The 1910s? Mussolini, Putin, Mao, Hitler? - not the 1930s

[August1991]

IMHO, the most recent collapse of civilisation occurred in Summer 1914

Nowadays, we are not facing Hitler/Putin in the 1930s.

We are facing ourselves in the 1910s.

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We must create a structure of peace.

 

[August1991]

The period of 1914 to 1945 were a disaster in world history.

Thirty Years of Death.

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We must avoid such disasters.

[herbie]

Your post is so far off it's insane.
We're not in anyway entangled in the Imperial desires of monarchs but a perversion of Post WW2 competition of two differing economic systems.

We're stuck in a competition between 2 oligarchs and their fixation on imagined glories of the past.

Edited February 23 by herbie

[August1991]

On 2/23/2025 at 2:44 PM, herbie said:

Your post is so far off it's insane.
We're not in anyway entangled in the Imperial desires of monarchs but a perversion of Post WW2 competition of two differing economic systems.

We're stuck in a competition between 2 oligarchs and their fixation on imagined glories of the past.

I very strongly disagree.

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In these 2020s, we are involved in real politicis.

Let's get along.

 

 

[August1991]

Henry Kissinger, an ambitious Jew, knew more than I ever did. 

As Kissinger wanted, let's create a structure of peace.

Edited February 26 by August1991

[eyeball]

On 2/26/2025 at 12:00 AM, August1991 said:

In these 2020s, we are involved in real politicis.

Let's get along.

Except that conservatives and progressives hate each other's guts.

There will be no getting along until this is resolved.

[herbie]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Except that conservatives and progressives hate each other's guts.

When they spread that line until it was believed by so many and removed the progressive from the party name was when I stopped supporting them ever again. Merged with the Reform party not realizing they were mainly Reform Schoolers more interested in breaking things than fixing them.

[August1991]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Except that conservatives and progressives hate each other's guts.

There will be no getting along until this is resolved.

In America. Not elsewhere.

[August1991]

Given technology, like people in the 1910s, we in the 2020s have a wonderful world.

We can travel and buy from abroad. We live in peace.

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And then the foolish elite created a War, supposed short, and from 1914 to 1945 we ordinary people suffered.

I fear that we face the 1910s.

 

 

Edited March 1 by August1991

[August1991]

World War II?

It would never have occurred without World War I.

Indeed, the Great Depression was a consequence of the Treaty of Versailles.

The period of 1914-1945 in Europe was a collapse in civilisation.

Hitler and Stalin arose in this time. Even in Asia, Mao took power. In America, FDR was a strong man 

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More broadly, why did civilised society collapse in the early 1900s

 

 

 

 

[500channelsurfer]

On 2/28/2025 at 10:43 PM, August1991 said:

More broadly, why did civilised society collapse in the early 1900s

The political systems of the major societies/empires had become antiquated (most were autocracies/kingdoms). 

The major powers had also entered into too many international, competing, and overlapping alliances. 

At the same time, seeing each other increase military buildup, an arms race was triggered (in what turned out to be arms and military strategies that were largely only effective in defensive warfare, which led to a long and costly war).

All these factors required only a spark to trigger off a very large series of significant events.

[August1991]

20 hours ago, 500channelsurfer said:

The political systems of the major societies/empires had become antiquated (most were autocracies/kingdoms). 

The major powers had also entered into too many international, competing, and overlapping alliances. 

At the same time, seeing each other increase military buildup, an arms race was triggered (in what turned out to be arms and military strategies that were largely only effective in defensive warfare, which led to a long and costly war).

All these factors required only a spark to trigger off a very large series of significant events.

In many ways, you are describing our 2020s world.

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I think the cataclysm of Summer 1914 was avoidable.

 

[August1991]

IMHO, Putin is not evil.

Unlike Napoleon or Hitler, he does not want to dominate Europe.

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Mao? Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Life_of_Chairman_Mao

 

[Scott75]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

IMHO, Putin is not evil.

Unlike Napoleon or Hitler, he does not want to dominate Europe.

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Mao? Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Life_of_Chairman_Mao

I acknowledge that Putin may have done some pretty bad things, but then, that can be said about a lot of heads of state. The important thing is, as you say, he has no interest in dominating Europe. From what I've seen, he's not that interested in taking most of what's left of Ukraine. What he has wanted since before his military operation in Ukraine began was a European security framework where Russia wouldn't feel that its western neighbours are getting poised to strike them as Germany did at the start of World War II.

Edited March 7 by Scott75

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

What he has wanted since before his military operation in Ukraine began was a European security framework where Russia wouldn't feel that its western neighbours are getting poised to strike them as Germany did at the start of World War II.

Russia lost its faith in its ability to threaten MAD in the event they're attacked?

I don't believe it.

[Scott75]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

7 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I acknowledge that Putin may have done some pretty bad things, but then, that can be said about a lot of heads of state. The important thing is, as you say, he has no interest in dominating Europe. From what I've seen, he's not that interested in taking most of what's left of Ukraine. What he has wanted since before his military operation in Ukraine began was a European security framework where Russia wouldn't feel that its western neighbours are getting poised to strike them as Germany did at the start of World War II.

Russia lost its faith in its ability to threaten MAD in the event they're attacked?

No, that's not what I said. Russia has certainly made it clear that if its existence is threatened, it reserves the right to use the nuclear option and I doubt anyone doubts it. The problem with the U.S. is that it decided to play a game of chicken with Russia. It led to some very dangerous events, such as this one back in September 2024:

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/19/scott-ritter-72-hours/

To his credit, Trump recognized the stupidity of helping Ukraine bomb historical Russia as well:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-putin-russia-ukraine-atacms-f3ca80252ea2812b6ab4f6844f7ecd23

I heard that Trump didn't stop the bombing even in early February, but hopefully it's now been stopped, especially after the row with Zelensky.

[August1991]

On 3/7/2025 at 11:46 AM, Scott75 said:

I acknowledge that Putin may have done some pretty bad things, but then, that can be said about a lot of heads of state. The important thing is, as you say, he has no interest in dominating Europe. ....

Bad things?

Truman dropped two bombs on Japan.

[Scott75]

22 hours ago, August1991 said:

Bad things?

Truman dropped two bombs on Japan.

Yep, as I said, bad things.

[August1991]

Von Neumann wanted to drop several on Soviet Russia -before they got them.

In the early 1990s. it was my thinking of NATO expansion too.

[August1991]

Bump.