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 10 hours ago, User said: Your original assertion here was not a vague claim that this was "effective" As usual, you have nothing of substance. Facts are not assertions.... The fact is that Iran's strategy has been very effective. Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: For a clown from Langley you talk pretty tough American speak... Iran obviously can't go toe to toe with the US militarily, but they sure have found an effective way to pressure Trump. I know that you're not the kind of person who would ever say that to my face, but whatever. FYI it won't just be America going against the Iranian tariff. If there's one wy to unite the world against you it's to unilaterally make everyone pay more for gas. Iran already hit about 19 oil infrastructure targets and now they're trying to dip their beak into everyone else's well? They're f'd, and you're an id10t if you don't see it. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 13 hours ago, paxamericana said: That's just the fleet carrier. America have amphibious assault type carriers as well. I would argue America's true military strength isn't just in her Carrier. It's actually our oversea deployed forces, their airwing and civilian aviation program. We can bring to bear a fully equipped fighting force of tens of thousands anywhere in the world within a few days. Hours if that location has a working runway. Even the French have a Rapid Deployment Force or some such, that can put 60K soldiers anywhere in the world within two weeks. But the US just has this thing now where their soldiers just waste everyone with impunity, their planes take out everything in the sky and on the ground without getting so much as a scratch.... The US was looking like a paper tiger from 2021 - 2025, but they are sharp as a whip now. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.