CdnFox Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 4 hours ago, John Stone said: I think u would have to agree that it's becoming protracted (mission?? creep). Amusingly it's actually hard to say. There really was no actual statement initially as to what the actual goal of the exercise was or what it would look like when it was completed or how long that would take. Their messaging has been all over the place, and people have made assumptions and run with it in several different directions but none of it is actually what the gov't has said. The gov't has now said they expect it to be over in a matter of weeks, but they don't say what has to happen for it to 'be over'. Mean while they're threatening to 'unleash hell' if their demands aren't met but we don't know their demands and presumably they're not going to take actions to harm the people, the defense of the people was one of their reasons for entering this war as far as we can tell. It's like this weird version of that old meme " feeling cute, might delete this war later IDK." 4 hours ago, John Stone said: Out of control would likely include the price of oil, global economy, no end in sight, closure of Hormuz, spectre of Russia weighing in re: support, no control over Israel, no idea where the nuke fuel is stashed, public support. Meh, that just sounds like regular war to me. It's been a joke in Alberta going back to the 70s that they are "one mid east conflict away from financal prosperity". Conflicts are inherently unstable and that serve nature. This doesn't feel out of control to me yet. To me out of control happens when the conflict starts escalating and more and more country start dog piling in and things are becoming seriously worse. This isn't really any of that, it's just regular war which always sucks produces significant instabilities The big question in my mind is what's his plan for getting his fist and foot back from the tar baby. Somebody somewhere has a plan for that but was trump's personal interference that may make things better or significantly worse and there's absolutely no way to tell sitting here looking at it from the outside Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Stone Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Amusingly it's actually hard to say. There really was no actual statement initially as to what the actual goal of the exercise was or what it would look like when it was completed or how long that would take. Their messaging has been all over the place, and people have made assumptions and run with it in several different directions but none of it is actually what the gov't has said. The gov't has now said they expect it to be over in a matter of weeks, but they don't say what has to happen for it to 'be over'. Mean while they're threatening to 'unleash hell' if their demands aren't met but we don't know their demands and presumably they're not going to take actions to harm the people, the defense of the people was one of their reasons for entering this war as far as we can tell. It's like this weird version of that old meme " feeling cute, might delete this war later IDK." Meh, that just sounds like regular war to me. It's been a joke in Alberta going back to the 70s that they are "one mid east conflict away from financal prosperity". Conflicts are inherently unstable and that serve nature. This doesn't feel out of control to me yet. To me out of control happens when the conflict starts escalating and more and more country start dog piling in and things are becoming seriously worse. This isn't really any of that, it's just regular war which always sucks produces significant instabilities The big question in my mind is what's his plan for getting his fist and foot back from the tar baby. Somebody somewhere has a plan for that but was trump's personal interference that may make things better or significantly worse and there's absolutely no way to tell sitting here looking at it from the outside re: trump's personal interference that may make things better or significantly worse and there's absolutely no way to tell ..............indeed ........................... most are not optimistic Edited April 4 by John Stone Quote
CdnFox Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, John Stone said: re: trump's personal interference that may make things better or significantly worse and there's absolutely no way to tell ..............indeed ........................... most are not optimistic Well, let's keep it real. You don't like the guy and there's a certain level of bias in your opinion with regards to that And fair enough. It would be the wrong of me to suggest that there aren't legitimate concerns or that things appear to be going completely smoothly that's for sure Regardless, the ticks are indeed tocking and the midterms are coming, and while it looks like the dems don't have their crap together either he's got to be looking to put this behind him pretty soon. Edited April 4 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Stone Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 1 hour ago, User said: You clearly have never served a day in your life nor know anyone who has. Hell, you can’t even be bothered to understand the chain of command. When ur dead, u don't know ur dead......... All of the pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you're stupid. Carry on, trooper. 1 Quote
John Stone Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well, let's keep it real. You don't like the guy and there's a certain level of bias in your opinion with regards to that And fair enough. It would be the wrong of me to suggest that there aren't legitimate concerns or that things appear to be going completely smoothly that's for sure Regardless, the ticks are indeed tocking and the midterms are coming, and while it looks like the dems don't have their crap together either he's got to be looking to put this behind him pretty soon. Some would argue that Trump's giving the Dems their shit to put together - a gift. As of now I really don't think he has a clue of how to, 'put this behind him'? All bad options (for him) IMO. I believe his strategy was to provoke a rising of the masses tho, akin to Shicklegruber invading Russia, 1941, 'all we have to do is kick the door down' ............ the masses had learned their lesson earlier - martyrdom became less of a choice. Arguably Trump's greatest failure was either his failure re: Intel or his reluctance to believe what he was told. JCPOA will likely loom large in argument. (negotiated settlement - more fodder for the Left) Israel is really the wild card with any negotiated settlement with Iran. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 54 minutes ago, John Stone said: Some would argue that Trump's giving the Dems their shit to put together - a gift. As of now I really don't think he has a clue of how to, 'put this behind him'? All bad options (for him) IMO. I believe his strategy was to provoke a rising of the masses tho, akin to Shicklegruber invading Russia, 1941, 'all we have to do is kick the door down' ............ the masses had learned their lesson earlier - martyrdom became less of a choice. Arguably Trump's greatest failure was either his failure re: Intel or his reluctance to believe what he was told. JCPOA will likely loom large in argument. (negotiated settlement - more fodder for the Left) Israel is really the wild card with any negotiated settlement with Iran. Sure. Whether the Iran adventure was necessary or not, it's playing out as an unforced error that leaves an opening So far the dams don't seem organized enough to exploit it though. We'll see what happens Ask your suppositions anything is possible. But they're just suppositions and not necessarily supported by any observable facts. So while they may be logically sound as far as an argument goes we just don't know the truth. We'll have to see how this plays out Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
robosmith Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It can't be corrupt...it is constitutional as Commander in Chief. Says so on my commissioning documents. Doing it for corrupt reasons MAKES IT CORRUPT. 9 hours ago, Nationalist said: Lol...you're such a pansie. Brandon was a brainless dolt. Perhaps a relative of yours? As USUAL you don't know what you're talking about, dropout. Quote
robosmith Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 22 hours ago, robosmith said: ^NO EVIDENCE of "refuse to follow orders." Only thin skinned SoD fire generals for "criticism." Show us the public "criticism" 22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Too bad...so sad. They serve at the pleasure of the president. Trump - "You're FIRED !" Bye-bye STILL can't answer the questions. Because YOU WERE LYING? LMAO Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 (edited) 16 hours ago, John Stone said: George - what did he do again ............ no-one knows..... but likely had something to do with Petes paranoia re: HIS job. The details are not important..."losing confidence" is standard military jargon for relief of flag and command ranks...has been forever. President and SecWar made a decision and Gen. Kruse knows exactly what that means. Hell, I bet Kruse has relieved others of their job for similar reasons at some time in the past. Second, it is incumbent on a serving member in a leadership position to voluntarily resign if he/she cannot support the policies and decisions of the Commander in Chief. Edited April 5 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
John Stone Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 (edited) 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The details are not important..."losing confidence" is standard military jargon for relief of flag and command ranks...has been forever. President and SecWar made a decision and Gen. Kruse knows exactly what that means. Hell, I bet Kruse has relieved others of their job for similar reasons at some time in the past. Second, it is incumbent on a serving member in a leadership position to voluntarily resign if he/she cannot support the policies and decisions of the Commander in Chief. ................ the details are not important - the political spin is. It destroys morale. 2nd - Pentagon Pete fired George, not the C-in-C? Edited April 5 by John Stone Quote
John Johnston Posted April 5 Author Report Posted April 5 Oh well. Russia and China are loving America's little war. Trump has given Putin huge gifts. America defeats America. Quote
John Johnston Posted April 5 Author Report Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Oh well. Russia and China are loving America's little war. Trump has given Putin huge gifts. America defeats America. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-moves-putin-dream-plan-key-nato-ally-11773678 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Stone said: ................ the details are not important - the political spin is. It destroys morale. 2nd - Pentagon Pete fired George, not the C-in-C? Lots of things destroy morale...add this to the list. Even General George S. Patton himself (very popular with the troops) was fired by Ike for comments he made... Quote After the war ended, Patton, while military governor in Bavaria, complained to reporters about de-Nazification policies, saying Nazis were just like Democrats or Republicans, causing immense political backlash. C in C or SecWar...makes no difference...still chain of command...officers serve at their pleasure. Edited April 5 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
John Stone Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Lots of things destroy morale...add this to the list. Even General George S. Patton himself (very popular with the troops) was fired by Ike for comments he made... C in C or SecWar...makes no difference...still chain of command...officers serve at their pleasure. Patton .was temporarily removed from battlefield command after the publicity resulting from him slapping (2) shell shocked soldiers. He was re-assigned a KEY role in Operation Fortitude, the Allies military deception campaign for Overlord. The guy was crazy as a bedbug but a national hero – fearless – led from the front (literally). The men loved the crazy fkr and the krauts respected him for his leadership skills and by extension, morale leverage. Oh, indeed - lots of 'things' destroy morale, disrespect at a 'passing ceremony' by ur C-n-C for example. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 4 minutes ago, John Stone said: The guy was crazy as a bedbug but a national hero – fearless – led from the front (literally). The men loved the crazy fkr and the krauts respected him for his leadership skills and by extension, morale leverage. ...and he was fired. Just like all the rest...nothing special about General Kruse except political fodder for Trump's enemies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
John Stone Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ...and he was fired. Just like all the rest...nothing special about General Kruse except political fodder for Trump's enemies. Totally disagree - if u have the time investigate why George was fired. Pentagon Pete is concerned about HIS future. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 1 minute ago, John Stone said: Totally disagree - if u have the time investigate why George was fired. Pentagon Pete is concerned about HIS future. I don't care why Kruse was fired...or SecWar if that happens. It is the prerogative of the president to decide who he/she wants in such positions along with confirmation process. But because it was Trump, people throw a conniption fit. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
John Stone Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't care why Kruse was fired...or SecWar if that happens. It is the prerogative of the president to decide who he/she wants in such positions along with confirmation process. But because it was Trump, people throw a conniption fit. ............. are implying Trump fired George? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, John Stone said: ............. are implying Trump fired George? Trump can fire SecWar whenever he wants...I wonder how many Trump haters would cry about that ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
John Stone Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump can fire SecWar whenever he wants...I wonder how many Trump haters would cry about that ? ................I would suggest u be more objective. Trump haters???? I don't hate Trump ............. I think he is an insane idut! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 Just now, John Stone said: ................I would suggest u be more objective. Trump haters???? I don't hate Trump ............. I think he is an insane idut! I would suggest you be more objective...it isn't just about you. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Deluge Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 On 4/3/2026 at 7:29 AM, John Johnston said: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth dismissed Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse, citing a "loss of confidence" after an intelligence report contradicted President Trump's statements about U.S. strikes on Iran. Bashing Trump doesn't make me feel good, but it does keep me from losing my shit. -- J. Juanston Quote
John Johnston Posted April 5 Author Report Posted April 5 27 minutes ago, Deluge said: Bashing Trump doesn't make me feel good, but it does keep me from losing my shit. -- J. Juanston I love watching Trump and your MAGA bunch look like fools every time you open your mouths. Pure Comedy Gold. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote
Deluge Posted April 5 Report Posted April 5 14 minutes ago, John Johnston said: I love watching Trump and your MAGA bunch look like fools every time you open your mouths. Pure Comedy Gold. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You love riots and tranny parades. That's it. Quote
John Johnston Posted April 5 Author Report Posted April 5 7 minutes ago, Deluge said: You love riots and tranny parades. That's it. Your President is a Pedo and all you talk about is Tranny Stuff? I'm sensing a theme... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Maybe All Y'All do need conversion therapy? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote
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