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[Hodad]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Actually, the both judges were immigration judges. The first was an immigration judge, the second was an appellate court immigration judge. Nothing you have said has been in line with reality. Who is feeding you these lies?

No, exactly as I said, district court judge Paula Xinis ordered his return. The administration has broken and continues to break the law, as affirmed by the SCOTUS. 

This is the United States of America, not yet Trumpistan. A court order is a court order, and the executive can't ignore it and the AG can't overturn it or retroactively deem actions legal. 

Whatever bullshit you read on Twitter, this is reality.

Edited yesterday at 12:49 PM by Hodad

[Legato]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

It is unfortunate that you put your FAITH in a completely dishonest MEME.

IF you bothered to research the matter instead of just TROLLING, you would know that all of that equipment was destroyed or disabled and that is SOP when it is NOT worth shipping the equipment back to the US.

IOW FCK YOU.

So show us the research that proves .your claim.

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

No, exactly as I said, district court judge Paula Xinis ordered his return. The administration has broken and continues to break the law, as affirmed by the SCOTUS. 

This is the United States of America, not yet Trumpistan. A court order is a court order, and the executive can't ignore it and the AG can't overturn it or retroactively deem actions legal. 

Whatever bullshit you read on Twitter, this is reality.

Well, now you've changed to rulings after he was deported. That's where you want the goal posts now? Fine.

If he is not MS13, El Salvador is now safer than upwards of 10 US cities, including Baltimore. He is no longer in danger of gang violence in El Salvador. His previous protection is bo longer valid. He can be deported. If he is MS13, he is part of a terrorist organization (as defined by the current administration) and is not subject to protections from other terrorist organizations and thus he can be deported.

Where do you want to move the goal posts too now?

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43 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Well, now you've changed to rulings after he was deported. That's where you want the goal posts now? Fine.

If he is not MS13, El Salvador is now safer than upwards of 10 US cities, including Baltimore. He is no longer in danger of gang violence in El Salvador. His previous protection is bo longer valid. He can be deported. If he is MS13, he is part of a terrorist organization (as defined by the current administration) and is not subject to protections from other terrorist organizations and thus he can be deported.

Where do you want to move the goal posts too now?

I didn't change anyything. I said the government broke the law, as adjudicated in court. You said they didn't, because Bondi could "overrule an immigration judge WRT withholding. But a) she didn't do that, and b) it's not an immigration judge that ruled that the administration broke the law, it's a district court judge. This is not hard. They broke the law. The district court said they broke the law and had to bring him back. The SCOTUS affirmed that they broke the law and had to facilitate his return. 

You now want to argue that he's safer in some El Salvadoran nightmare prison than he was living a regular life with his wife and 3 kids? GTFO. This is just next-level dishonesty. --

A man who was legally in this country, working a steady union job to support his family, without any criminal record in this country or any other was suddenly snatched up, put on a plane, flown to a foreign country and put in prison. Think about how farking insane that is. That's nothing remotely resembling justice. That's third-world dictator shit. And you're loving it. You're disgusting.

Edited yesterday at 04:07 PM by Hodad

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

So show us the research that proves .your claim.

First you show us the research that proves YOUR MEME.

You won't because you CANNOT.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

First you show us the research that proves YOUR MEME.

You won't because you CANNOT.

So you can't as usual, at least you're consistent..

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, Legato said:

So you can't as usual, at least you're consistent..

You started the claim with your MEME; PROVE IT.

Until you do, I can easily refute it with ONLY MY OPINION. 

However I have much more and you DO NOT.

Calling me consistent doesn't prove YOUR CLAIM.

 

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You started the claim with your MEME; PROVE IT.

Until you do, I can easily refute it with ONLY MY OPINION. 

However I have much more and you DO NOT.

Calling me consistent doesn't prove YOUR CLAIM.

 

The meme says it all and your blather does not compute.

Consistent

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Legato said:

The meme says it all and your blather does not compute.

Consistent

Then you're an lDIOT if you believe your "meme says it all."

Anyone can make a LYING MEME. ONLY a FOOL will believe YOU.

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Then you're an lDIOT if you believe your "meme says it all."

Anyone can make a LYING MEME. ONLY a FOOL will believe YOU.

You made the assertion that the meme was not true, If that were the case then proving that fact should be easy.

Are you just too lazy or are the facts not to your liking

[robosmith]

27 minutes ago, Legato said:

You made the assertion that the meme was not true, If that were the case then proving that fact should be easy.

Are you just too lazy or are the facts not to your liking

I don't need any source to prove your unproven meme is false, because you've provided NOTHING to prove it true.

Just post your evidence and I will destroy it with a much more credible source than NewSmacks.

Edited 22 hours ago by robosmith

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

I didn't change anyything. I said the government broke the law, as adjudicated in court. You said they didn't, because Bondi could "overrule an immigration judge WRT withholding. But a) she didn't do that, and b) it's not an immigration judge that ruled that the administration broke the law, it's a district court judge. This is not hard. They broke the law. The district court said they broke the law and had to bring him back. The SCOTUS affirmed that they broke the law and had to facilitate his return. 

You now want to argue that he's safer in some El Salvadoran nightmare prison than he was living a regular life with his wife and 3 kids? GTFO. This is just next-level dishonesty. --

A man who was legally in this country, working a steady union job to support his family, without any criminal record in this country or any other was suddenly snatched up, put on a plane, flown to a foreign country and put in prison. Think about how farking insane that is. That's nothing remotely resembling justice. That's third-world dictator shit. And you're loving it. You're disgusting.

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. What the judge ruled was that there was an order for removal but not to El Salvador. That order was predicated on his safety. You also said he hadn't broken any laws, but he's in jail on El Salvador. The judge ruled, correctly, that the paperwork wasn't in order. That can be fixed and the ruling can be over turned. Bondi can and should over turn the immigration judge orders because his argument that he's in danger in El Salvador is moot. Either he's not a gang member and he's in no danger or he is a gang member and he belongs in that prison.

Tell us why El Salvador imprisoned him of he's not an MS13 gang member? Do they just randomly jail people?

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1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. What the judge ruled was that there was an order for removal but not to El Salvador. That order was predicated on his safety. You also said he hadn't broken any laws, but he's in jail on El Salvador. The judge ruled, correctly, that the paperwork wasn't in order. That can be fixed and the ruling can be over turned. Bondi can and should over turn the immigration judge orders because his argument that he's in danger in El Salvador is moot. Either he's not a gang member and he's in no danger or he is a gang member and he belongs in that prison.

Tell us why El Salvador imprisoned him of he's not an MS13 gang member? Do they just randomly jail people?

Jeebus. El Slavador has imprisoned the people we sent there because we paid them to imprison the people we sent there. It's not like they showed up in El Salvador and had a trial. The Trump administration literally just renditioned people to a third-world gulag and then is pretending it's out of their hands. 

No criminal record. No cause or evidence for being detained. No trial here. No trial there. Just pulled over while driving with his kid, detained, put on a plane and sent to prison. It's insane.

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[gatomontes99]

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Jeebus. El Slavador has imprisoned the people we sent there because we paid them to imprison the people we sent there. It's not like they showed up in El Salvador and had a trial. The Trump administration literally just renditioned people to a third-world gulag and then is pretending it's out of their hands. 

No criminal record. No cause or evidence for being detained. No trial here. No trial there. Just pulled over while driving with his kid, detained, put on a plane and sent to prison. It's insane.

He had multiple trials here. What are you talking about? He was in a gang. That was proven...PROVEN...in court. Twice. You've lost all touch with reality. I suggest you find a reputable news spurce that gives you facts. Whatever you are watching/reading is lying to you.

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

He had multiple trials here. What are you talking about? He was in a gang. That was proven...PROVEN...in court. Twice. You've lost all touch with reality. I suggest you find a reputable news spurce that gives you facts. Whatever you are watching/reading is lying to you.

It wasn't proven. He was given an order of NON-DEPORTATION and Trump violated that.

That's why the DoJ lawyer said it was a MISTAKE IN COURT.  Duh. 

Supreme Court Affirms Lawlessness of the Removal of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

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The constitutional crisis has arrived, unsurprisingly with someone particularly vulnerable to exploitation and abuse caught in the crosshairs: a non-U.S. citizen, working-class father of three small children. Kilmar Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador as a teenager and sought refuge in the United States. He gained legal permission to remain in the United States and established a life here. But in March of 2025, Mr. Abrego Garcia would find himself unlawfully deported and detained in a Salvadoran prison with the very gang members he had fled.

 

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5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

He had multiple trials here. What are you talking about? He was in a gang. That was proven...PROVEN...in court. Twice. You've lost all touch with reality. I suggest you find a reputable news spurce that gives you facts. Whatever you are watching/reading is lying to you.

Jeebus. You are just full to the brim with crap. He has never had a criminal trial, let alone a conviction. 

1. He was interviewed for loitering (day labor line at Home Depot) in 2019. He was not charged with any crime whatsoever and was instead referred to immigration because he was in the country illegally. 

2. He was accused of being in a gang, but denied it. The evidence of him being in a gang is pretty thin, but Judge 1 --at hearing, not trial--found it plausible and was willing to deport him. He was then granted an order of withholding and was released with a work permit. At that point he is legally in the country and able to work. No "proven" gang membership because there was no trial. A judge simply found it believable at a hearing--which is a WILDLY different standard of evidence than a criminal trial.  

So, for five years he's fine, legally living and working in the US with a good job and a family. No trouble. No crime. No trial. No conviction. 

And then one day he gets pulled over, detained, put on a plane and shipped to a prison in El Salvador.  AGAIN, without any trial or conviction. Just plucked out of a normal life and shipped to a gulag in another country. 

It's beyond farked up. It's insane that you people think this is justice or is a precedent we should set. 

I don't care if you believe deep down in your shriveled heart that someone has gang ties, in America we don't just grab that person off the street and send them to prison. Due farking process.

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11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It wasn't proven. He was given an order of NON-DEPORTATION and Trump violated that.

That's why the DoJ lawyer said it was a MISTAKE IN COURT.  Duh. 

Supreme Court Affirms Lawlessness of the Removal of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

 

Whoa. No. That is a total outright lie. The SCOTUS decision did not require the Executive Branch to return Garcia. It only required that they facilitate the action should El Salvador request he be returned. They have not made such a request. Further, the decision admonished Xinis for not taking note of the deference to the Executive branch. It is not an appellate court's place to dictate policy or action. Xinis got smacked like a batman meme for what the ruling stated.

What was done incorrectly was not over turning the immigration court ruling prior to deportation. Deportation was always going to happen and I have detailed why above. They screwed up the paperwork. That's all. The action was right and just. Garcia was ordered deported, he was. El Salvador jailed him upon return.

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

He was interviewed for loitering (day labor line at Home Depot) in 2019. He was not charged with any crime whatsoever and was instead referred to immigration because he was in the country illegally. 

That's a crime.

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

He was accused of being in a gang, but denied it. The evidence of him being in a gang is pretty thin, but Judge 1 --at hearing, not trial--found it plausible and was willing to deport him.

No. Judge 1 said he was in a gang and ordered him deported. I gave you a link to the actual court documents. Go look it up.

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

So, for five years he's fine, legally living and working in the US with a good job and a family. No trouble. No crime. No trial. No conviction. 

Bullshit. He wasn't fine. He was convicted of being here illegally. The only reason he wasn't deported is because he couldn't be sent to El Salvador. He wasn't here legally. He was here illegally with no way to enforce his Lawlessness.

 

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's beyond farked up. It's insane that you people think this is justice or is a precedent we should set. 

What's "farked" up is supporting a proven gang member over women and girls that have been raped and killed because your gawd, Joe Biden (more accurately, the councel of presidents) refused to enforce the law.

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28 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

That's a crime.

No. Judge 1 said he was in a gang and ordered him deported. I gave you a link to the actual court documents. Go look it up.

Bullshit. He wasn't fine. He was convicted of being here illegally. The only reason he wasn't deported is because he couldn't be sent to El Salvador. He wasn't here legally. He was here illegally with no way to enforce his Lawlessness.

 

What's "farked" up is supporting a proven gang member over women and girls that have been raped and killed because your gawd, Joe Biden (more accurately, the councel of presidents) refused to enforce the law.

You're just getting more vapid as you repeat this crap. 

Yes, the first immigration judge did indeed say that. As acknowledged multiple times. That does NOT make something proven nor it it conviction of a crime. Jeebus. It was not a trial. There is no explicit standard of evidence. The judge just decides if someone can stay or go. That's it. 

Yes, someone with a withholding of removal status is here legally. The legal system, legally and explicitly, said that they can remain in the country. They are issued a work permit.

 

And you end with some epic bullshit there. He's not a proven gang member, but rather accused of being in a gang with very thin evidence. And there's no evidence whatsoever of him being involved in raping or killing women or girls, you asshat. He was just a guy with a job and a family, legally living in the US. -- Despite the accusations of being in a gang, in all the years he's been in the US (and on the planet) he's never been accused, tried or convicted of a crime. Even with all the scrutiny and regular check-ins (never missed) for his immigration status, never a whiff of him doing anything criminal. 

And again, whether he's the world's most super secret gang member when he's not at work or with his family, is irrelevant. Even people who ARE in gangs get a trial. They are not scooped up off the street and sent to prison in farking El Salvador. 

You are arguing that it's fine to scoop people off the street and just send them to a foreign prison. No need for a trial even! That's pretty goddamn monstrous--and about as unAmerican as it gets--but there you are. 

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You're just getting more vapid as you repeat this crap. 

Yes, the first immigration judge did indeed say that. As acknowledged multiple times. That does NOT make something proven nor it it conviction of a crime. Jeebus. It was not a trial. There is no explicit standard of evidence. The judge just decides if someone can stay or go. That's it. 

Yes, someone with a withholding of removal status is here legally. The legal system, legally and explicitly, said that they can remain in the country. They are issued a work permit.

 

And you end with some epic bullshit there. He's not a proven gang member, but rather accused of being in a gang with very thin evidence. And there's no evidence whatsoever of him being involved in raping or killing women or girls, you asshat. He was just a guy with a job and a family, legally living in the US. -- Despite the accusations of being in a gang, in all the years he's been in the US (and on the planet) he's never been accused, tried or convicted of a crime. Even with all the scrutiny and regular check-ins (never missed) for his immigration status, never a whiff of him doing anything criminal. 

And again, whether he's the world's most super secret gang member when he's not at work or with his family, is irrelevant. Even people who ARE in gangs get a trial. They are not scooped up off the street and sent to prison in farking El Salvador. 

You are arguing that it's fine to scoop people off the street and just send them to a foreign prison. No need for a trial even! That's pretty goddamn monstrous--and about as unAmerican as it gets--but there you are. 

MAGA CULT is DEAF to any evidence which disputes Trump's CRIMES.

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You're just getting more vapid as you repeat this crap. 

Yes, the first immigration judge did indeed say that. As acknowledged multiple times. That does NOT make something proven nor it it conviction of a crime. Jeebus. It was not a trial. There is no explicit standard of evidence. The judge just decides if someone can stay or go. That's it. 

And what did they use to make the decision on who stays and who goes? Laws? Evidence?

 

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Yes, someone with a withholding of removal status is here legally. The legal system, legally and explicitly, said that they can remain in the country. They are issued a work permit.

But it wasn't a trial. So how could the legal system have done it?

I'm the vapid one?

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

legally living in the US

He's not legally living in the US. That's why he was deported.

 

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

And there's no evidence whatsoever of him being involved in raping or killing women or girls, you asshat.

I never said he was. I said he was part of the group of people that contributed to that.

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Even people who ARE in gangs get a trial. They are not scooped up off the street and sent to prison in farking El Salvador. 

He had two trials and two removal orders.

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are arguing that it's fine to scoop people off the street and just send them to a foreign prison. No need for a trial even! That's pretty goddamn monstrous--and about as unAmerican as it gets--but there you are. 

I never said anything like that. Quote me.

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And what did they use to make the decision on who stays and who goes? Laws? Evidence?

 

But it wasn't a trial. So how could the legal system have done it?

I'm the vapid one?

He's not legally living in the US. That's why he was deported.

 

I never said he was. I said he was part of the group of people that contributed to that.

He had two trials and two removal orders.

I never said anything like that. Quote me.

Supreme Court Affirms Lawlessness of the Removal of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

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The constitutional crisis has arrived, unsurprisingly with someone particularly vulnerable to exploitation and abuse caught in the crosshairs: a non-U.S. citizen, working-class father of three small children. Kilmar Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador as a teenager and sought refuge in the United States. He gained legal permission to remain in the United States and established a life here. But in March of 2025, Mr. Abrego Garcia would find himself unlawfully deported and detained in a Salvadoran prison with the very gang members he had fled.

SCOTUS says YOU ARE WRONG and Trump admin BROKE THE LAW.

[gatomontes99]

Just now, robosmith said:

Supreme Court Affirms Lawlessness of the Removal of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

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The constitutional crisis has arrived, unsurprisingly with someone particularly vulnerable to exploitation and abuse caught in the crosshairs: a non-U.S. citizen, working-class father of three small children. Kilmar Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador as a teenager and sought refuge in the United States. He gained legal permission to remain in the United States and established a life here. But in March of 2025, Mr. Abrego Garcia would find himself unlawfully deported and detained in a Salvadoran prison with the very gang members he had fled.

SCOTUS says YOU ARE WRONG and Trump admin BROKE THE LAW.

Why don't you quote the actual ruling that states the judge over stepped the limits of the office? I guess that wouldn't fit in your fantasy world.

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/24A949

 To that extent, the Government’s emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective.

The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.

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The US Government won the SCOTUS decision.

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21 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And what did they use to make the decision on who stays and who goes? Laws? Evidence?

 

But it wasn't a trial. So how could the legal system have done it?

I'm the vapid one?

He's not legally living in the US. That's why he was deported.

 

I never said he was. I said he was part of the group of people that contributed to that.

He had two trials and two removal orders.

I never said anything like that. Quote me.

WTF? You just tried to argue that there is only one component to the legal system: trials. Give yourself a well deserved and vigorous facepalm.

He was living here legally. He was deported illegally. 

And the government authority to scoop people off the street and imprison them in foreign gulags without trial is exactly what you've been arguing this entire farking time. That's what happened. You say it's right. You support it. Jeebus.

 

[Hodad]

Back to Hegseth the clown. 

Good thing he's here to root out all the softness from the military. Tough as nails! (Well manicured and painted nails.)🤭

 

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