Charting the Danger of the Modern Left

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

Twisted your argument? Read! I just asked you a question, 

You didn't just ask a question at all. You attempted to deflect from my earlier question and suggested that I might agree with somebody that I haven't even commented on.

"just a question" Might have worked when I was seven. If I was particularly tired that day. But every adult here can see what you're trying to do.

He seems to have been suggesting that while it may not be official there are different grades of citizens. If you disagree then you should be able to make an argument against that. That was the whole point.

There is no doubt in Canada that some groups of people and citizens are treated differently for example. First nations have additional rights that are treated differently under the law then Caucasians to give one instance. I suppose that might even count as two different types of citizen, I would imagine it would depend on how you looked at it

[Barquentine]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You didn't just ask a question at all.

I asked: "So do you think there are 2 classes of citizens, the ones he considers real and the other less worthy ones?"

In what parallel universe is that not a question??????????????

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

I asked: "So do you think there are 2 classes of citizens, the ones he considers real and the other less worthy ones?"

In response to a question that I asked you. So it becomes more than just a question. Is it attempt to deflect and to suggest that somehow I'm on the same side as him and that I need to defend that argument with you. It's not just some question that came up in the course of a discussion that you decided to ask.

Again, I'm sure you slay them on the elementary school playgrounds but please don't pretend that any of us are nearly as stupid as you are by suggesting that somehow that was an honest question.

And I see you're still not able to really explain your position. I can explain my position on literally everything and usually fairly concisely (alright, the rest of you can just stop laughing, it IS concise, i'm just really complex  )

SO why is it you can't?

As I said it seems more like you do agree with his position but don't want to and as a result are lashing out.

As further evidence I would point out that you actually then did agree with him directly  

Don't hate me because I'm right  

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I asked: "So do you think there are 2 classes of citizens, the ones he considers real and the other less worthy ones?"

In what parallel universe is that not a question??????????????

It's a stupid question, thats for sure, as I never made that distinction to begin with. YOU made that distinction, but that's only because you're a liar and a sore loser. 

[Deluge]

From the article:

"I have spent my entire career advocating for free-market economic policies, trying to convince the leaders of this country that unnecessary government interference in the market-place — and let’s face it, most government is totally unnecessary — destroys liberty and inhibits prosperity. The authors help to explain why this effort is absolutely necessary. The authors document the inevitable destruction unleashed by the left wherever it has reared its ugly head. They show how the ideas of leftism played a huge role in the creation of our administrative state, the bureaucratic apparatus that defies the Founders’ instructions that the government exists to secure our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Another clear reason for the existence of DOGE.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

From the article:

"I have spent my entire career advocating for free-market economic policies, trying to convince the leaders of this country that unnecessary government interference in the market-place — and let’s face it, most government is totally unnecessary — destroys liberty and inhibits prosperity. The authors help to explain why this effort is absolutely necessary. The authors document the inevitable destruction unleashed by the left wherever it has reared its ugly head. They show how the ideas of leftism played a huge role in the creation of our administrative state, the bureaucratic apparatus that defies the Founders’ instructions that the government exists to secure our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Another clear reason for the existence of DOGE.

All of that is true.... but all of that also applies to tariffs. 

His policy is kind of all over the map right now. 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

All of that is true.... but all of that also applies to tariffs. 

His policy is kind of all over the map right now. 

It sure is. 

What a f*cking mess. 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Deluge said:

It sure is. 

What a f*cking mess. 

I won't lie, i'm a little disappointed about that, i was kind of looking for something a little more like last term where he made some pretty level headed, simple, practical changes that lead to improvements in the economy. This time he's come out of the gate like a bull and it's not going as well as i think he thought it would.  So far anyway, i  mean it's early days. 

But he's clearly not winning the trade war, and now he's fighting that war on three fronts, that's in danger of going seriously bad for him, the firings are happening too fast and furious and will have serious repercussions,  he's not making the world safer by being this much on putin's side,  he's weaking ing his influence over nato and other countries and may well find the US far more isolated and less influential in the coming years.

THe stock markets are horrible, his approval rating just started to dip for the first time, and the inflation numbers due out next week probably won't be going in the direction he'd like. 

Now as i said, he's just one month and change in. Obviously his plan was to hit the ground running and do as much as possible as fast as possible and i think he's getting a bit of a wake up call about that, so he's got lots of time before the midterms to slow down and start to correct some of that. 

But with a very dry growing season predicted (possibly drought) and other factors out of his control, if he doesn't get the factors inside his control in line he's going to have a small recession on his hands and higher inflation and he could face a mess at the midterms. 

[CouchPotato]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I won't lie, i'm a little disappointed about that, i was kind of looking for something a little more like last term where he made some pretty level headed, simple, practical changes that lead to improvements in the economy. This time he's come out of the gate like a bull and it's not going as well as i think he thought it would.  So far anyway, i  mean it's early days.

I can't help but think that after winning a major comeback, in the face of all the lawfare, that now he might think he is invincible. I mean even before all that he was the best at everything. He is the only one that can do it, and when he does it it's the best it's ever been done in history.

[Legato]

On 3/5/2025 at 5:35 PM, robosmith said:

I didn't quote "this before," but you did say this quote TWICE TROLL:

 

 

You forgot nuclear physics.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I can't help but think that after winning a major comeback, in the face of all the lawfare, that now he might think he is invincible. I mean even before all that he was the best at everything. He is the only one that can do it, and when he does it it's the best it's ever been done in history.

Perhaps. Also four years anticipation and the sense of vindication probably plays a role. 

Hopefully he'll settle down into more of a routine and just run the country and we'll see how he does. 

[CouchPotato]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hopefully he'll settle down into more of a routine and just run the country and we'll see how he does. 

He needs a nap. And a cookie.

[Deluge]

On 3/7/2025 at 2:56 PM, CdnFox said:

I won't lie, i'm a little disappointed about that, i was kind of looking for something a little more like last term where he made some pretty level headed, simple, practical changes that lead to improvements in the economy. This time he's come out of the gate like a bull and it's not going as well as i think he thought it would.  So far anyway, i  mean it's early days. 

But he's clearly not winning the trade war, and now he's fighting that war on three fronts, that's in danger of going seriously bad for him, the firings are happening too fast and furious and will have serious repercussions,  he's not making the world safer by being this much on putin's side,  he's weaking ing his influence over nato and other countries and may well find the US far more isolated and less influential in the coming years.

THe stock markets are horrible, his approval rating just started to dip for the first time, and the inflation numbers due out next week probably won't be going in the direction he'd like. 

Now as i said, he's just one month and change in. Obviously his plan was to hit the ground running and do as much as possible as fast as possible and i think he's getting a bit of a wake up call about that, so he's got lots of time before the midterms to slow down and start to correct some of that. 

But with a very dry growing season predicted (possibly drought) and other factors out of his control, if he doesn't get the factors inside his control in line he's going to have a small recession on his hands and higher inflation and he could face a mess at the midterms. 

There's some disappointment here too, but like you, I recognize that it's still early in Trump's presidency, so I won't jump on these guys just yet. In many ways, they're still getting their feet wet, and it's not like Biden left him much to work with, in fact the old piece of sh*t left a total mess. I'm convinced more than ever that the democrats want to shred the constitution and bury this country. 

[Deluge]

More from the article:

Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, Pol Pot, Antifa, Castro, Che Guevara and the like use power to reduce the sanctity of the individual for the common good of the collective. It is a kind of enslavement that degrades the human spirit and makes us poorer over time. But the real villains here are not the leftists of yesteryear who set back the quest for human freedom and material progress, but the modern left — the academics, the politicians, the media mavens — who know, or should know, full well the destruction and retardation of statism, but still selfishly pursue it.

It's baffling that democrats support this shit, as it doesn't reflect American values in any shape or form, yet here they are, day after day, fighting like woke banshees to make this shit happen. Are they truly nuts? 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

There's some disappointment here too, but like you, I recognize that it's still early in Trump's presidency, so I won't jump on these guys just yet. In many ways, they're still getting their feet wet, and it's not like Biden left him much to work with, in fact the old piece of sh*t left a total mess. I'm convinced more than ever that the democrats want to shred the constitution and bury this country. 

Oh I think we should be clear, for all the criticisms the democrats would have been a worst choice

It feels like a case of getting bad advice from bad advisors as the saying goes. I know there was a report produced that said during his first term the tariffs on Canadian steel did not significantly impact the market and the writer believed that more extensive tariffs could be done without necessarily creating economic hardship in America. He may have relied on that a little bit and unfortunately it's not turned out to be entirely accurate. Anybody can see the sense of cutting the government waste but he may not have been fully advised of the repercussions of doing it too quick time of the optics

It kind of looks like he's had his nose rubbed in things a little bit and maybe he'll take a step back and really focus on doing the things he knows as a businessman work to stimulate business.

[Deluge]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh I think we should be clear, for all the criticisms the democrats would have been a worst choice

It feels like a case of getting bad advice from bad advisors as the saying goes. I know there was a report produced that said during his first term the tariffs on Canadian steel did not significantly impact the market and the writer believed that more extensive tariffs could be done without necessarily creating economic hardship in America. He may have relied on that a little bit and unfortunately it's not turned out to be entirely accurate. Anybody can see the sense of cutting the government waste but he may not have been fully advised of the repercussions of doing it too quick time of the optics

It kind of looks like he's had his nose rubbed in things a little bit and maybe he'll take a step back and really focus on doing the things he knows as a businessman work to stimulate business.

I support this thinking as I feel much the same way. I wish Trump would drop all the international stuff and focus strictly on the US for the next couple years. I think that would strengthen the case for Vance or another Republican going into the next presidential race. I think it would also help with congressional and senate races. 

[impartialobserver]

Tariffs and the federal layoffs are going to make for an interesting midterm election season. Its a simple math equation.. if you add to the unemployed number, the unemployment rate goes up. Folks tend to react to that number.. like it or not. Is the increase going to be profound? Probably not. You will see this increase in the april numbers. 

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Tariffs and the federal layoffs are going to make for an interesting midterm election season. Its a simple math equation.. if you add to the unemployed number, the unemployment rate goes up. Folks tend to react to that number.. like it or not. Is the increase going to be profound? Probably not. You will see this increase in the april numbers. 

But when it's fat, stupid, lazy, federal government workers, the American people will understand why the cuts were made in the first place. This will only help the next Republican candidate, which is probably going to be Vance. 

[impartialobserver]

38 minutes ago, Deluge said:

But when it's fat, stupid, lazy, federal government workers, the American people will understand why the cuts were made in the first place. This will only help the next Republican candidate, which is probably going to be Vance. 

This is why being so overzealously partisan blinds you. Folks will see a slight uptick in the unemployment rate and not do any research as to how or why. Also, a lot of things are automated. Meaning that when the number goes up, certain things come into motion. Its not a matter of judgment. Its like turning the key in your car's ignition. Turn the key clockwise (in most cars) and the engine starts and so on. There have been losses in the private sector. With the federal employees being laid off, the folks that provided them inputs/services are no longer needed. 

[Deluge]

59 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

This is why being so overzealously partisan blinds you. Folks will see a slight uptick in the unemployment rate and not do any research as to how or why. Also, a lot of things are automated. Meaning that when the number goes up, certain things come into motion. Its not a matter of judgment. Its like turning the key in your car's ignition. Turn the key clockwise (in most cars) and the engine starts and so on. There have been losses in the private sector. With the federal employees being laid off, the folks that provided them inputs/services are no longer needed. 

So what you're really saying is that unless Trump reinstates all the Federal workers, America will shrivel up and die.

This, of course, will be due to all those laid off workers who are too fat, stupid and lazy to get jobs in the private sector. 

Right? 

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

So what you're really saying is that unless Trump reinstates all the Federal workers, America will shrivel up and die.

This, of course, will be due to all those laid off workers who are too fat, stupid and lazy to get jobs in the private sector. 

Right? 

You are such the master of exaggeration and hyperbole.. Do you recall my writing this (look below)? That is a far cry from shrivel up and die. Unemployment rate will bump up to 4.5 or 4.6. 

Second, you have a lot of hate for folks you do not know. Most of these federal workers are regular joes. They do not work for the federal government due to some civic pride. Not even close.. it pays and it works for them due to geography or whatever. It takes time to get a new job. If you do not know this... curious to know how you can be so out of touch with human nature and reality. 

"Is the increase going to be profound? Probably not. You will see this increase in the april numbers."

[Deluge]

16 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

You are such the master of exaggeration and hyperbole.. Do you recall my writing this (look below)? That is a far cry from shrivel up and die. Unemployment rate will bump up to 4.5 or 4.6. 

Second, you have a lot of hate for folks you do not know. Most of these federal workers are regular joes. They do not work for the federal government due to some civic pride. Not even close.. it pays and it works for them due to geography or whatever. It takes time to get a new job. If you do not know this... curious to know how you can be so out of touch with human nature and reality. 

"Is the increase going to be profound? Probably not. You will see this increase in the april numbers."

Look, I've already pointed out that if the country needs federal workers to step down, then they do it. 

Everyone loses jobs, that's part of life; you need to stop crying like a b*tch for federal workers - America needs them to step down. 

Also, If I'm a business owner and I depend on DC foot traffic, I'm pulling up my stakes and relocating before I go down with my business. 

You're disingenuous, partial, and your hysterics over Federal cuts is fueled by TDS. Go get some help. 

Edited March 11 by Deluge

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Look, I've already pointed out that if the country needs federal workers to step down, then they do it. 

Everyone loses jobs, that's part of life; you need to stop crying like a b*tch for federal workers - America needs them to step down. 

Also, If I'm a business owner and I depend on DC foot traffic, I'm pulling up my stakes and relocating before I go down with my business. 

Your "hysterics" over Federal cuts is fueled by TDS. Go get some help. 

Quite the master of exaggeration... "hysterics". I am as calm as can be. Simply explaining a math equation... you on the other hand are the one engaging in middle school ad hominem attacks. Again.. it is nothing but a simple math equation.. like it or not.  If you have a fraction of x/y and x goes up more than y.. it goes up. Your acceptance of that reality is not necessary. 

Edited March 11 by impartialobserver

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Quite the master of exaggeration... "hysterics". I am as calm as can be. Simply explaining a math equation... you on the other hand are the one engaging in middle school ad hominem attacks. Again.. it is nothing but a simple math equation.. like it or not. 

No you're not, you're jumping on an opportunity to bash Trump, and it's not even a good opportunity. You people need to step back and breathe. We're only 51 days into this thing. It's going to take time. 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No you're not, you're jumping on an opportunity to bash Trump, and it's not even a good opportunity. You people need to step back and breathe. We're only 51 days into this thing. It's going to take time. 

Unemployment is defined as below. If the top goes up due to federal layoffs.. the ratio goes up. I challenge you to disprove this. It is a mathematical certainty. Second, it is human nature to see a rising unemployment rate and to react. It may only rise from 4.1 to 4.6 but folks will react.. your acceptance of that reality again is not necessary. 

unemployed / labor force (employed + unemployed).