How Carney is betraying a vision of a fair and strong Canada The TORONTO STAR! (the star of all things

[LinkSoul60]

11 hours ago, I am Groot said:

So far, Carney talks a good game, but has yet to do anything other than give away more money and run up enormous debts. Very much like Trudeau. 

If Poilievre had won, where do you think the PM/businessman in training would be right now in US 'negotiations' and infrastructure projects activity?  Guess we'll never know....but curious what you think would be any different.

[Shady]

43 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No.  Carney became PM on April 29 after the federal election results were confirmed.  So, 3 months in....what did you realistically expect..... pipelines built, new ports, mining projects, roads, etc, etc to be happening by now?  If you did.....incredibly naive, or a Conservative dreamer.  We'll see what he can do...which majority of Canadian's are more comfortable with than the wannabe in training trying to learn the job.

No.  He became PM in January.  Are you not aware that Trudeau resigned?  Regardless, yes a majority of Canadians are giving him the benefit of the doubt now.  He’s got a few more months of a honeymoon.  But if we get into 2026 and there’s still no progress, he’s going to be in political trouble, and even boomers won’t be able to save him.

[LinkSoul60]

26 minutes ago, Shady said:

No.  He became PM in January.  Are you not aware that Trudeau resigned?  Regardless, yes a majority of Canadians are giving him the benefit of the doubt now.  He’s got a few more months of a honeymoon.  But if we get into 2026 and there’s still no progress, he’s going to be in political trouble, and even boomers won’t be able to save him.

Trudeau resigned first week of January and remained PM until Carney won the liberal leader vote on March 9.  He was elected PM by the Canadian people on April 28.  Are you not aware of that?  Call it a honeymoon or whatever you want...he needs to make it happen, but anyone with common sense knows what we need takes a lot more than 90 days to complete.  The process is moving along with bill C5, Premier and FN meetings....not sure what more was expected?  100% agree with you though.... not buying the boomer BS but he was elected for a reason.....make it happen or we find someone else.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So is it Gerald or Jerald?  In any case has beens like him don't rate the RAM it takes to give a shit.

Who gives a shit?

LOL  every now and then i forget how much you don't know about politics,  but every now and then you're kind enough to remind me of the depths of your ignorance   

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

If Poilievre had won, where do you think the PM/businessman in training would be right now in US 'negotiations' and infrastructure projects activity?  Guess we'll never know....but curious what you think would be any different.

much farther.

He actually understands the first nations and how to deal with them and he gets what businesses need to see in order to invest. That's the kind of experience you gain as a politician. It's not what you gain as a central banker and tax avoidance expert. As we're finding out. 

So he'd be doing a LOT better internally with building up projects and doing real work to start to bring down interprovincial trade issues. He would have cancelled the no pipelines legislation and sat down first thing with the first nations to hammer out a 'fast' approval and consultation process instead of just passing a new law and then telling them after the fact that they'll love it. And then Enbridge another groups would have come to the table as you would expect, whereas they took one look at Carney's mess and said no thanks and have literally said they will prefer investing in the states rather than Canada, and that's a Canadian company.

Was trump I think he'd have kept the tariffs in place, and very selectively increased where it was going to hurt trump the most.  I think exactly unlike carney he would have been vocal and offered trump ongoing olive leafs while pointing out to the americans (on american tv and radio etc) that the pain they're feeling from being cut off from canadian trade doesn't need to happen, and to pressure trump for a deal.  He'd word it a lot better but that's the gist. 

Whether or not that would pay off well we can only speculate, but a lot of people who are pros seem to suggest that would be more effective. 

 

but we picked the wrong guy and we'll have to watch our economy crumble further until people realize that. 

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

much farther.

He actually understands the first nations and how to deal with them and he gets what businesses need to see in order to invest. That's the kind of experience you gain as a politician. It's not what you gain as a central banker and tax avoidance expert. As we're finding out. 

So he'd be doing a LOT better internally with building up projects and doing real work to start to bring down interprovincial trade issues. He would have cancelled the no pipelines legislation and sat down first thing with the first nations to hammer out a 'fast' approval and consultation process instead of just passing a new law and then telling them after the fact that they'll love it. And then Enbridge another groups would have come to the table as you would expect, whereas they took one look at Carney's mess and said no thanks and have literally said they will prefer investing in the states rather than Canada, and that's a Canadian company.

Was trump I think he'd have kept the tariffs in place, and very selectively increased where it was going to hurt trump the most.  I think exactly unlike carney he would have been vocal and offered trump ongoing olive leafs while pointing out to the americans (on american tv and radio etc) that the pain they're feeling from being cut off from canadian trade doesn't need to happen, and to pressure trump for a deal.  He'd word it a lot better but that's the gist. 

Whether or not that would pay off well we can only speculate, but a lot of people who are pros seem to suggest that would be more effective. 

 

but we picked the wrong guy and we'll have to watch our economy crumble further until people realize that. 

Of course you would say that.  Obviously an assumption only as we don't have a conservative government....yet again.

You talk far too much so if you can in a paragraph, tell me how a fellow with the non-debatable lack of economic, business or trade experience like Poilievre has would be faring better than someone who has that background and is arguably the most qualified PM we've had?  Please keep it short.....

[CouchPotato]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

Exactly, geez @eyeball, couch potato got it but you couldn't? 

Uhhhh.... what's that supposed to mean?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Of course you would say that.  

The truth? Yeah.  I'm funny and predictable like that.   LOL

 

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Obviously an assumption only as we don't have a conservative government....yet again.

Based on history and facts. What we CAN say for sure is carney isn't qualified and is screwing it up. That is happening right in front of us. He was unable to deliver on ANY of his promises on HIS timelines.  And now it's going to get worse. 

Conservatives keep warning libearls... "Drama teacher is not effective experience to be PM, Banker is NOT effective experience to be PM. PM is NOT an entry level job for god's sake!  You don't hire people because you like their socks or because you want to 'pown' conservatives. 

 

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You talk far too much

Aww muffin.  reading so much must be tiring  

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so if you can in a paragraph, tell me how a fellow with the non-debatable lack of economic, business or trade experience like Poilievre has would be faring better than someone who has that background and is arguably the most qualified PM we've had?  Please keep it short.....

He has huge experience with economic business and trade. It's what he's done inside the government. And he understands how those things relate to government

It's that simple. You have to be 17 different kinds of stupid not to figure that out. All the guy has done for most of his adult career is the exact job we need him to do right now. Arguing that a politician doesn't understand how to be a politician is beyond stupid.

It's the dumbest thing I've heard since you guys insisted that being a drama teacher was excellent experience

[Shady]

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Trudeau resigned first week of January and remained PM until Carney won the liberal leader vote on March 9.  He was elected PM by the Canadian people on April 28.  Are you not aware of that?  Call it a honeymoon or whatever you want...he needs to make it happen, but anyone with common sense knows what we need takes a lot more than 90 days to complete.  The process is moving along with bill C5, Premier and FN meetings....not sure what more was expected?  100% agree with you though.... not buying the boomer BS but he was elected for a reason.....make it happen or we find someone else.

He was defacto PM when Trudeau resigned.  He was making decisions and spending money before the election took place.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

If Poilievre had won, where do you think the PM/businessman in training would be right now in US 'negotiations' and infrastructure projects activity?  Guess we'll never know....but curious what you think would be any different.

Yeah. I think he'd already have a trade deal with Trump, simply because the things Poilevre wants to do about freeing up national resources from red tape and bureaucracy, rebuilding the military, supporting Israel, fighting against the woke left, slashing immigration and foreign workers, drastically cutting back on refugees, clamping down on organized crime and money laundering, and fighting against foreign, ie, Chinese influence would all meet with the deep approval of those around him who have his ear.

Now I don't think Trump actually has any ideology. He cares about nothing but greed and power. But he wants to impress his base, so he has to pretend that he's in favour of all these things too.

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[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

He was defacto PM when Trudeau resigned.  He was making decisions and spending money before the election took place.

And travelled the world making deals with other leaders if we're to believe his own press releases and statements.  He made a big deal of that on the campaign trail. 

[LinkSoul60]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The truth? Yeah.  I'm funny and predictable like that.   LOL

 

Based on history and facts. What we CAN say for sure is carney isn't qualified and is screwing it up. That is happening right in front of us. He was unable to deliver on ANY of his promises on HIS timelines.  And now it's going to get worse. 

Conservatives keep warning libearls... "Drama teacher is not effective experience to be PM, Banker is NOT effective experience to be PM. PM is NOT an entry level job for god's sake!  You don't hire people because you like their socks or because you want to 'pown' conservatives. 

 

Aww muffin.  reading so much must be tiring  

He has huge experience with economic business and trade. It's what he's done inside the government. And he understands how those things relate to government

It's that simple. You have to be 17 different kinds of stupid not to figure that out. All the guy has done for most of his adult career is the exact job we need him to do right now. Arguing that a politician doesn't understand how to be a politician is beyond stupid.

It's the dumbest thing I've heard since you guys insisted that being a drama teacher was excellent experience

Fools talk because they have to say something.... Fool.   Why do you have such a tough time making a point in short order, unless of course you have no point, no conservative leader the country wants and simply talk to hear yourself.

A banker....   As well as educated at Harvard and Oxford to lead BOC and BOE, not to mention prominent leadership roles at Goldman Sachs, Bloomberg and Brookfield.   I understand it's not quite at the level of paperboy and Telus phone collector but it's what we got...   

You'll have a new leader to idolize come the new year.  Poilievre can keep changing his hair style and taking likability lessons till the cows come home but the fact remains....people don't like him.  There is a reason he lost a 24% lead.... what an embarrassment 😂

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, Shady said:

He was defacto PM when Trudeau resigned.  He was making decisions and spending money before the election took place.

Please provide a link showing he was 'defacto' PM and spending money....or is this just your opinion?

You don't understand do you...  Carney was not even in politics until winning the liberal leadership in March, which is when Trudeau stepped aside.  There is no way possible he had any political authority prior to that....and most certainly for 'spending money'.

Again provide the back-up that....if you can. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Fools talk because they have to say something.... Fool.  

No they don't. But they certainly accuse others of it  

Your usual no rebuttal whiny cry baby stuff

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Why do you have such a tough time making a point in short order, unless of course you have no point, no conservative leader the country wants and simply talk to hear yourself.

Kid, four or five sentences about something is as complicated as the topics we talk about IS short. 

The fact that it takes me a few sentences to explain why i'm right doesn't change the fact that I'm right, even if you can be wrong in fewer words

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A banker....   As well as educated at Harvard and Oxford to lead BOC and BOE, not to mention prominent leadership roles at Goldman Sachs, Bloomberg and Brookfield.  

So not a politician. 

He's a globalist who has never acutally done anything political except to avoid taxes. 

So why in god's name would you think that would make him a good politician? Trump has been a big businessman all his life too, run companies and ventures larger than that. Would you say he was a good choice for president? 

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I understand it's not quite at the level of paperboy and Telus phone collector but it's what we got...   

I'm quite sure paperboy or telus phone guy will be the next candidate the liberals try to pretend is qualified for the job  LOLOLOL

The qualification for to be the top politician is to have been....   a politician!!!  If you're looking for a surgeon you don't demand somone who was a plumber till last week! You want someone who's been a surgeon for a while now! 

If your looking for an accountant you don't hire a librarian just because they had something to do with books!

And you should have figured this out after your last hire of a part time drama teacher!

And carney is failing PRECISELY because of that! He doesn't know how to handle the provinces, he doesn't know how to handle trump, he doesn't know how to handle the first nations, and he doesn't understand the politics behind any of it and there's only so much gerald butts can do for him. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No they don't. But they certainly accuse others of it  

Your usual no rebuttal whiny cry baby stuff

Kid, four or five sentences about something is as complicated as the topics we talk about IS short. 

The fact that it takes me a few sentences to explain why i'm right doesn't change the fact that I'm right, even if you can be wrong in fewer words

So not a politician. 

He's a globalist who has never acutally done anything political except to avoid taxes. 

So why in god's name would you think that would make him a good politician? Trump has been a big businessman all his life too, run companies and ventures larger than that. Would you say he was a good choice for president? 

I'm quite sure paperboy or telus phone guy will be the next candidate the liberals try to pretend is qualified for the job  LOLOLOL

The qualification for to be the top politician is to have been....   a politician!!!  If you're looking for a surgeon you don't demand somone who was a plumber till last week! You want someone who's been a surgeon for a while now! 

If your looking for an accountant you don't hire a librarian just because they had something to do with books!

And you should have figured this out after your last hire of a part time drama teacher!

And carney is failing PRECISELY because of that! He doesn't know how to handle the provinces, he doesn't know how to handle trump, he doesn't know how to handle the first nations, and he doesn't understand the politics behind any of it and there's only so much gerald butts can do for him. 

lol... you have nothing except for your conservative partisanship.  You're also too much of a political hack to understand that more and more people are generally getting tired of politics and politicians.  Again, sorry your career politician who knows little of the real world didn't get elected but keep your moral victory that it was a closer election alive.  Moral victories are for losers so right in your wheel house....

 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

lol... you have nothing except for your conservative partisanship.  

 

True.  Well... nothing but that, the facts, history, the current observable situation, common sense and logic, but other wise nothing at all  

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You're also too much of a political hack to understand that more and more people are generally getting tired of politics and politicians.

They're not.  They may be getting sick of having to deal with the mess left by the gov't, but that's not the same thing. 

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  Again, sorry your career politician who knows little of the real world didn't get elected but keep your moral victory that it was a closer election alive.  

Don't say sorry to me, say sorry to the 2 generations of children you and your friends just crushed the dreams and futures of.

And it being a close election is a moral victory.... how?  Do you even understand what words mean? Christ kid you sound like you're still in grade 10. No wonder you argue with 6 year olds. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Christ kid you sound like you're still in grade 10. No wonder you argue with 6 year olds. 

You would be the 6 year old, and that's being generous little man.

Try taking your empty head out of your conservative *ss sometime and read about where partisan politics that AH's like you and politicians play have turned people off.  Because you're a partisan hack you've gone along and made the assumption that I've voted liberal in every past election.   Keep assuming DF, and for what it's worth, a generation is 20 to 30 years....not 5 years.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You would be the 6 year old, and that's being generous little man.

 

Back to your weird fantasies again I see  

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Try taking your empty head out of your conservative *ss sometime and read about where partisan politics that AH's like you and politicians play have turned people off.

I can't read the voices in your head.

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 Because you're a partisan hack you've gone along and made the assumption that I've voted liberal in every past election.  

 

Oh did you vote green once? Loser.  Anyway it seems like a safe assumption. You're easily that stupid

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Keep assuming DF, and for what it's worth, a generation is 20 to 30 years....not 5 years.

I know how long a generation is. I used the term correctly

The last estimates said that Canada was going to grossly underperform for the next 40 years. And that was before the recent downturn. The way things are now we're not just going to underperform but the kids today are not going to be able to comfortably afford housing, they're going to struggle for food money, they will have a bad retirement with the time comes, they will have to live with reduced medical services and educational services for their children, the government will be grossly in debt and yet making less revenue because the liberal policies have driven the GDP per capita way down

And Carney is adding to the damage

So yeah. Apologize for what you've done. 40 Years of Canadians are going to have to live with your bad choices and ignorant attitude because you're too stupid to do basic math or get your head out of your own echo chamber. 

You're the only partisan hack here kid.   That's why you can't refute anything and all you can do is stammer out talking points and cry

[LinkSoul60]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Back to your weird fantasies again I see  

I can't read the voices in your head.

Oh did you vote green once? Loser.  Anyway it seems like a safe assumption. You're easily that stupid

I know how long a generation is. I used the term correctly

The last estimates said that Canada was going to grossly underperform for the next 40 years. And that was before the recent downturn. The way things are now we're not just going to underperform but the kids today are not going to be able to comfortably afford housing, they're going to struggle for food money, they will have a bad retirement with the time comes, they will have to live with reduced medical services and educational services for their children, the government will be grossly in debt and yet making less revenue because the liberal policies have driven the GDP per capita way down

And Carney is adding to the damage

So yeah. Apologize for what you've done. 40 Years of Canadians are going to have to live with your bad choices and ignorant attitude because you're too stupid to do basic math or get your head out of your own echo chamber. 

You're the only partisan hack here kid.   That's why you can't refute anything and all you can do is stammer out talking points and cry

No weird fantasies.  You're just a pathetic little man.

Assume and think anything you'd like about my voting record if it satisfy's your partisan excitement.  It appears it's all you got so have at it if it helps fill your days.  

Otherwise and as always, your response is totally useless.  Where is there any 'estimates' of how the Canadian economy will perform for the next 40 years?  I'm also very aware of the cost of living and how that affects younger people so save the sob story.  My children and their families are living and b*tch less than you do.  But, this is why we have a new Prime Minister, and why it's Carney, and not Poilievre and his maple maga schtick.

Move on little man....

[LinkSoul60]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The truth? Yeah.  I'm funny and predictable like that. 

How is there 'truth' in a hypothetical?  Your truth yes, but also we know you're a partisan hack.  The Canadian people didn't want Poilievre to be PM so we obviously don't know how he'd be faring, do we. 

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No weird fantasies.  You're just a pathetic little man.

awww pookie! crying yourself to sleep tonight again i see   LOLOL

You have weird sex fantasies about kids and proudly announce you won a debate with a 6 year old and you're going to call me 'pathetic'?  Don't think so twinkie

 

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Assume and think anything you'd like about my voting record if it satisfy's your partisan excitement.  It appears it's all you got so have at it if it helps fill your days.  

Yet you don't deny it.  Interesting  

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Otherwise and as always, your response is totally useless.  Where is there any 'estimates' of how the Canadian economy will perform for the next 40 years?  I'm also very aware of the cost of living and how that affects younger people so save the sob story.  My children and their families are living and b*tch less than you do.  But, this is why we have a new Prime Minister, and why it's Carney, and not Poilievre and his maple maga schtick.

Move on little man....

 

I've posted the oedc report many times, you can find it online in two seconds. Google canadian economy to underperform for 40 years and you'll find all kinds of info on it. 

I realize that as a highschooler you don't spend a lot of time following current events but that's worth a read. 

You have no idea of the cost of living.  And i don't believe for a moment you have children. Your responses show a level of education and experience that is VERY young.  

And the néw prime minister is turning out exactly like the old prime minister.  He's already failing to achieve what he promised and all indications are that it's going to go downhill from there. 

I wish i'd have been wrong about him and trump, that was the one hope i had for him, but even there he's failed. He didn't even understand that over half our stuff is now tariffed, not 15 percent. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Liberal goal says they want 500k new homes built per year, which is about double the historical average if i'm not mistaken.

Not only is this very unlikely to happen, but if it does it's going to contribute to the current speculation bubble on housing.  What needs to be done is to tame speculative buying for people buying investment properties just for profit in order to increase supply of homes for people who actually want to live inside them.  But the baby boomers voted these Liberals back in, so they aren't going to do anything about that.

You want to make money for retirement?  Go buy an ETF and some bonds like a normal person.

Once Canadian workers are completely tapped out on mortgages and can't afford to increase bids (thus no longer increasing home prices) these housing speculators are going to realize they aren't making much money any more, and then will start selling their investment properties, and once that happens the housing market will collapse.  Either that, or many start defaulting on their high mortages and it collapses even harder like in the US.

 

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

awww pookie! crying yourself to sleep tonight again i see   LOLOL

You have weird sex fantasies about kids and proudly announce you won a debate with a 6 year old and you're going to call me 'pathetic'?  Don't think so twinkie

 

Yet you don't deny it.  Interesting  

I've posted the oedc report many times, you can find it online in two seconds. Google canadian economy to underperform for 40 years and you'll find all kinds of info on it. 

I realize that as a highschooler you don't spend a lot of time following current events but that's worth a read. 

You have no idea of the cost of living.  And i don't believe for a moment you have children. Your responses show a level of education and experience that is VERY young.  

And the néw prime minister is turning out exactly like the old prime minister.  He's already failing to achieve what he promised and all indications are that it's going to go downhill from there. 

I wish i'd have been wrong about him and trump, that was the one hope i had for him, but even there he's failed. He didn't even understand that over half our stuff is now tariffed, not 15 percent. 

That's from 4 years ago.  Things have changed a little bit.  Got anything recent?

Why do you always revert to talking like a kid would to their pet dog.  You seem to think anyone who doesn't agree with your mindless ideals is upset or crying.  Quite the opposite actually... laughing would be more fitting.

"you have no idea of the cost of living'....  That is stupid, even for you.  Believe what you want about whether I have children (or grandchildren) or not. Believe or think what you want about my education or career experience. I honestly don't give a sh*t about what you think or don't think.  

The rest of your typical partisan schtick....   a waste of time reading and responding.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

That's from 4 years ago.  Things have changed a little bit.  Got anything recent?

 

Nothing has changed except to get worse. what in your opinion has changed that the report specifically mentions that would substantially effect it?

Or are you pretending that 4 years is a long time in long range economic predictions?

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Why do you always revert to talking like a kid would to their pet dog.

Why do you always display the intelligence of a pet dog who needs their kid to talk to them?

You make the most ridiculous statements that are completely childish and irrational. For example, calling the 4 year old report looking at the forty year out look as being 'really old' and pretending something substantial in the report has changed.  That's just not sensible on the face of it.  Or claiming that you think an NGO be it crown or other would report it's debt along with the gov'ts.  When it's common knowledge that isn't so, along the lines of it being common knowledge that the sun rises in the east. 

I'm all over honest debate and there are a few on the left here capable of that when they put their minds to it. Doesn't mean i'm going to agree but they can't be dismissed out of hand and need to be taken seriously. 

But you? So far you're a joke.  And hilariously you do nothing but insult everyone who points out you're wrong, not just me, and then spend the rest of your time whining that people insult you back.  At least when i insult you i offer an educated argument to go with it, you don't have anything other than more insults. And they're like really childish ones,  like up there with "i'm rubber and you're glue". 

What is up with you anyway?  If you're not here to try your hand at making a compelling argument and putting your views to the acid test then why ARE you here? Are you just some sort of glutton for punishment, or feel that ridicule and derisive dismissal is somehow cathartic?

Why don't you TRY to step up your game.  If you make honest attempts at arguments and skip the grade 1 level insutls then i'll go easy on you and you can practice till you get stronger. 

Or at least do better insults, I'm starting to feel like i'm beating up on a mentally challenged kid or something