Zeitgeist Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) The latest example of Canada’s out of control assisted suicide program: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/27/man-26-euthanised-because-diabetic-and-blind-canada/ Edited January 28 by Zeitgeist Quote
Venandi Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 The people who said this would never happen will now defend it. Go..... 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 What’s particularly disgusting is that this young man had a mental health problem and was able to get MAID. I don’t understand why Canadians aren’t speaking out en masse. It’s almost like people have given up and are accepting awful policies and programs. This is not the country I knew as a child. Quote
August1991 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 I agree with Canada's death by wish system. I dislike the the MAiD term. It should be Medically Assisted Death = MAD. If someone wants to die, they should have the right to do so. ===== I have no moral problem with abortion: if a woman wants to rid herself of "life" - she should have the right. Capital punishment? Trudeau Snr changed our law. IMHO, he was wrong. We should still hang some people. We Canadians have sent our soldiers to kill people abroad. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Note to Americans: Older people talk about their health. In Canada, welcome to the Soviet Union. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 58 minutes ago, August1991 said: I agree with Canada's death by wish system. I dislike the the MAiD term. It should be Medically Assisted Death = MAD. If someone wants to die, they should have the right to do so. ===== I have no moral problem with abortion: if a woman wants to rid herself of "life" - she should have the right. Capital punishment? Trudeau Snr changed our law. IMHO, he was wrong. We should still hang some people. We Canadians have sent our soldiers to kill people abroad. The government and healthcare system should not be in the killing business. Military defence is different. The killing isn’t gratuitous. It happens to prevent more deaths and the deaths of Canadians. MAID is a total violation of the Hippocratic Oath and medical ethics. Providing it to people without terminal illness or with mental health problems, both of which were the case for this young man, is unmitigated evil. MAID is destroying families and our already compromised healthcare system. Quote
Venandi Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) 14 hours ago, August1991 said: If someone wants to die, they should have the right to do so. I have an ethical hypothetical for you: Say my Uncle has terminal cancer, he has applied and been accepted for MAID, the "withdrawal of life" as they euphemistically refer to it is scheduled for 10 days hence in his own home. Say he phones me 5 days before his MAID is scheduled saying "hey buddy, I just can't make it another 5 days, I know you have a tappers licence and lots of experience humanely dispatching all manner of critters, it's nice day, I just want to sit by the lake at sunset sipping scotch and end it all.... it's raining steady for the next 4 days, I want to do this now... will you help me out? For the sake of discussion, and in order to make the scenario (above) more palatable to some, please feel free to assume that I'm an experienced veterinarian and my Uncles weight is roughly equivalent to that of large breed working dog. ------------------------------------------- I doubt there's a case on file like this yet but it may be coming... maybe we should think about it . Assuming I reluctantly follow through on his wishes (and for the record, I absolutely, positively wouldn't IRL) is it murder? Should I be incarcerated for manslaughter (at minimum)? And, can the system afford not to prosecute me? I don't think they can BTW, not to do so would create havoc. So... if you determine that it's murder when I do it, but not murder when the state does the same thing, I hope you can help me formulate a new definition of murder in the age of MAID. Please note that I used the most uncontroversial example I could think of for my hypothetical.... so now, please apply the same parameters to the unfortunate individual who is the subject of our thread and see if your opinion is different. Edited January 30 by Venandi 1 Quote
August1991 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 On 1/30/2026 at 5:13 PM, Venandi said: .... Say my Uncle has terminal cancer, he has applied and been accepted for MAID, the "withdrawal of life" as they euphemistically refer to it is scheduled for 10 days hence in his own home. Assuming I reluctantly follow through on his wishes (and for the record, I absolutely, positively wouldn't IRL) is it murder? Should I be incarcerated for manslaughter (at minimum)? And, can the system afford not to prosecute me? I don't think they can BTW, not to do so would create havoc. ... So, is it murder if you kill your Uncle before his chosen date for suicide? Quote
August1991 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 On 1/30/2026 at 4:21 AM, Zeitgeist said: The government and healthcare system should not be in the killing business. Military defence is different. The killing isn’t gratuitous. It happens to prevent more deaths and the deaths of Canadians. MAID is a total violation of the Hippocratic Oath and medical ethics. WTF? Yet military deaths are often gratuitous. MAiD is not gratuitous. Quote
Venandi Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 10 hours ago, August1991 said: So, is it murder if you kill your Uncle before his chosen date for suicide? I asked first.... Quote
Venandi Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 19 hours ago, August1991 said: Yet military deaths are often gratuitous. Would that be "often" in your vast experience with such things? Based on mine, I think you would be surprised at how much effort goes into avoiding collateral damage and mutual interference. But that's not what the thread is about, is it? I was looking for a simple answer to a simple MAID hypothetical as opposed to deflections... or long dissertations on the rules of ping-pong. Edited February 2 by Venandi Quote
Goddess Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 I'm a certified death doula and I've attended a MAID death (terminal pancreatic cancer in a 43-yr-old woman) and many other deaths. I support MAID, but I feel Canadian laws are going way too far with it. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
August1991 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 On 1/30/2026 at 4:21 AM, Zeitgeist said: The government and healthcare system should not be in the killing business. Military defence is different. The killing isn’t gratuitous. It happens to prevent more deaths and the deaths of Canadians. ... Military defence is different. How? ==== Medically Assisted Death is a person's choice. Quote
August1991 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 On 2/2/2026 at 6:34 AM, Venandi said: I asked first.... My Rich Uncle? Did he leave me money in his will.... Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 2 hours ago, August1991 said: Military defence is different. How? ==== Medically Assisted Death is a person's choice. Anything assisted is not exclusively done by the person being assisted. Quote
Venandi Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, August1991 said: My Rich Uncle? Did he leave me money in his will.... Yes, it's buried in your neighbour's back yard. Get a flashlight, a shovel, and get to work. Then let us know how it all worked out for ya. Edited February 6 by Venandi Quote
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