Ground Invasion of Iran?

[paxamericana]

Marine expeditionary teams are now deployed to theater. Will there be a move to send boots on the ground? Possibly, a push into the coastal lowlands could help secure shipping lanes choke point especially combined with reconnaissance elements moving further out in country to disrupt drone and ballistic missile launchers. The question becomes for how long and is the cost worth it? North America is fairly insulated from oil price hikes but isn’t completely insulated as it does trade globally. 
 

This hasn’t been confirmed to be green lit but the implications are not ruled out. 
 

If we are to fight Iran I would prefer we rally the NATO deadbeat for a full ground invasion WWII style D-Day landing. You’re all paying for this conflict one way or another, best we get it done with the least amount of American lives lost. One other note; the US military has always maintained the capacity to fight 2 war simultaneously on two different oceans. So for the Chinese navy to make a move thinking they can take Taiwan while America is “distracted” is extremely unwise.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8gj9n12g8o

Edited March 14 by paxamericana

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think we will see large U.S. expeditionary troops in Iran, but smaller special forces missions are likely already underway.  With total air dominance secured, Israel and the U.S. can insert teams for specific tasks.   The U.S. has so called Tier 1 teams that train specifically for such missions and are directly controlled by the WH/SecWar with total deniability until years later.    Think Delta Force, DEVGRU Seal Team, STS, etc. and equivalent Israeli counterparts.

Example:  It was Delta Force under JSOC command that executed the capture of President Maduro in Venezuela back in January.   Supporting elements include the usual suspects, including CIA assets.

President Trump knows, like all presidents, that public support for ground troops and "body bags" for an Iran invasion would be a political disaster.

[John Stone]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I don't think we will see large U.S. expeditionary troops in Iran, but smaller special forces missions are likely already underway.  With total air dominance secured, Israel and the U.S. can insert teams for specific tasks.   The U.S. has so called Tier 1 teams that train specifically for such missions and are directly controlled by the WH/SecWar with total deniability until years later.    Think Delta Force, DEVGRU Seal Team, STS, etc. and equivalent Israeli counterparts.

Example:  It was Delta Force under JSOC command that executed the capture of President Maduro in Venezuela back in January.   Supporting elements include the usual suspects, including CIA assets.

President Trump knows, like all presidents, that public support for ground troops and "body bags" for an Iran invasion would be a political disaster.

Occupy Kharg Island - not destroying it  - destroying it is madness. 

Occupy Kharg Island and you achieve two objectives - retain Iran's economic base and .......... use the occupation as a bargaining chip - u control supply. 

Of course that's assuming Iran doesn't destroy it themselves - possible! 

 

Edited March 14 by John Stone

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Occupy Kharg Island

Yes I do think occupying parts of a few island(s) is a necessity to secure the strait.

Edited March 14 by paxamericana

[John Stone]

14 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yes I do think occupying parts of a few island(s) is a necessity to secure the strait.

Kharg is Iran's oil export facility - the country's economy? 

Trump's bombast about destroying the facility is madness. 

 

 

 

[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Kharg is Iran's oil export facility - the country's economy? 

Trump's bombast about destroying the facility is madness. 

 

 

 

The terminal are pumping station for tankers, the oil fields still lie deep within Iran. Occupying the island is not for oil, purely physical control of the strait, although with enough warships the same can be achieved.

[John Stone]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

The terminal are pumping station for tankers, the oil fields still lie deep within Iran. Occupying the island is not for oil, purely physical control of the strait, although with enough warships the same can be achieved.

................ let Iran stockpile reserve - who cares. 

The ability to EXPORT is where the power lies (leverage).

Today, as we speak, Iran is exporting oil.............. making a $$$$$$$$

 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Marine expeditionary teams are now deployed to theater. Will there be a move to send boots on the ground? Possibly, a push into the coastal lowlands could help secure shipping lanes choke point especially combined with reconnaissance elements moving further out in country to disrupt drone and ballistic missile launchers. The question becomes for how long and is the cost worth it? North America is fairly insulated from oil price hikes but isn’t completely insulated as it does trade globally. 
 

This hasn’t been confirmed to be green lit but the implications are not ruled out. 
 

If we are to fight Iran I would prefer we rally the NATO deadbeat for a full ground invasion WWII style D-Day landing. You’re all paying for this conflict one way or another, best we get it done with the least amount of American lives lost. One other note; the US military has always maintained the capacity to fight 2 war simultaneously on two different oceans. So for the Chinese navy to make a move thinking they can take Taiwan while America is “distracted” is extremely unwise.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8gj9n12g8o

The deployment of the marines are just another tactic, to make the Iranians deploy forces over wide areas to protect against a landing....much like Iraq. Using them to seize anything without the full weight of US/Israelis forces Army, navy, air force, would be a waste of lives....

Using SOF forces with maybe Rangers to seize key nuclear weapons facilities to ensure total destruction then pull out might be worth the risk.... Lets not forget Iranian ground forces still can project power enough to make a marine landing impossible...Start sending body's back to the US in large numbers and support for this campaign will be quickly over....A much better option would be to destroy those terminals from the air....Take their ability to rebuild their forces with oil revenues away for years...

It would take months to assemble any ground force by it American or NATO capable of penetrating Iranian ground forces, then there is convincing NATO this is a worth while endeavor, not to mention most of NATO is not equipped for such an event... they have let things go, since the last Gulf war....most of their landing equipment is obsolete , look at Britain's marine forces which are most likely the best you'll get and see the age of their equipment...France is a little better but smaller force....and then what do you follow up with, You might get a divisional size force out of the UK/ maybe one out of France, and maybe Germany....the bulk of the forces would have to be from the US...And again once bodies started to be returned to their countries support for the conflict would be gone...I think some are underestimating Iranian ground forces strengths.. and then the  Iranian people determination to support the bad guys..  

NATO is pretty good turning things into dust, but it sucks rebuilding anything, the last time they got it right was WWII and Germany/ Japan...

 

 

[paxamericana]

28 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

once bodies started to be returned to their countries support for the conflict would be gone

Or pay 10$ a gallon for gas? 30% of the world’s oil production transit that area. We’re all paying for this war one way or another, if the decision to glass the country is made we absolutely can do it.

If our people are forced to choose between an energy induced recession or liberate the Iranian people from their murderous regime, I know what I would pick.

Edited March 14 by paxamericana

[Army Guy]

Just now, paxamericana said:

Or pay 10$ a gallon for gas? 30% of the world’s oil production transit that area. We’re all paying for this war one way or another, if the decision to glass the country is made we absolutely can do it.

I was hoping for 20 dollars a gallon myself...it will boast our economy, and yours might kick some of this climate change freaks in the nuts, Spur more development of our oil and gas resources, get built more pipelines...and get resources to market....Might even kick Canada rearming into a higher gear...and while it does nothing for us now....it does have some benefits...Oh did i mention getting rid of the worlds number one terrorist regime, f##k ya i'm all in... 

[paxamericana]

27 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

getting rid of the worlds number one terrorist regime

Agreed

[John Stone]

19 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Agreed

regime change? 

[paxamericana]

36 minutes ago, John Stone said:

regime change? 

Sort of, job position opening. Anyone who isn’t allied with the Chinese and can do what the Americans want… like Canadians.

[Nationalist]

Keeping the straight...or anywhere on the Persian Gulf...secure for travel, will require 1 of 2 things.

1. Iran capitulation on bombing and mining the waterway.

2. A heavily manned and fortified presence along both sides of the waterway.

[John Stone]

An avid Canadian fisherman decides to cross the Peace Bridge and go over to Lewiston and fish the American side of the Niagara river.

He settles down on a quiet dock and begins to fill his bucket with some nice fish when an American game warden approaches him and says, "Could I see your fishing licence please?".

When he hands him his license, the game warden laughs and says that it is no good because it is a Canadian fishing licence.

At this point the fisherman replies "but I'm only catching Canadian fish".

The warden scratches his head for a moment and says "what do you mean?"
 

The fisherman reaches in his bucket and pulls out a fish and asks the warden "what kind of fish is that?".

The warden looks and says its a small mouth bass, to which the fisherman replies, "See what I mean, if it was an American fish it would be a Large mouth bass"

[LinkSoul60]

  1 hour ago,  John Stone said:

regime change? 

Absolutely it's time for a regime change!  Trump and his band of equally unqualified id!ots have proven to be monumental failures in this war, foreign relations, and domestic policies....it's time to go.  It's also time for some politicians to grow a spine and do their part in getting this useless POS out of office.

[John Stone]

................. to date?

A TARFU

but let us be optimistic(?) and hope it doesn't morph into a  FUBAR ......????

Well, are ya optimistic, punk?