Mormon church in Michigan a target of mass shootings, and set on fire by crazy person

[Venandi]

 

2 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Making a broad generalization based on one (more) MAGA shooter would be ridiculous, right?

Anticipating (and fearing) the trajectory here isn't ridiculous though... apparently the truck had explosive devices in it, 4 IEDs constructed with consumer grade fireworks were found.

This is potentially the next step as political polarization and hateful rhetoric increase...  It's easier, more effective and more terrifying than the "assault style rifle" debate favoured by democrats. Don't be fooled by the whole Marine veteran thing either... this is something anyone can contrive, consumer drones armed with explosives or incendiary devices don't tax the imagination much either. Drones are already in use in smuggling circles... It's pretty much impossible to ban all the bits and pieces here. 

As I've said before, allow this to fester whilst pouring gas on the flames of division and before you know it all those arguments about gun control will become something you and Herb associate with "the good old days." Human nature doesn't respect borders and circumstances are always different. but (and it's a big but) over there can come over here quicker than you think.

Trouble is, it takes about three deployments to figure that out and the people carrying gas cans haven't done their first one yet.

 

 

 

  

Edited September 29, 2025 by Venandi

[gatomontes99]

Holly fck.

Those lying bastards got me. I will admit, they did a good job with this photoshop. But they've been caught. 

I found the website with the original Tshirt the shooter wore. It is not available in camo.

https://teetshirts.net/product/election-liberals-cry-again-shirt/

It is only available in black. This T company doesn't offer anything in camo. 

Screenshot:

Alright, so that is were the design came from now, notice the background of the logo. Keep that image handy. 

Here is the actual photo before it was photoshopped:

Ok, I photo shopped the little girl's face out because they don't need that. Notice that this picture is bigger. The details in the background would take forever to create without AI and this is determined to not be AI by https://fotoforensics.com/. This is the real Pic. 

Here is the photoshpped version:

Notice how the background pf the logo is still there, but much much lighter? They used a blending tool. The most obvious area is just above the fist and  below the 2020  but it is evident the entire way around. 

They also used a tool to give the photo depth similar to the shooter's chest. That tool distorted the are between the fist and face and emphasized the brightness of the knuckles in a wider area than on the original logo. 

My last piece of evidence is her hair. It disappears behind the logo, under the TR of Trump. Whatever program they used to place the logo was  confused by the similarity in color of her hair and parts of his shirt. Consequently, his logo blocks parts of her hair and face. 

In total, this lynch pin for the MAGA killer argument is thoroughly proven a fake. 

Reports are that the first posting of this photo came from Eric Swalwell. His office likely faked the photo. Well, that's a good assumption any way. 

Edited September 29, 2025 by gatomontes99

[BeaverFever]

22 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Holly fck.

Those lying bastards got me. I will admit, they did a good job with this photoshop. But they've been caught. 

I found the website with the original Tshirt the shooter wore. It is not available in camo.

https://teetshirts.net/product/election-liberals-cry-again-shirt/

It is only available in black. This T company doesn't offer anything in camo. 

Screenshot:

Alright, so that is were the design came from now, notice the background of the logo. Keep that image handy. 

Here is the actual photo before it was photoshopped:

Ok, I photo shopped the little girl's face out because they don't need that. Notice that this picture is bigger. The details in the background would take forever to create without AI and this is determined to not be AI by https://fotoforensics.com/. This is the real Pic. 

Here is the photoshpped version:

Notice how the background pf the logo is still there, but much much lighter? They used a blending tool. The most obvious area is just above the fist and  below the 2020  but it is evident the entire way around. 

They also used a tool to give the photo depth similar to the shooter's chest. That tool distorted the are between the fist and face and emphasized the brightness of the knuckles in a wider area than on the original logo. 

My last piece of evidence is her hair. It disappears behind the logo, under the TR of Trump. Whatever program they used to place the logo was  confused by the similarity in color of her hair and parts of his shirt. Consequently, his logo blocks parts of her hair and face. 

In total, this lynch pin for the MAGA killer argument is thoroughly proven a fake. 

Reports are that the first posting of this photo came from Eric Swalwell. His office likely faked the photo. Well, that's a good assumption any way. 

So how do I know YOUR photo isn’t the fake one?  EVEN conservative news outlets are showing the Trump Tee photo. 
 

A google streetview of his home also shows his house had a Trump-pence sign which you can see here:

 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/09/29/thomas-jacob-sanford-michigan-shooting-suspect-anti-lds-tirade/86415139007/

 

 

[BeaverFever]

(Robert Reich):

Mass shootings in the US, per Gun Violence Archive:

2015: 332

2016: 383

2017: 347

2018: 335

2019: 414

2020: 611

2021: 689

2022: 644

2023: 659

2024: 503

So far in 2025...324 mass shootings in just 272 days.

We do not have to keep living like this.

Just now, BeaverFever said:

(Robert Reich):

Mass shootings in the US, per Gun Violence Archive:

2015: 332

2016: 383

2017: 347

2018: 335

2019: 414

2020: 611

2021: 689

2022: 644

2023: 659

2024: 503

So far in 2025...324 mass shootings in just 272 days.

We do not have to keep living like this.

If liberals are supposedly the violent ones then why is the west’s most right-wing country always the most violent one by orders of magnitude?

[Legato]

33 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

(Robert Reich):

Mass shootings in the US, per Gun Violence Archive:

2015: 332

2016: 383

2017: 347

2018: 335

2019: 414

2020: 611

2021: 689

2022: 644

2023: 659

2024: 503

So far in 2025...324 mass shootings in just 272 days.

We do not have to keep living like this.

If liberals are supposedly the violent ones then why is the west’s most right-wing country always the most violent one by orders of magnitude?

Cos many left wing degenerates live there.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Cos many left wing degenerates live there.

LMAO that doesn’t even make sense, listen to your desperate excuses 

[User]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO that doesn’t even make sense, listen to your desperate excuses 

Desperate excuses?

My goodness, learn some basic logic or just admit how dishonest you are. 

[Legato]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO that doesn’t even make sense, listen to your desperate excuses 

Sense never made any sense to non-sensical lefties. That's where the desperation lies.

[BeaverFever]

On 10/1/2025 at 11:30 AM, Legato said:

Sense never made any sense to non-sensical lefties. That's where the desperation lies.

LMAO There’s no sense in right wing gibberish. You can’t have sense without critical thinking a d you can’t have critical thinking with blind obedient worship of Trump and his minions. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO There’s no sense in right wing gibberish. You can’t have sense without critical thinking a d you can’t have critical thinking with blind obedient worship of Trump and his minions. 

Well Butterscotch the critical thinking from left wing critics is always lacking critical thought and that's giving you credit for non-critical nomenclature.

[User]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO There’s no sense in right wing gibberish. You can’t have sense without critical thinking a d you can’t have critical thinking with blind obedient worship of Trump and his minions. 

Well, you run away from anyone who clearly articulates how you are pushing BS.