The SAVE America ACT

[John Stone]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

LOL. 

 

irrelevant counselor

The fact is that in the U.S. illegal voting  is extremely rare and doesn't  affect federal election outcomes.

Of course the border should be secured - duh! 

 

 

[Deluge]

35 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I take that over the BS u seem to have a taste for. 

Juan Piedra will fight like hell for his dear friends, the illegal aliens. 

[Deluge]

Just now, John Stone said:

1. irrelevant counselor

2. The fact is that in the U.S. illegal voting  is extremely rare and doesn't  affect federal election outcomes.

3. Of course the border should be secured - duh! 

1. Oh no, more than relevant, senor; in fact it's f*cking critical. YOU (as in woketards) waved them in. 

2. Wrong. The fact that ANY illegal voting is happening is unacceptable. Plus it's more heads to count when electoral votes are being tallied, and you know blue states are eagerly counting ALL heads. 

3. That goes without saying, but since you're a liar, you have to say that to divert attention from your bullshit. 

 

[John Stone]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

1. Oh no, more than relevant, senor; in fact it's f*cking critical. YOU (as in woketards) waved them in. 

2. Wrong. The fact that ANY illegal voting is happening is unacceptable. Plus it's more heads to count when electoral votes are being tallied, and you know blue states are eagerly counting ALL heads. 

3. That goes without saying, but since you're a liar, you have to say that to divert attention from your bullshit. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

1. Oh no, more than relevant, senor; in fact it's f*cking critical. YOU (as in woketards) waved them in. 

2. Wrong. The fact that ANY illegal voting is happening is unacceptable. Plus it's more heads to count when electoral votes are being tallied, and you know blue states are eagerly counting ALL heads. 

3. That goes without saying, but since you're a liar, you have to say that to divert attention from your bullshit. 

 

[gatomontes99]

23 minutes ago, John Stone said:

........... ur being pissed on and they're telling u it's rainfall. 

The fact is that in the U.S. illegal voting  is extremely rare and doesn't  affect federal election outcomes.

How can you possibly know that? Seriously. We deidentify ballots for voter security so liberals can't use our ballot as a reason to attack us through the legal system as one example. 

27 minutes ago, John Stone said:

If 'Save America' has anything at all to do with illegal voting then it is only a coincidence. 

First u create the 'crisis' and then u ride in and solve the 'crisis'.  

fk'n brilliant. ........ but throughout history rinsed and repeated many times. 

u should be aware of that. 

You should be aware that you are parroting "facts' that are not facts:

Just facts - In 2014, the academic journal Electoral Studies published a groundbreaking study by three scholars who estimated how frequently non-citizens were illegally voting. Based on data for the 2008 presidential and congressional elections, the study found that:

    “roughly one quarter of non-citizens” in the U.S. “were likely registered to vote.”
    “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”
    81.8% of them “reported voting for Barack Obama.”
    illegal votes cast by non-citizens “likely” changed “important election outcomes” in favor of Democrats, “including Electoral College votes” and a “pivotal” U.S. Senate race that enabled Democrats to pass Obamacare.
The study’s voter registration rate was estimated with data from two key sources:

    A national survey in which 14.8% of non-citizens admitted that they were registered to vote.
    A database of registered voters that reveals what portion of the surveyed non-citizens “were in fact registered” even though “they claimed not to be registered.”
***********

At 18.6 million illegal aliens, 6% is 1 million illegal votes. 

So, is it a nonproblem? 

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

.............more hoops to jump thru.

This is all an attempt to suppress votes and provide an edge to winning the Mids

 

From a Canadian perspective, I've had to show ID at every election so far, including advanced polling on deployments... is Canada  racist state because of it?

From a US perspective, there's a thread here where RoboDuh asserts that conservatives have been scientifically proven to be stupid. That works out to (roughly) 63% of your military, 20% of blacks and 22% of hispanic voters. I say roughly because I don't care enough to look up the latest stats on it; but if you were looking to define racism in it's worst light, I'd suggest that's a good place to start.

Maybe you should consider the requirement for ID a gift...  the number of stupid conservatives clearly exceeds the estimates of those who don't have valid ID (most likely those stupid conservatives who can't figure out the application process) and it would effectively banish a bunch of MH's CHUDs from casting a Republican vote.... he would be the troll who scans posts here for insults prior to responding; I have the pleasure of being on his ignore list

 

Edited March 11 by Venandi

[John Stone]

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Oh no, more than relevant, senor; in fact it's f*cking critical. YOU (as in woketards) waved them in. 

2. Wrong. The fact that ANY illegal voting is happening is unacceptable. Plus it's more heads to count when electoral votes are being tallied, and you know blue states are eagerly counting ALL heads. 

3. That goes without saying, but since you're a liar, you have to say that to divert attention from your bullshit. 

 

Robust, state-level post-election checks and independent research consistently find only a handful to a few dozen proven or credible instances of noncitizen voting in modern elections.      An example is Michigan -15 cases out of more than 5.7 million ballot.

Nationally, long-running compilations and nonpartisan reviews highlight that proven cases across the years number in the dozens, not thousand or millions (gasp!)

The BIPARTISAN POLICY CENTER and others summarized only a few dozen  verified incidents and that     over long periods.

 

Ur being pi$$ed on and worse ............ ur carrying their water. 

Are u a 'flat earther'? 

[John Stone]

15 minutes ago, Venandi said:

From a Canadian perspective, I've had to show ID at every election so far, including advanced polling on deployments... is Canada  racist state because of it?

From a US perspective, there's a thread here where RoboDuh asserts that conservatives have been scientifically proven to be stupid. That works out to (roughly) 63% of your military, 20% of blacks and 22% of hispanic voters. I say roughly because I don't care enough to look up the latest stats on it; but if you were looking to define racism in it's worst light, I'd suggest that's a good place to start.

Maybe you should consider the requirement for ID a gift...  the number of stupid conservatives clearly exceeds the estimates of those who don't have valid ID (most likely those stupid conservatives who can't figure out the application process) and it would effectively banish a bunch of MH's CHUDs from casting a Republican vote.... he would be the troll who scans posts here for insults prior to responding; I have the pleasure of being on his ignore list

 

 

Who is debating whether u need to show I.D.

The debate is whether more stringent demands could be demanded by the state  if permitted  in statute. 

In  Kanada would  the requirement to bring ur BC or Passport be too stringent a demand as a condition to vote? 

Edited March 11 by John Stone

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, John Stone said:

 

We conquered you, kemosabe. You're welcome to self deport anytime you like.  

[Hodad]

55 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Real ID requires proof of citizenship. So, if your Driver's License has a star on it, you are a citizen.

 

Real ID has an additional cost 
Real ID IS NOT proof of citizenship

 

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If you have a passport, you are a citizen. If you have a SSN, a quick search in the federal database shows citizen or legal resident. 

None of this is hard. None of it is preventing legal citizens from getting registered to vote. None of it prevents legal citizens from voting. None of it adds a significant financial burden. In fact, 36 states have proof of citizenship and voter ID laws with no significant issues. 

There is no poll tax. There is no Jim Crowe 2.0 (we aren't democrats in the south). There is no suppression of married women (who tend to vote republican). 

Non citizens already aren't voting (virtually non-existent) so it damn sure is aimed at suppressing the votes of eligible citizens. That's the only effect it will have. 
Brennan Center
More than 21 million U.S. citizens of voting age don’t have proof of citizenship readily available. Only about half of American adults have a passport, and millions lack access to a paper copy of their birth certificate.

Meanwhile, From CATO & the Kock Brothers
Trump’s Claims About Noncitizens Voting Are False. We Can Prove It.

When confronted with allegations on noncitizens voting in Utah, Lt. Gov. Deidre Henderson, the state’s top election official, initiated a monthslong review of Utah’s approximately 2.1 million registered voters. She and her team found one “confirmed noncitizen.” Just one. And that one noncitizen, while registered, had never voted.

Idaho, a state of one million voters, ran similar tests in 2024, and they found 36 “very likely” registered noncitizens. That may seem like a lot until you view it in light of claims that statewide elections are altered by such anomalies. Some, but not all, of those 36 people have previously voted, the secretary of state, Phil McGrane, said, but “out of the million-plus registered voters we started with, we’re down to 10 thousandths of a percent” of the overall count — not even close to affecting the outcome.

Louisiana’s investigation in 2025 netted some 390 noncitizen registrants, 79 of whom had voted in at least one election over the last several decades (out of 2.9 million registrants). Just a few weeks ago, Montana found 23 possible noncitizen registrants (out of approximately 785,000 people registered). And Georgia, in some ways the model for these investigations, found in its 2024 audit 20 registered noncitizens (out of 8.2 million registrations). In my four years in office in Maricopa County overseeing voter registration, I came across a total of two possible instances of noncitizens voting out of some 2.5 million registered voters.

The first step to ending democracy is to undermine faith in the voting process. Trump did exactly that, and look how quickly you sheep have lined up, ready to disenfranchise your fellow Americans under the banner of fighting a fictional problem. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

Robust, state-level post-election checks and independent research consistently find only a handful to a few dozen proven or credible instances of noncitizen voting in modern elections.      An example is Michigan -15 cases out of more than 5.7 million ballot.

Nationally, long-running compilations and nonpartisan reviews highlight that proven cases across the years number in the dozens, not thousand or millions (gasp!)

The BIPARTISAN POLICY CENTER and others summarized only a few dozen  verified incidents and that     over long periods.

 

Ur being pi$$ed on and worse ............ ur carrying their water. 

Are u a 'flat earther'? 

See, shills like Juan Piedra will never admit that the real reason leftoids are trying to sneak aliens into the country (and keep them in the country) is so they can create a new slave labor voting bloc for democrats.  

[gatomontes99]

18 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Real ID has an additional cost 

Americans Can Apply for Real ID Without Any Cost—Here’s What You Need to Do!

18 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Real ID IS NOT proof of citizenship

 

Some states do, mine does. I didn't know other states did not. 

19 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Non citizens already aren't voting (virtually non-existent) so it damn sure is aimed at suppressing the votes of eligible citizens. That's the only effect it will have. 
Brennan Center
More than 21 million U.S. citizens of voting age don’t have proof of citizenship readily available. Only about half of American adults have a passport, and millions lack access to a paper copy of their birth certificate.

Meanwhile, From CATO & the Kock Brothers
Trump’s Claims About Noncitizens Voting Are False. We Can Prove It.

When confronted with allegations on noncitizens voting in Utah, Lt. Gov. Deidre Henderson, the state’s top election official, initiated a monthslong review of Utah’s approximately 2.1 million registered voters. She and her team found one “confirmed noncitizen.” Just one. And that one noncitizen, while registered, had never voted.

Idaho, a state of one million voters, ran similar tests in 2024, and they found 36 “very likely” registered noncitizens. That may seem like a lot until you view it in light of claims that statewide elections are altered by such anomalies. Some, but not all, of those 36 people have previously voted, the secretary of state, Phil McGrane, said, but “out of the million-plus registered voters we started with, we’re down to 10 thousandths of a percent” of the overall count — not even close to affecting the outcome.

Louisiana’s investigation in 2025 netted some 390 noncitizen registrants, 79 of whom had voted in at least one election over the last several decades (out of 2.9 million registrants). Just a few weeks ago, Montana found 23 possible noncitizen registrants (out of approximately 785,000 people registered). And Georgia, in some ways the model for these investigations, found in its 2024 audit 20 registered noncitizens (out of 8.2 million registrations). In my four years in office in Maricopa County overseeing voter registration, I came across a total of two possible instances of noncitizens voting out of some 2.5 million registered voters.

The first step to ending democracy is to undermine faith in the voting process. Trump did exactly that, and look how quickly you sheep have lined up, ready to disenfranchise your fellow Americans under the banner of fighting a fictional problem. 

I showed a peer reviewed study that was published in a scientific journal. You showed me a news report. Forgive me if I don't change my view. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Americans Can Apply for Real ID Without Any Cost—Here’s What You Need to Do!

Some states do, mine does. I didn't know other states did not. 

I showed a peer reviewed study that was published in a scientific journal. You showed me a news report. Forgive me if I don't change my view. 

1. That's lucky for Californians who meet the criteria and have time to jump through even more layers of bureaucracy, but not a fix for the rest of the country or, you know, Californians who are not homeless. For the rest of California it's about $40 a pop.

2. You are incorrect. Real ID is not proof of citizenship in ANY state, because citizenship is a federal status. 

3. No, you didn't. "Just Facts" is not a peer reviewed journal. They do REFERENCE a peer-reviewed study on their blog/page, but the study referenced has been thoroughly debunked and the original author has ALSO gone on record multiple times to disavow the misuse of the study. Again, I gave you all of those links. Are you just going to pretend that didn't happen? You can find this refutation anywhere.

4. I did not give you a news report. It's from a very conservative "think tank" (CATO). And I gave it to you because it is show not a model, or a survey, or a forecast, but rather ACTUAL analysis of voters in states that were TRYING to identify non-ciizen voters. These are actual audits in Trump-friendly state looking for exactly what you claim to be worried about, and they are finding negligible amounts. You are tilting at windmills. I think you already know that by this point. You've been spoon fed a mountain of evidence. You're just committed to the specious argument and don't mind disenfranchising Americans for political advantage. 

[Reg Volk]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

See, shills like Juan Piedra will never admit that the real reason leftoids are trying to sneak aliens into the country (and keep them in the country) is so they can create a new slave labor voting bloc for democrats.  

yup - and that's the only reason the Dems and their foolish shills are fighting this law, because they know they can't win an election unless it is rigged.

Edited March 11 by Reg Volk

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

1. That's lucky for Californians who meet the criteria and have time to jump through even more layers of bureaucracy, but not a fix for the rest of the country or, you know, Californians who are not homeless. For the rest of California it's about $40 a pop.

The SCOTUS ruled that requiring an ID can amount to a poll tax. So every state with an ID requirement has implemented some sort of subsidy for the poor. Problem solved. 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

2. You are incorrect. Real ID is not proof of citizenship in ANY state, because citizenship is a federal status. 

In the following states, the Real ID indicates citizenship: Alaska, Michigan, Maine, New Hampshire, Nevada, New York, Washington.

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

3. No, you didn't. "Just Facts" is not a peer reviewed journal. They do REFERENCE a peer-reviewed study on their blog/page, but the study referenced has been thoroughly debunked and the original author has ALSO gone on record multiple times to disavow the misuse of the study. Again, I gave you all of those links. Are you just going to pretend that didn't happen? You can find this refutation anywhere.

I quoted just facts because the study is behind a pay wall.

Edit:

Snopes is not a reputable source. That has clearly been shown. They are part of the IFCN cabal that is owned and operated by an extremist left wing pundit. There is nothing about SNOPES that is fair, balanced or factual. 

However, the study I quoted said 6%. You quoted some study that claimed 10-20%. 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

4. I did not give you a news report. It's from a very conservative "think tank" (CATO). And I gave it to you because it is show not a model, or a survey, or a forecast, but rather ACTUAL analysis of voters in states that were TRYING to identify non-ciizen voters. These are actual audits in Trump-friendly state looking for exactly what you claim to be worried about, and they are finding negligible amounts. You are tilting at windmills. I think you already know that by this point. You've been spoon fed a mountain of evidence. You're just committed to the specious argument and don't mind disenfranchising Americans for political advantage. 

Do you think that, maybe, a Trump friendly state might have voter ID laws? And that those states probably don't issue IDs to illegal aliens? It would stand to reason that those states do have lower illegal alien voters AND that is a result of the very same laws that the SAVE Act is making national. So you proved my point. 

Edited March 11 by gatomontes99

[Hodad]

56 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The SCOTUS ruled that requiring an ID can amount to a poll tax. So every state with an ID requirement has implemented some sort of subsidy for the poor. Problem solved. 

In the following states, the Real ID indicates citizenship: Alaska, Michigan, Maine, New Hampshire, Nevada, New York, Washington.

I quoted just facts because the study is behind a pay wall.

Edit:

Snopes is not a reputable source. That has clearly been shown. They are part of the IFCN cabal that is owned and operated by an extremist left wing pundit. There is nothing about SNOPES that is fair, balanced or factual. 

However, the study I quoted said 6%. You quoted some study that claimed 10-20%. 

Do you think that, maybe, a Trump friendly state might have voter ID laws? And that those states probably don't issue IDs to illegal aliens? It would stand to reason that those states do have lower illegal alien voters AND that is a result of the very same laws that the SAVE Act is making national. So you proved my point. 

1. A poll tax is still a poll tax, whether one can afford it or not. Not to mention that now in addition to Trump seizing control of election processes constitutionally delegated to the states, now you want to put another huge unfunded mandate on the states to subsidize the federal poll tax for poorer residents. -- And add more layers of bureaucracy on the right to vote. 

2. You are incorrect. The Real ID is not proof of citizenship in any state. You are not even attempting to provide a  link to or other proof to support your claim because it is a false claim. A very small handful of states offer an "Enhanced ID," (I have such an ID) which is different from a real ID, and does indicate citizenship for the purposes of travel to Canada or Mexico. But a "Real lD" offers no such certification. 

3. Nah, you linked to "Just Facts" because some randos on Twitter pointed you there. In fact, you haven't read the original study at all.

Nor, apparently have you read the "study" you found on Twitter, because this is literally the first farking sentence:

"a new study by Just Facts has found that about 10% to 27% of non-citizen adults in the U.S. are now illegally registered to vote."

Snopes is indeed pretty thorough, but as I mentioned in the link, you can find that analysis anywhere. In fact, I quoted and linked to commentary denouncing this usage by the original author of the study you haven't read, posted to his own site. I gave you that. Spoon fed. I'm assuming you read it as thoroughly as you read "Just Facts" or the original study that he is re-analyzing. Stop citing shit you don't read or understand and worse, that's already thoroughly debunked. 

4. Of the states that have conducted audits, some require ID to vote and some don't. Some allow provisional ballots without and some don't. There's quite a range of variances, but they all have one thing in common: audits of their actual voter records for non-citizen voting or other voter impersonation fraud reveal that it's virtually nonexistent. A handful of cases in states with ID requirements. A handful in states without. 

It's not a differentiating factor because all states already require proof of eligibility at time of registration. 

You are pretending to fight a fictional problem. Drop the charade and just own what you really want.


 

Edited March 11 by Hodad

[gatomontes99]

38 minutes ago, Hodad said:

1. A poll tax is still a poll tax, whether one can afford it or not. Not to mention that now in addition to Trump seizing control of election processes constitutionally delegated to the states, now you want to put another huge unfunded mandate on the states to subsidize the federal poll tax for poorer residents. -- And add more layers of bureaucracy on the right to vote. 

It is literally inly 14 states.

38 minutes ago, Hodad said:

2. You are incorrect. The Real ID is not proof of citizenship in any state. You are not even attempting to provide a  link to or other proof to support your claim because it is a false claim. A very small handful of states offer an "Enhanced ID," (I have such an ID) which is different from a real ID, and does indicate citizenship for the purposes of travel to Canada or Mexico. But a "Real lD" offers no such certification. 

The states I listed do list citizenship and the SAVE Act lists those Rela IDs as acceptable. What exactly are you arguing? 

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Citizenship documents include:

    A valid United States passport
    A Real ID that has to indicate U.S. citizenship (All 50 states offer REAL ID, but only five states issue IDs that denote U.S. citizenship on the cards -- mainly to assist residents likely to cross the Canadian border by land.)
    A birth certificate
    United States military ID card, together with a record of service showing that the applicant's place of birth was in the United States
    Federal, state or tribal government ID card showing the applicants place of birth

https://abcnews.com/Politics/save-america-act-requiring-voter-id-proof-citizenship/story?id=130006795

Enhanced IDs are different than a Real ID with Citizenship status. 

 

40 minutes ago, Hodad said:

3. Nah, you linked to "Just Facts" because some randos on Twitter pointed you there. In fact, you haven't read the original study at all.

Nor, apparently have you read the "study" you found on Twitter, because this is literally the first farking sentence:

"a new study by Just Facts has found that about 10% to 27% of non-citizen adults in the U.S. are now illegally registered to vote."

Registered is not voted. The study goes on to say that just over 6% voted. I quoted the voted part. Try to pay attention. 

41 minutes ago, Hodad said:

4. Of the states that have conducted audits, some require ID to vote and some don't. Some allow provisional ballots without and some don't. There's quite a range of variances, but they all have one thing in common: audits of their actual voter records for non-citizen voting or other voter impersonation fraud reveal that it's virtually nonexistent. A handful of cases in states with ID requirements. A handful in states without. 

It's not a differentiating factor because all states already require proof of eligibility at time of registration. 

You are pretending to fight a fictional problem. Drop the charade and just own what you really want.

1 million illegal voters is not a fictional problem. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

It is literally inly 14 states.

The states I listed do list citizenship and the SAVE Act lists those Rela IDs as acceptable. What exactly are you arguing? 

Enhanced IDs are different than a Real ID with Citizenship status. 

 

Registered is not voted. The study goes on to say that just over 6% voted. I quoted the voted part. Try to pay attention. 

1 million illegal voters is not a fictional problem. 

1. Assuming by "it" being in 14 states you mean subsidized Real ID for the poor/homeless. But if you think back to a few posts ago, you were arguing that all states should subsidize real ID so that it wouldn't fun afoul of the poll tax scrutiny. So now you want to minimize the cost by saying it's in 14 states while from the other side of you mouth you say it should be all states? -- And, lest we forget, a poll tax is a poll tax whether one has the means to pay it or not. 

2. I am saying plainly--no idea how to say it any more plainly--that you are flat out wrong about Real ID proving citizenship. Real ID does not. They "prove" identity, not citizenship status. There are 5 states that offer "Enhanced ID" which is an entirely different document. You show up to get an ID in those states, you get to choose from 1) Standard ID, 2) Real ID (at higher cost) 3) Enhanced ID (even higher cost). 

The way the SAVE act is written, Real IDs are not acceptable. Because, say it with me, they do not prove citizenship. Whether that's because Republicans legislators aren't skilled enough at crafting law, or whether the deception is intentional, it doesn't change the facts. Real ID doesn't prove citizenship. Never has. 

3. WTF are you even talking about? You quoted the non-peer reviewed retread "study" from Just Facts and I gave you (now on multiple occasions) the links to the debunking on multiple sites--including that of the original author. You're quoting something totally bogus. 

4. There's a reason you're clinging to that busted blog post hypothesizing about fraud, while rejecting actual audit results that demonstrate conclusively that there is no problem. It's pure FUD. Fantasy. And at this point, it's just you lying. 

Edited March 12 by Hodad

[gatomontes99]

56 minutes ago, Hodad said:

1. Assuming by "it" being in 14 states you mean subsidized Real ID for the poor/homeless. But if you think back to a few posts ago, you were arguing that all states should subsidize real ID so that it wouldn't fun afoul of the poll tax scrutiny. So now you want to minimize the cost by saying it's in 14 states while from the other side of you mouth you say it should be all states? -- And, lest we forget, a poll tax is a poll tax whether one has the means to pay it or not. 

36 states have voter ID laws. Sooooo....14 states would need the laws....annnnnnd the states (36) already have subsidies for those that need them.....are you getting there yet?

57 minutes ago, Hodad said:

2. I am saying plainly--no idea how to say it any more plainly--that you are flat out wrong about Real ID proving citizenship.

I did not day it proves citizenship. I said it is one of the approved IDs for the SAVE Act. I also said a few states list the citizenship on the ID of the owner can prove citizenship. So, those do prove citizenship even if that is not accepted...yet. 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

The way the SAVE act is written, Real IDs are not acceptable. Because, say it with me, they do not prove citizenship. Whether that's because Republicans legislators aren't skilled enough at crafting law, or whether the deception is intentional, it doesn't change the facts. Real ID doesn't prove citizenship. Never has. 

Bullshit!

Congress: Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship. The bill specifies what documents are considered acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship, such as identification that complies with the REAL ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship.

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

3. WTF are you even talking about? You quoted the non-peer reviewed retread "study" from Just Facts and I gave you (now on multiple occasions) the links to the debunking on multiple sites--including that of the original author. You're quoting something totally bogus. 

4. There's a reason you're clinging to that busted blog post hypothesizing about fraud, while rejecting actual audit results that demonstrate conclusively that there is no problem. It's pure FUD. Fantasy. And at this point, it's just you lying. 

Lmao...ok. So you don't want to admit you didn't notice that you used registrations and I used votes. Whatever. 

[Deluge]

23 hours ago, John Stone said:

.............more hoops to jump thru.

This is all an attempt to suppress votes and provide an edge to winning the Mids

 

Nope, it's to uphold voter integrity. You're treating minorities like adorable little m*rons - don't be a f*cking racist. 

[Deluge]

democrats are so hot & desperate for open borders and the tranny agenda, that the 2026 Midterms have practically become a life and death (death to more conservatives if they lose) situation. 

Let's all hope and pray that the citizenry won't be dumb enough to give them what they want.  

[gatomontes99]

The lie that 2020 was the most secure election ever is exposed in this video. 

What is done is done, but COVID gave cover to voter fraud. Unallowed voter drop boxes, unrequested mail in ballots and mobile voting stations enabled the fraud. 

Georgia has a voter ID law. Had these fraudulent voters shown up to a polling place, they would have been turned away. As it was, thousands of voters that registered their homes as UPS stores, churches and vacant buildings were able to vote. 

We can't possibly know who they voted for or how eliminating those votes would have changed the count. All we know is that there are far more fraudulent votes than needed to change the election.

We do know that Biden, in Georgia, outperformed the polls by 1.3%. RCP Yet, nationally Bide  was below the RCP average by 2.7%. RCP That is a 5.0% swing in a red state. Hmmm....I wonder how that happened?

This is why we need a national voter ID law. It protects us from voter dilution. It protects us from fraud. The burden is minimal. The benefit is great. 

[Deluge]

29 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The lie that 2020 was the most secure election ever is exposed in this video. 

What is done is done, but COVID gave cover to voter fraud. Unallowed voter drop boxes, unrequested mail in ballots and mobile voting stations enabled the fraud. 

Georgia has a voter ID law. Had these fraudulent voters shown up to a polling place, they would have been turned away. As it was, thousands of voters that registered their homes as UPS stores, churches and vacant buildings were able to vote. 

We can't possibly know who they voted for or how eliminating those votes would have changed the count. All we know is that there are far more fraudulent votes than needed to change the election.

We do know that Biden, in Georgia, outperformed the polls by 1.3%. RCP Yet, nationally Bide  was below the RCP average by 2.7%. RCP That is a 5.0% swing in a red state. Hmmm....I wonder how that happened?

This is why we need a national voter ID law. It protects us from voter dilution. It protects us from fraud. The burden is minimal. The benefit is great. 

Yet another reason the democrat party needs to be purged. The Republican party could use a little purging itself. 

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