First Canadian female combat death in Afghanistan

[Black Dog]

Those Insurgents "meaning afganis, and foriegn fighters" that have been captured in combat have readily confessed that they are either taliban or Al quada.

Well, given the methods used to obtain confessions, I'm not sure how much trust I'd place in such things.

For these extremists it is a great honor for them to kill western troops, that being said laying claim is also part of that right. so when nobody else claims responsibilty. it is can be assumed that they in fact did what they claimed .

Nor is it unusual for terrorists to claim responsibility for events they had no part of in order to bolster their own image. In any case, I'm not denying the Taliban still has adherents, but that they aren't the monolithic and all consuming threat we're told they are.

Correct me if i'm wrong but it was al quada that flew into the trade towers right, and thier are no garentees that they will not bring thier fight to North America again, so why not fight them in afgan on thier home turf. instead of in our streets.

9-11 was a lucky break, their one shining moment in the sun. They'd be very lucky to pull a stunt like that again. And, as recent history has shown the group that conducted those attacks aren't the biggest threat.

That's the weakness of the "flypaper" theory: it assume sa finite numbe rof terrorists all in Afghanistan. Eliminate them, says the theory, and you eliminate the threat. But Al Qaeda is not an organization in any meaningful sense of the word: it's an ideology.

That is a matter of opinon i guess, but i personal think that our present freedoms are worth fighting for and defending. As for dying in afgan for our values your wrong Canadain soldiers are dying for our values, without these values i don't think we would be there in the first place.

I beleive our values are worth defending too. But I don't believe our values are under attack in Afghanistan. If anything, we're trying to impose those values on people who haven't a clue what they are.

Your right great powers are not so concerned about trivialities, but then again they are not on the ground we are and those things are what drives soldiers to do what they do.

But they are the one's that send you.

Not true your freedoms are being eroded every day, with the nation trying to keep the scumbags out. longer waiting lines at the airports, more tax dollars being spent on security measures, tougher imigration rules, How many laws have changed in the name of national defense in regards to our personal freedoms look how many rights in the US and Canada are being bent in the cause of national defense..., listening to personal phone calls, with out warrents...etc etc. So are you being effected Yes, it all change on 9/11, and Bin Ladin crew.

But you'll notice it's not Osama bin Laden that's doing any of those things: it's our own governments. I don't believe OBL and the Islamonazininjas are a existensial threat to our way of life. At best, they are a nuisance, a dangerous pest. They are also a great bogey man that allows governments to exercise their authoritarian tendancies. If we, as citizens of a democracy, allow our states to strip our freedoms away in the name of security, that's not Osama bin Laden's fault, or George W. Bush's. It's ours.

[betsy]

But you'll notice it's not Osama bin Laden that's doing any of those things: it's our own governments. I don't believe OBL and the Islamonazininjas are a existensial threat to our way of life. At best, they are a nuisance, a dangerous pest.

You believe the killing of thousands in 9/11 was not an example of existential threat to our way of life....that those terrorists were just a nuisance and dangerous pest?

How come you think this way?

[KrustyKidd]

You believe the killing of thousands in 9/11 was not an example of existential threat to our way of life....that those terrorists were just a nuisance and dangerous pest?

Because that wasn't the point nor the target of the action. It was only designed to get a reaction to aid the cause of the organization called Al Qaeda that is one of many who all strive for the same objective - to restore the former Islamic state of the Caliphate. Black Dog nailed it down pretty good with....

9-11 was a lucky break, their one shining moment in the sun. They'd be very lucky to pull a stunt like that again. And, as recent history has shown the group that conducted those attacks aren't the biggest threat.

So correct. And, you will notice that the terrorist attacks occuring across the former Caliphate are all done by different groups. All with connections and all without a hard line of communications yet, they are all targeting the same thing - governments that are weak and stand a good chance of failing if a final push is given.

It's a chipping action, almost like they were waiting for a caticlyism of sorts to push it all over the edge.

[betsy]

You believe the killing of thousands in 9/11 was not an example of existential threat to our way of life....that those terrorists were just a nuisance and dangerous pest?

Because that wasn't the point nor the target of the action. It was only designed to get a reaction to aid the cause of the organization called Al Qaeda that is one of many who all strive for the same objective - to restore the former Islamic state of the Caliphate. Black Dog nailed it down pretty good with....

9-11 was a lucky break, their one shining moment in the sun. They'd be very lucky to pull a stunt like that again. And, as recent history has shown the group that conducted those attacks aren't the biggest threat.

So correct. And, you will notice that the terrorist attacks occuring across the former Caliphate are all done by different groups. All with connections and all without a hard line of communications yet, they are all targeting the same thing - governments that are weak and stand a good chance of failing if a final push is given.

It's a chipping action, almost like they were waiting for a caticlyism of sorts to push it all over the edge.

So the wheel of orchestration had started.

But what is the end gain?

Isn't it the elimination of all infidels? And all non-Islams are considered the infidels.

[scribblet]

You believe the killing of thousands in 9/11 was not an example of existential threat to our way of life....that those terrorists were just a nuisance and dangerous pest?

It's a chipping action, almost like they were waiting for a caticlyism of sorts to push it all over the edge.

So the wheel of orchestration had started.

But what is the end gain?

Isn't it the elimination of all infidels? And all non-Islams are considered the infidels.

Pretty much, the end game is a world wide Caliphate founded on Sharia Law.