This New U.S. Strategy Changes EVERYTHING for Ukraine and Europe.

[robosmith]

Trump is erasing Europe and isolating Ukraine in service to Russia.

NO ONE voted for that.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4287777084813875

 

 

[User]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump is erasing Europe and isolating Ukraine in service to Russia.

NO ONE voted for that.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4287777084813875

 

 

You say this as if Europe was something drawn on paper and Trump could just erase them. It makes no sense. None. 

Also, stop being a lazy spambot. 

[John Stone]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump is erasing Europe and isolating Ukraine in service to Russia.

NO ONE voted for that.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4287777084813875

 

 

A bit dramatic.

The question is whether the defense of Ukraine is strategic to the U.S.?

Well, is it or not?

Is supporting the wannabe USSR strategic to the U.S. or not?

Why? 

 

[Nationalist]

27 minutes ago, John Stone said:

A bit dramatic.

The question is whether the defense of Ukraine is strategic to the U.S.?

Well, is it or not?

Is supporting the wannabe USSR strategic to the U.S. or not?

Why? 

 

USSR? What makes you think Russia has any designs on anything but east Ukraine?

[Radiorum]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump is erasing Europe and isolating Ukraine in service to Russia.

NO ONE voted for that.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4287777084813875

 

 

I did have a chance to read the US National Security Strategy paper referenced in the video, and the video does a good job of summarizing why it is so alarming. Thanks for sharing.

In another thread, I referred to the Strategy paper as a "break-up letter with Europe and Canada, and a love letter to Russia." 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

 

I did have a chance to read the US National Security Strategy paper referenced in the video, and the video does a good job of summarizing why it is so alarming. Thanks for sharing.

In another thread, I referred to the Strategy paper as a "break-up letter with Europe and Canada, and a love letter to Russia." 

We want to support our allies in preserving the freedom and security of Europe, while restoring Europe’s civilizational self-confidence and Western identity;

Yet Europe remains strategically and culturally vital to the United States. Transatlantic trade remains one of the pillars of the global economy and of American prosperity. European sectors from manufacturing to technology to energy remain among the world’s most robust. Europe is home to cutting-edge scientific research and world-leading cultural institutions. Not only can we not afford to write Europe off—doing so would be self-defeating for what this strategy aims to achieve.

 

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

USSR? What makes you think Russia has any designs on anything but east Ukraine?

I like the manner in which you've just normalized annexation? 

With respect it demonstrates a serious ignorance of strategic World geo-politics and history. 

But let us put that aside for a moment. 

What is the message that is being sent ........ emphasis on NK, but in particular China?

I acknowledge that the U.S. is not alone in this, but it is the largest stakeholder globally. 

[Radiorum]

4 minutes ago, Legato said:

We want to support our allies in preserving the freedom and security of Europe, while restoring Europe’s civilizational self-confidence and Western identity;

Yet Europe remains strategically and culturally vital to the United States. Transatlantic trade remains one of the pillars of the global economy and of American prosperity. European sectors from manufacturing to technology to energy remain among the world’s most robust. Europe is home to cutting-edge scientific research and world-leading cultural institutions. Not only can we not afford to write Europe off—doing so would be self-defeating for what this strategy aims to achieve.

Yes, but Trump also set conditions – he would only pledge the support of the US to “like minded ‘patriotic parties’ [on] the continent” 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Yes, but Trump also set conditions – he would only pledge the support of the US to “like minded ‘patriotic parties’ [on] the continent” 

So Russia's out then.

[User]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

USSR? What makes you think Russia has any designs on anything but east Ukraine?

You keep making the same dishonest point over and over again, no matter how many times you have been called out. 

On day one, Russia went straight after a full invasion of Ukraine to conquer it whole. The question is, what evidence do you have to support saying that Russia was really only interested in East Ukraine... after they already took Crimea. 

 

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

In another thread, I referred to the Strategy paper as a "break-up letter with Europe and Canada, and a love letter to Russia." 

Yes, another baseless assertion of yours. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

I like the manner in which you've just normalized annexation? 

With respect it demonstrates a serious ignorance of strategic World geo-politics and history. 

But let us put that aside for a moment. 

What is the message that is being sent ........ emphasis on NK, but in particular China?

I acknowledge that the U.S. is not alone in this, but it is the largest stakeholder globally. 

Ya gits wut ya pays fer...even NATO and the USA.

So are you saying North Korea and China have designs on Europe?

 

[Radiorum]

15 minutes ago, Legato said:

So Russia's out then.

No, he only calls out Europe

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We will oppose elite-driven, anti-democratic restrictions on core liberties in Europe, the Anglosphere, and the rest of the democratic world, especially among our allies…

… the real and more stark prospect of civilizational erasure. The larger issues facing Europe include activities of the European Union and other transnational bodies that undermine political liberty and sovereignty, migration policies that are transforming the continent and creating strife, censorship of free speech and suppression of political opposition, cratering birthrates, and loss of national identities and self-confidence.

 

 

 

Including telling Europe to “get along” with Russia – as if it is only Europe that needs to change:

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 This lack of self-confidence is most evident in Europe’s relationship with Russia. European allies enjoy a significant hard power advantage over Russia by almost every measure, save nuclear weapons. As a result of Russia’s war in Ukraine, European relations with Russia are now deeply attenuated, and many Europeans regard Russia as an existential threat. Managing European relations with Russia will require significant U.S. diplomatic engagement, both to reestablish conditions of strategic stability across the Eurasian landmass, and to mitigate the risk of conflict between Russia and European states.

It is a core interest of the United States to negotiate an expeditious cessation of hostilities in Ukraine, in order to stabilize European economies, prevent unintended escalation or expansion of the war, and reestablish strategic stability with Russia, as well as to enable the post-hostilities reconstruction of Ukraine to enable its survival as a viable state.

The Ukraine War has had the perverse effect of increasing Europe’s, especially Germany’s, external dependencies. Today, German chemical companies are building some of the world’s largest processing plants in China, using Russian gas that they cannot obtain at home. The Trump Administration finds itself at odds with European officials who hold unrealistic expectations for the war perched in unstable minority governments, many of which trample on basic principles of democracy to suppress opposition. A large European majority wants peace, yet that desire is not translated into policy, in large measure because of those governments’ subversion of democratic processes. This is strategically important to the United States precisely because European states cannot reform themselves if they are trapped in political crisis.

 

 

Trump’s solution (his supposed “peace plan”) is to give Russia all they want, and more.

 

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No, he only calls out Europe

 

Including telling Europe to “get along” with Russia – as if it is only Europe that needs to change:

 

Trump’s solution (his supposed “peace plan”) is to give Russia all they want, and more.

 

"he would only pledge the support of the US to “like minded ‘patriotic parties’ [on] the continent”"

So Russia's out then. 

[Radiorum]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

"he would only pledge the support of the US to “like minded ‘patriotic parties’ [on] the continent”"

So Russia's out then. 

 

he is using "on the continent" to describe what countries he is referring to, not as a limitation of his scope

[User]

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No, he only calls out Europe

To make them better... for our alliances to continue and be stronger, for them to do more to embrace freedom... 

So what?

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

A bit dramatic.

The question is whether the defense of Ukraine is strategic to the U.S.?

Well, is it or not?

It is. Let Ukraine fall and many MORE WILL FOLLOW including Taiwan which is key to manufacturing our most advanced technologies.

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

Is supporting the wannabe USSR strategic to the U.S. or not?

Why? 

Why would it be? The ONLY strategy is Trump PROFITING OFF doing deals with Putin. He's long hoped to get over $200M from building a tower in Moscow.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

USSR? What makes you think Russia has any designs on anything but east Ukraine?

Thanks for demonstrating YOUR IGNORANCE about what Putin HAS DONE.

Of course he denies wanting to restore the USSR, to quell opposition to HIS ACTIONS.

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While Vladimir Putin denies directly seeking to "restore the USSR," he views its collapse as a major geopolitical tragedy and aims to resurrect Russia's former imperial power and influence by reclaiming territories and influence in former Soviet states, using a mix of coercion and integration, though he claims it's about restoring a broader "Russian world" not just the Soviet system. His actions, like the invasion of Ukraine and rhetoric about "one people" (Russians and Ukrainians), suggest a desire to reverse the USSR's dissolution and reassert dominance, often framed as protecting Russia from Western encroachment and NATO expansion. 

Putin's Stance & Actions:

• Denial of Soviet Revival: Putin has explicitly stated Russia isn't trying to rebuild the Soviet Union, framing his goals differently.
• "Geopolitical Catastrophe": He famously called the USSR's collapse the "greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century," lamenting lost territories and influence.
• "Russian World" Concept: He speaks of a broader "Russian world" encompassing historical Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, and modern Russia, aiming to restore its sovereignty and power.
• Actions in Ukraine: His interventions in Ukraine are seen by many, including US President Biden, as attempts to reintegrate former Soviet territories and prevent them from aligning with the West. 

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

We want to support our allies in preserving the freedom and security of Europe, while restoring Europe’s civilizational self-confidence and Western identity;

Yet Europe remains strategically and culturally vital to the United States. Transatlantic trade remains one of the pillars of the global economy and of American prosperity. European sectors from manufacturing to technology to energy remain among the world’s most robust. Europe is home to cutting-edge scientific research and world-leading cultural institutions. Not only can we not afford to write Europe off—doing so would be self-defeating for what this strategy aims to achieve.

Trump has been moving ever closer to dissolving NATO which has the EFFECT of writing Europe off as they fall ever closer to being under Putin's thumb.

[User]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump has been moving ever closer to dissolving NATO which has the EFFECT of writing Europe off as they fall ever closer to being under Putin's thumb.

This is such a stupid lie. 

Trump has been doing what he can to make NATO stronger. What does he want? He wants NATO countries to pay their fair share for the burden of defense, to do more. 

The fact that you and others want to cry and lie about that, doesn't = wanting to dissolve NATO. 

 

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It is. Let Ukraine fall and many MORE WILL FOLLOW including Taiwan which is key to manufacturing our most advanced technologies.

No one is letting Ukraine fail. Trump was supporting them BEFORE the invasion and opposing Russia BEFORE the invasion. The Trump administration continues to fund and support Ukraine today. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

 

he is using "on the continent" to describe what countries he is referring to, not as a limitation of his scope

So Russia's out then.

[Legato]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump has been moving ever closer to dissolving NATO which has the EFFECT of writing Europe off as they fall ever closer to being under Putin's thumb.

How so?

[User]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

How so?

They will never say. Its all just BS. The sad thing is that they are either so stupid, actually, to believe this crap and mindlessly parrot it, or they are just so dishonest that they don't care. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

So Russia's out then.

Trump has always expressed that Putin is like minded to him.

[robosmith]

40 minutes ago, Legato said:

How so?

You would have to listen to what Trump says about Putin.

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During a controversial joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki in July 2018, Trump was asked about U.S. intelligence findings that Russia meddled in the election to help him win. Standing next to Putin, Trump stated, "I don't see any reason why it would be" Russia, adding, "I don't see why they would do it," appearing to side with Putin's denial over his own intelligence agencies'

 

[Legato]

32 minutes ago, User said:

They will never say. Its all just BS. The sad thing is that they are either so stupid, actually, to believe this crap and mindlessly parrot it, or they are just so dishonest that they don't care. 

Methinks you're correct on all counts. I'm no fan of Trump but this singular misanthropy is way over the top.

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump has always expressed that Putin is like minded to him.

He has, where?