Trump has officially entered the psychotic emperor phase.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Maybe... maybe not. Boeing said maybe by 2027. This keeps the pressure on them. 

I never said it would be cheaper to convert this new aircraft, I made no comment on that at all. 

You were here bragging about Boeing delivering these faster... when that is because of the pressure Trump put on them, and now you want Trump to not put that pressure on them... make up your mind. 

I'm not bragging about anything, just marvelling at your obstinance. You brag about Trump saving money out of one side of your mouth then justify blowing it out of the other side.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Boeing ones are being built anyway because they need two. This will be a very expensive unnecessary third. 

It will be cheap like borsht.  If it only costs a couple hundred million as you claim it's peanuts compared to the 4 billion PER PLANE that the new boeing ones will cost.  

Lets see..... 4 billion.... vs a few hundred million. You're good at math right?  

And why is this "unnecessary'?  Show me the study that proves that.  Show me the committee that met and decided that.

It's your OPINION and it's not a very informed opinion.  

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Boeing now says the new aircraft will be delivered in 2027.

Lie. 

They say they MIGHT be able to  IF the pentagon and gov't makes a bunch of concessions to allow it to get it done faster.  If that happens they HOPE!!! Hope the FIRST one will be ready by then but the second will still be years after that. 

And given how badly they've missed their targets, it could be a lot later than that. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I'm not bragging about anything, just marvelling at your obstinance. You brag about Trump saving money out of one side of your mouth then justify blowing it out of the other side.

The savings are real. Trump really did save money, it can be counted.  The 'blowing' it is YOUR feelings, not fact. 

Trump is the guy who has to make the calls. He may feel there's GREAT value in flying that plane and showing off it's wealth, and saying to other nations "wow, these guys gave the US this baby, what have YOU done for the US?  

Making others pay tribute has ALWAYS been a power move. 

And in the end trump saved over 3 billion on the boeing contract so if he spends a couple hundred million here he's still WAAY ahead in the aircraft department.   

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Boeing ones are being built anyway because they need two. This will be a very expensive unnecessary third. 

CdnLIAR strikes out again.

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Boeing now says the new aircraft will be delivered in 2027. The terms of the contract requires Boeing to absorb all cost overruns in excess of the original contracted price of 3.6 billion for both aircraft. Trumps ego trip will add another billion or so to the replacement cost.

He still needs Congressional approval for that "addon."

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

If Boeing is having to eat 2.5 billion to build the new aircraft, how much are they going to charge to convert this flying palace.

They will charge A LOT to make up for their losses on the real AF1s

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

CdnLIAR strikes out again.

 

LOLOL  well there you go guys,  Robosmith is so afraid of me he can't even bring himself to address me directy   Poor little guy, i should send him a box of diapers for all the times i've made him soil himself  

And he missed the fact that this one would be in operation long before the other two were operational   

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

So why do you want Trump to blow a ton more money on an aircraft they won't need?  Boeing is working with two new aircraft that were never delivered, why do you think it would be any cheaper to try and convert a 13 year old aircraft that has been flying around the Qatari royal family?

He may have saved money on the Boeing machines but he is going to p*ss it away on this Qatari machine then park it when he leaves office. He won't end up saving you FA.

He's NOT going to park it, at least not until the library is finished about 10 years later.

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I'm not bragging about anything, just marvelling at your obstinance. You brag about Trump saving money out of one side of your mouth then justify blowing it out of the other side.

No, what you are trying to say is that I present all the facts.

You just want to irrationally hate Trump and present only the negative or outright lies.

 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, User said:

No, what you are trying to say is that I present all the facts.

You just want to irrationally hate Trump and present only the negative or outright lies.

 

This is what their entire argument boils down to. Orange man bad me hate orange man, orange man like this me hate this.

The facts have been clearly presented. IF trump accepts this on behalf of the US then it will be a gift to the US not to trump. If trump pays a few hundred million to get it ready to use as AF1 that is a SCREAMINGLY good deal  and it will fill a gap till the planes that he pushed like hell to get ready earlier are done, and after it'll be part of history and if he decides to put it in a museum it'll be a popular tourist venue for americans, 

There's nothing wrong with any of that. and considering the actual cost of replacement planes is almost 6 billion a plane (he got them for 3.5 i believe) he will have acquired a fill in plane for ultra bargain prices to serve till the others are someday ready. 

But it's all horrible and terrible because orange man. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, what you are trying to say is that I present all the facts.

You just want to irrationally hate Trump and present only the negative or outright lies.

 

You ignore the facts. I don't hate Trump or anyone else but this is just stupid. CdnFox would shit himself if a Liberal politician did something like this in Canada and so would I. 

Edited Thursday at 06:13 PM by Aristides

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You ignore the facts. I don't hate Trump or anyone else but this is just stupid. CdnFox would shit himself if a Liberal politician did something like this in Canada and so would I. 

Of course you hate Trump, if not, then you wouldn;t be here pontificating about the Golden Icarus.

[User]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You ignore the facts. I don't hate Trump or anyone else but this is just stupid. CdnFox would shit himself if a Liberal politician did something like this in Canada and so would I. 

LOL, have you seen your posting on here? Your sole focus is on hating Trump. You only present the most negative or outright lies about him and then when I post all the facts and mention the good... you criticize me. 

 

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, Legato said:

Of course you hate Trump, if not, then you wouldn;t be here pontificating about the Golden Icarus.

As a former airline pilot I know just how dumb this is. Beside the cost of converting another aircraft, they will either have maintain one more than they need or mothball one of them. The extra costs won’t end with the conversion. You guys are so drunk on the Kool Aid that you can’t accept something so simple.

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You ignore the facts. I don't hate Trump

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!  DUDE!  Please! 

I don't hate jews  -Hitler

I don't hate capitalists - stalin

I don't hate mondays - Garfield

I don't hate trump -Aristides 

[Aristides]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!  DUDE!  Please! 

I don't hate jews  -Hitler

I don't hate capitalists - stalin

I don't hate mondays - Garfield

I don't hate trump -Aristides 

Trump is a vindictive ahole but I don’t hate him. I just recognize him for what he is. He isn’t always wrong either.

You would have gone ballistic if Trudeau pulled something like this and you know it. And you would be right.

Edited Thursday at 07:56 PM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Trump is a vindictive ahole but I don’t hate him. I just recognize him for what he is. He isn’t always wrong either.

You would have gone ballistic if Trudeau pulled something like this and you know it. And you would be right.

Ok, fair enough, although i think if you're going to say you don't hate him you'll have to concede it's beyond mere 'dislike'  

Trudeau pulled lots of things like this.  And worse. He spent a quarter million in 7 days on AIRLINE FOOD for god's sake.  And there were things he was considering like this that i was a proponent of, such as redoing 24 sussex.  I said we should totally do a compete reno or rebulid and spend the money, it's important to look like we're serious and well off when we entertain foreign dignitaries. That's why there's a white house and Downing street and buck palace etc. 

And i was the first to shout down people when they talked about how much Trudeau spent in security for some of his trips. It costs money for prime ministers to travel and be safe and if they decide they're going to ship a special car overseas to use then that's what it takes and that's their decision. I was the same with harper. 

In this case I just don't see it as a big deal.  IF - and it's still if- IF he takes the plane and uses it then he feels it's appropriate given all the factors which he'll have more information on than we do and it'll just be a part of him doing his job and at the end of the day we should judge him on results.  How much deficit was there, how did the economy perform during his term, how's inflation, blah blah blah.  IF he feels having this jet will somehow help or be better then whatever. The US budgets are in the trillions,  a few million is chump change if he thinks it's what he needs. 

I'm still a lot more pissed off about the 1000 dollar a plate dinners trudeau had on his airplane for god's sake. 

[Aristides]

I agree with you about  Trudeau but that was peanuts compared to this. Doesn't make Trudeau any more right though

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I agree with you about  Trudeau but that was peanuts compared to this. Doesn't make Trudeau any more right though

Well my point wasn't to compare them in scale but rather severity. The point I was making was there were things that Trudeau did that I definitely didn't agree with but there were also things that I did support that he was looking at doing which could by many standards be called vanity projects, i call them as i see them regardless of political stripe. 

Honestly i see this as being pretty run of the mill, A plane is needed, he doesn't like the planes in service, he's made every effort to get new planes but boeing is effing up and looks like they'll continue to eff up for some time, this is a POSSIBLE replacement and frankly there is much value in a world leader appearing to have ridiculously lavish gear like planes or cars or houses of state etc.  Sends a powerful message and has for the last 3000 years of human civilization. 

If he takes it and if he decides its worth dropping a few hundred mil into in order to use it then i don't see it as being anything of particular note. if he chooses to move it to his library after he retires and presumaby once both the other planes are online then fine, it would be a piece of history and why not. 

 

All of which doesn't mean YOU can't still say 'i think it's a bad idea' and fair enough, but that would just be an opinion, he would have done nothing WRONG by going down that path. 

Kinda feels like we're going to just circle if we keep going so i'll let  you have the last comment unless you come up with something really interesting that we havent' said before, i think we've made our points. 

Edited Thursday at 09:43 PM by CdnFox

[Aristides]

Ya, it's a pain that the new ones are so late but there is nothing wrong with the existing aircraft that makes this any sense. It's not like they are falling apart, they don't average 16 hrs a day in the air like the average long range airliner. They are probably the lowest time B747-200's in the world. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya, it's a pain that the new ones are so late but there is nothing wrong with the existing aircraft that makes this any sense. It's not like they are falling apart, they don't average 16 hrs a day in the air like the average long range airliner. They are probably the lowest time B747-200's in the world. 

The current pair of AF1 aircraft went into service in 1990. 35 years! LOL They do not simply not age because they are not flown as much. All of the components are still impacted by weather, temperature, and materials still age, even without fatigue from flight hours. 

Since then, the aircraft's needs and capabilities have grown, and that is about the end of the airframe's life span. 

Like I said earlier though, you folks are just fine with Boeing never delivering the planes on time or on budget. If you had your way we would be paying billions on these planes for another decade... because, oh well. 

 

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, User said:

The current pair of AF1 aircraft went into service in 1990. 35 years! LOL They do not simply not age because they are not flown as much. All of the components are still impacted by weather, temperature, and materials still age, even without fatigue from flight hours. 

Since then, the aircraft's needs and capabilities have grown, and that is about the end of the airframe's life span. 

Like I said earlier though, you folks are just fine with Boeing never delivering the planes on time or on budget. If you had your way we would be paying billions on these planes for another decade... because, oh well. 

 

They are low time, low cycles and always hangared when they are in Washington. The don't sit out except when the President is visiting somewhere. They lead a pampered life compared to just about any civil aircraft. They went into service one year earlier than Trump's personal B757 which did see airline service before he bought it.

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, Aristides said:

They are low time, low cycles and always hangared when they are in Washington. The don't sit out except when the President is visiting somewhere. They lead a pampered life compared to just about any civil aircraft. They went into service one year earlier than Trump's personal B757 which did see airline service before he bought it.

Hilarious to see LUser pontificating on the maintenance and lifespan of AF1 jets out of TOTAL IGNORANCE.

LUser would make Dunning and Kruger proud.