The U.S. has a checkered history of racism and still struggles with it.

[User]

Just now, blackbird said:

The facts are in the articles which you refuse to read.  So why do you bother participating in the forum?

I don't read spam.

If you can't make your own arguments... why are you here?

If you are going to cite an article, it is on you to explain what from the article is supporting your article. 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Facts speak for themselves.

"In 1954, the U.S. government removed hundreds of thousands of persons of Mexican ancestry from the country in an initiative officially known as “Operation Wetback.”  

That racism, unfortunately, is not simply just a part of history. Donald Trump kicked off his successful 2016 presidential campaign by referring to Mexican immigrants as “criminals” and “rapists.” As president, he crudely said the United States should not allow noncitizens from “shithole” countries such as Haiti and El Salvador to remain in the United States, issued three versions of the Muslim ban, put in place a policy of separating Central American parents and children and much more.    

Although President Trump’s racial vitriol was unlike that of any other modern president, others pursued policies similar to his. More than 90 percent of the record 400,000-plus noncitizens removed from the country during the Obama years were from Latin America. It was under President Biden’s watch that Haitian migrants on the U.S./Mexico border were chased on horseback by Border Patrol officers and immediately returned to Haiti. And Biden has continued Title 42 mass expulsions of migrants from the Trump era, a decision that led former Yale Law Dean Harold Koh to resign from a post in the State Department. 

Moreover, the ordinary operation of the U.S. immigration removal system reflects no less than systemic racism. The Supreme Court has held that “Mexican appearance” may be considered by Border Patrol officers in making immigration stops, a move that has contributed to racial profiling in ordinary immigration enforcement. Moreover, police reliance on racial profiling of Blacks and Latinos in routine criminal law enforcement leads to disparate arrests of Black and Latino immigrants. Racial profiling in turn feeds noncitizens of color directly into the immigration removal system. It, therefore, should be no surprise that year in and year out Latinos and Blacks are severely overrepresented in the noncitizens removed from the United States.  

Resolution 610 was one of several ABA resolutions approved relating to immigration. Resolution 609 urged that the U.S. asylum system be reformed to afford persons seeking protection from persecution or torture more transparency, due process of law, access to counsel and full and fair adjudication of any claims to relief. It also calls for the end of the use of Title 42 to block and expel asylum-seekers at the U.S. border. Resolution 608 advocates for steps to facilitate the provision of speedy relief to Afghan refugees.    

The three resolutions aim to bring a semblance of racial justice to U.S. immigration law and its enforcement. Recognition of systemic racism in the immigration system by lawyers as a group — not just immigration lawyers — is a tremendous step forward.  

As part of the overall agenda to eliminate systemic racism from U.S. social life, we as a nation must strive to do the same in immigration enforcement.  

Kevin R. Johnson is dean and Mabie/Apallas professor of Public Interest Law and Chicanx Studies at UC Davis School of Law. He is the author of Systemic Racism in the U.S. Immigration Laws 97 Indiana Law Journal (forthcoming 2022). Karla McKanders is a Clinical professor of Law at Vanderbilt Law School. "

Systemic racism is rooted in immigration laws — it can no longer be ignored

Language has changed since then, and heavily to the snowflake's favor. I haven't heard the word "wetback" in a very long time. 

There is no racism in what Trump is doing. He's securing the border and he's clearing out illegal aliens; there is zero wrong with anything he is doing. 

Now, crybabies like you need to make a decision: will you continue to stand with illegal aliens, or will you stand with the right and lawful way to enforce immigration law? 

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, User said:

I don't read spam.

If you can't make your own arguments... why are you here?

If you are going to cite an article, it is on you to explain what from the article is supporting your article. 

I do make points, but you call every point a lie.  So I post article with facts.  You refuse to read them.

So again.  If all you can do is call everything a lie, what is the point of your posts?

There is no discussion with someone who acts like you.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Now, crybabies like you need to make a decision: will you continue to stand with illegal aliens, or will you stand with the right and lawful way to enforce immigration law? 

No, Trump is not respecting laws and courts.  He is the King and sees himself above courts.

He sent lots of people to a notorious torture prison called CECOT in El Salvador.  He is a prolific human rights violator.

[Deluge]

Just now, blackbird said:

No, Trump is not respecting laws and courts.  He is the King and sees himself above courts.

He sent lots of people to a notorious torture prison called CECOT in El Salvador.  He is a prolific human rights violator.

No, the courts are ignoring illegal crossings. The president is deporting illegals because they crossed the border illegally. The courts (lower courts) are packed with left-wing activists so they want all the illegals here in the US. 

This is about enforcing immigration law and arresting the occasional piece of shit activist occupying a judicial seat. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I do make points, but you call every point a lie.  So I post article with facts.  You refuse to read them.

So again.  If all you can do is call everything a lie, what is the point of your posts?

There is no discussion with someone who acts like you.

No, I don't call every point a lie, but when you insist on claiming something that is not true, repeatedly, even after I show it is wrong... it is a lie. 

You are still upset because I called you out for lying about me and what I said, I have given you chance after chance after change to address it and you don't You ignore it and run away. 

You. Are. A. Liar. 

If you lie, I will call it out. 

If all you do is post spam, I will call it out. 

Let me know if you have an original thought of your own. 

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

arresting the occasional piece of shit activist occupying a judicial seat. 

See... another example of fascist thinking and disrespect for the judicial system.

1 minute ago, User said:

No, I don't call every point a lie, but when you insist on claiming something that is not true, repeatedly, even after I show it is wrong... it is a lie. 

You are still upset because I called you out for lying about me and what I said, I have given you chance after chance after change to address it and you don't You ignore it and run away. 

You. Are. A. Liar. 

If you lie, I will call it out. 

If all you do is post spam, I will call it out. 

Let me know if you have an original thought of your own. 

Your only interest on the forum is to call someone a liar simply because you disagree with the posts.

Oh by the way, the word "alien" is itself a very racist term to call people from other countries.  It is part of the degenerate thinking.

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

See... another example of fascist thinking and disrespect for the judicial system.

Your only interest on the forum is to call someone a liar simply because you disagree with the posts.

Oh by the way, the word "alien" is itself a very racist term to call people from other countries.  It is part of the degenerate thinking.

Sorry comrade. Crossing the border illegally is the FIRST offense, and Biden opened the flood gates. Any judge that isn't a woke activist would know that and get 100% behind the President and ICE. 

See, you have ZERO interest in maintaining law and order - you're in it for the chaos and racial influx. 

Wrong. "Alien" is a perfect description and it's appropriate. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your only interest on the forum is to call someone a liar simply because you disagree with the posts.

No, I call you a liar because you lied about what I said and I continue to call you a liar because you keep running away or ignoring it every time I call it out to you. 

That is not a disagreement. That is a statement of fact you lied about. 

The more you run, the more you keep acting like you don't know what we are talking about, it only proves how big of a liar you really are. 

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Oh by the way, the word "alien" is itself a very racist term to call people from other countries.  It is part of the degenerate thinking.

 

It is a legal term defined by Federal Law, nothing racist about it:

"(3) The term "alien" means any person not a citizen or national of the United States."
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1101&num=0&edition=prelim

 

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

See... another example of fascist thinking and disrespect for the judicial system.

Your only interest on the forum is to call someone a liar simply because you disagree with the posts.

Oh by the way, the word "alien" is itself a very racist term to call people from other countries.  It is part of the degenerate thinking.

Now "alien" is racist?

It's a WORD! It means foreign.

Get a grip on reality.

[Deluge]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Now "alien" is racist?

It's a WORD! It means foreign.

Get a grip on reality.

EVERYTHING is racist to a woke cultist. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

EVERYTHING is racist to a woke cultist. 

Evidently.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, User said:

It is a legal term defined by Federal Law, nothing racist about it:

Wow!   You don't think the Federal laws in the U.S. were racist?

I posted the article from Wikipedia which you were too stubborn to read.

"While immigration laws during those years were loose, laws limiting naturalization to those of "white" and "African" descent meant many other immigrants had difficulty acquiring citizenship. These regulations immediately created problems of interpretation – the contentious question of who was and was not "white" vexed even the officials charged with enforcing the law and led to significant criticism. "

 

[User]

58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Wow!   You don't think the Federal laws in the U.S. were racist?

I posted the article from Wikipedia which you were too stubborn to read.

"While immigration laws during those years were loose, laws limiting naturalization to those of "white" and "African" descent meant many other immigrants had difficulty acquiring citizenship. These regulations immediately created problems of interpretation – the contentious question of who was and was not "white" vexed even the officials charged with enforcing the law and led to significant criticism. "

 

What does any of this have to do with the term alien?

 

[blackbird]

43 minutes ago, User said:

What does any of this have to do with the term alien?

 

I see the term as a kind of derogatory term to describe the people from other countries who are less desirable for America.  American citizenship is a very privileged difficult thing to obtain.

These are the requirements to become a U.S. citizen or naturalization as it is called.

"You must also be in one of these categories:

Lawful permanent resident (Green Card holder) of five years

Married to a U.S. citizen and lawful permanent resident for three years

U.S. military service member (active duty or veteran)

Child of a U.S. citizen

unquote

One can see that practically nobody in another country could meet these requirements.  The only possible way  is to become a lawful permanent resident for five years and then you can apply.

But becoming a lawful permanent resident is itself not an easy process.

"

Becoming a legal permanent resident of the United States is a lengthy bureaucratic process. Once you determine your eligibility, you will need to find someone who can sponsor your application. Then, you and your sponsor will have to provide substantial evidence of your status, employment, or relationship. The process of becoming a legal permanent resident will generally take at least a year from the date you start filing, but successful applicants will finish the process with their Green Card, which grants permanent legal residence."

"

To obtain a U.S. Green Card, you need to:

Complete an immigrant petition and a Green Card application (Form I-485)2.

Learn about family-based, fiancee, and work visas and how to apply for each.

Discover the Diversity Visa Lottery.

Renew, correct, or replace your Permanent Resident Card (Green Card) using Form I-901."

You can see, obtaining legal immigrant status in the U.S. is a very difficult thing.  

 

Edited June 16 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

The facts are in the articles which you refuse to read.  So why do you bother participating in the forum?

What you call facts are just strongly stated opinions, masquerading as facts. 

[CDN1]

On 6/16/2025 at 10:26 AM, blackbird said:

"

In 2015, Julio, a Black Dominican immigrant living in New York City, was stopped by police for “walking suspiciously.” It was the tail end of the stop and frisk era, the notoriously racist policing strategy that subjected Black people to a vastly disproportionate percentage of police stops in the city.

Julio was 18 years old and sold water, candy, and T-shirts to earn extra money for his family. He was attending Bronx Community College in the hope of becoming a medical assistant. (Julio’s name has been changed in this story to protect his identity.) One day, he noticed a black car following him, and it turned out to be the police. “The officer said that I looked nervous, but why wouldn’t I?” he said. “Why wouldn’t I be nervous [when] there is a black vehicle following me slowly?” The police stopped and searched Julio and discovered an unregistered gun, which he had started carrying after being robbed at gunpoint near his Bronx home. He was sentenced to five years in prison.

Hoping to turn his life around upon release, Julio worked for Corcraft, New York State’s prison labor manufacturing division, and took all available education courses while incarcerated. “I did everything that was possible to make it home to my family,” he said. “I wasn’t making trouble; I learned my lesson.” That work paid off. After four-and-a-half years, he earned early release.

But instead of being released at the completion of his sentence, Julio was immediately swept up by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and placed in immigration detention. Even though he was a green card holder with permanent resident status, New York State officials contacted ICE, triggering deportation proceedings and his transfer to immigration detention.

“I said, ‘Oh my God, this can’t be true,’” said Julio, who left the Dominican Republic at age eight. “Imagine doing your whole time and they put you in another cell.”

Unable to afford an attorney who could argue for his release, Julio was held in a prison-like detention center. Human rights abuses abound in U.S. immigration detention, according to the federal government’s own reports. Justifications for the practice of detention fall flat, as it is not needed to ensure that people appear in immigration court, nor does it deter migration.

Julio described the detention facility as worse than prison. “You were in a cell with no fresh air most of your time; you only get an hour to go out,” he said. “The rec area was straight metal, like if you [were] in a cage like a dog.”

A broken system

Julio’s story shows the importance of transforming an immigration system that is rooted xenophobia and racism, and of breaking its ties to an equally racist and unjust criminal legal system. Reforms that could help fix this broken system include ending mandatory detention, and rolling back harmful laws that linked the criminal legal and immigration systems. The United States should also provide universal representation to all people facing deportation.

In the 1990s, laws like the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) made immigrants subject to detention and deportation if convicted of a wide range of infractions, including minor crimes. As a result, hundreds of thousands of long-time U.S. residents have been separated from their families and exiled from their homes for even minor transgressions, like drug possession and shoplifting.

IIRIRA and the changes it brought to an immigration system which criminalizes immigrants has particularly harmed Black immigrants, who are overpoliced. The same prejudices that pervade the criminal legal system extend to the immigration system. Just as Black people are more likely than white people to be targeted by police, research suggests that Black immigrants are also disproportionately vulnerable to immigration enforcement.

Attorneys can help people who are facing deportation, but immigrants face unique obstacles to retaining counsel. Unlike in criminal court, where the Sixth Amendment guarantees anyone convicted of a crime the right to legal representation, people facing deportation in immigration court are only guaranteed representation if they can afford a lawyer themselves. Most cannot. There are nearly 2.4 million cases pending in immigration court, in which more than 1.4 million people lack legal representation. Adults, families, and, sometimes, even children are forced to appear alone in court, defending themselves against trained government attorneys. The daunting complexity of immigration law stacks the odds against them, particularly for immigrants who are unfamiliar with speaking English."

The Immigration System is Racist; Solutions Exist | Vera Institute

 

Lol. Over 90% of the gun crime in New York City is committed by non-Whites. Disproportional my f'n ass.

This is exactly why Democrats will never be serious about enforcing gun laws. Doing so would be racist.

Black Americans account for 2/3s of the country's homicides via gun violence.  

Same story in Canada with the Liberals and now they're mass importing gun violence into our cities.

Black Canadians commit gun crimes at obscene disproportional per capita rates. Hush hush...taboo, not only that we're still going to gaslight you anyway! Gfy.

Let's see how that denialism plays out in a decade or so. 

Edited June 19 by CDN1

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CDN1 said:

Disproportional my f'n ass.

The article mentions disproportionate police stops without any evidence of any wrongdoing.

Your language puts yourself in a suspicious category.  If you talked like that with a police officer, you would probably be under investigation.

"A report by the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police."

The Top 10 Most Startling Facts About People of Color and Criminal Justice in the United States - Center for American Progress

Edited June 19 by blackbird

[CDN1]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The article mentions disproportionate police stops without any evidence of any wrongdoing.

Your language puts yourself in a suspicious category.  If you talked like that with a police officer, you would probably be under investigation.

"A report by the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police."

The Top 10 Most Startling Facts About People of Color and Criminal Justice in the United States - Center for American Progress

Lmao. So, far less disproportional than the actual crime rates. Go on, and keep weaponizing harsh truths because reality doesn't fit your narrative.

Edited June 19 by CDN1

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, CDN1 said:

Lmao. So, far less disproportional than the actual crime rates. Go on, and keep weaponizing harsh truths because reality doesn't fit your narrative.

The subject is the history of racism, not crime.  We know that crime statistics are bad, but that does not justify systemic racism.   It is all through society in every sphere.  The point is there is rampant hatred in the world and this is one example of it.  

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The subject is the history of racism, not crime.  We know that crime statistics are bad, but that does not justify systemic racism.   It is all through society in every sphere.  The point is there is rampant hatred in the world and this is one example of it.  

Ok...this has gone from a simple misunderstanding to pure silliness.

If your goal is to abolish racism...you're pissing into the wind. Racist reactions are an ancient instinct. A fear of "the other" for survival purposes. 

However...there is nothing racist about the removal of illegal aliens in one's nation. The race...or denomination...of these illegal aliens is not a consideration.

Try living within reality. It can be harsh at times, but it's better than fooling yourself.

Edited June 19 by Nationalist

[User]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The subject is the history of racism, not crime.  We know that crime statistics are bad, but that does not justify systemic racism.   It is all through society in every sphere.  The point is there is rampant hatred in the world and this is one example of it.  

This is a baseless assertion. You presume racism because of disparity. You have yet to actually prove racism exists. 

If we follow your absurd logic, the NBA and NFL are racist, because they have disparity towards more black people... 

Disparity in outcomes != Racism

 

 

[blackbird]

51 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Try living within reality. It can be harsh at times, but it's better than fooling yourself.

I live with reality all the time and am not fooling myself.   Unfortunately, I think you have been fooled along with most of the world.  

How so you might say.  That is a long story, but very briefly it all comes down to what God says in the Bible.

I know you, like most here, don't want to hear about it, but it is the hard truth.

The King James Bible explains it clearly.  Man is a corrupt fallen sinner.

That is the cause of all the hate in the world.  Couldn't say it simpler.

Get yourself a King James Bible and study it.

51 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If your goal is to abolish racism...you're pissing into the wind. Racist reactions are an ancient instinct. A fear of "the other" for survival purposes. 

Of course I can't abolish racism.  Neither can you or anybody else on here abolish any of the evils in the world or change the world.

  I am only pointing out one of the big problems in the world.  It is one subject of many that come up on the forum.  Likely it will change nothing.  But sometimes there is the odd person that learns something on a forum.  Perhaps we do learn a little about how other people think.

Edited June 19 by blackbird

[Deluge]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1. I live with reality all the time and am not fooling myself.   Unfortunately, I think you have been fooled along with most of the world.  

How so you might say.  That is a long story, but very briefly it all comes down to what God says in the Bible.

I know you, like most here, don't want to hear about it, but it is the hard truth.

The King James Bible explains it clearly.  Man is a corrupt fallen sinner.

That is the cause of all the hate in the world.  Couldn't say it simpler.

Get yourself a King James Bible and study it.

2. Of course I can't abolish racism.  Neither can you or anybody else on here abolish any of the evils in the world or change the world.

  I am only pointing out one of the big problems in the world.  It is one subject of many that come up on the forum.  Likely it will change nothing.  But sometimes there is the odd person that learns something on a forum.  Perhaps we do learn a little about how other people think.

1. I have studied the KJV, and it doesn't say what you think it says. EVERYONE has hope, but you can't just stand there and virtue signal other people - that is hypocritical and anti-Jesus. 

2. Racism is at the heart of the Left. It's why the cultists have been feverishly working to erase white people and brown America at the same time. 

[User]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I live with reality all the time and am not fooling myself.   Unfortunately, I think you have been fooled along with most of the world.  

Oh please, you have gone the way of the coward and hide from me because you don't live in reality and I consistently call you out for it. 

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am only pointing out one of the big problems in the world.  It is one subject of many that come up on the forum.  Likely it will change nothing.  But sometimes there is the odd person that learns something on a forum.  Perhaps we do learn a little about how other people think.

You have yet to point to any racism here to discuss.