Censorship in Trump's America

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Trying to put a meaningful dent in overspending by gutting outfits like USAID is like trying to pay off one’s student loans by scaling back on lattes at Starbucks. The math won’t math.

But DOGE isn’t a fiscal project. It’s an ideological project. And from that standpoint, it’s been pretty successful.

OMG, even the analogies in your links are stupid.

Here's a little latte math for you:

Lattes easily cost $6 here in Canada. If you drink just one latte a day that's $180/month, which is more than $2,000/yr. If you plunk that money into a can instead, after 5 years you've paid off $10k. How many people avg more than 1/day?

But this isn't just about cutting out lattes. It's about still drinking lattes, but not giving $10 to pimps every day, and not giving $10 to escaped prisoners every day, and not giving $10/day to the people who steal bikes and BBQs for a living, and not spending $30/day on drugs. That's $60/day, and that's $22k/yr that you were wasting before. Most people could pay off their college loans pretty quickly with $22k/yr. 

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

You just don't get it.

The US is forfeiting their leadership role in the world of science. I wonder who will assume it now.

… research funding being slashed, staff being told to quit and key programmes being withdrawn,

Another change of the subject. What I get is that you do this in just about every thread you are in. You get called out, challenged, then you change the subject. 

If the rest of the world wants to fund left-wing gender nonsense, let them. 

Are you even an American? 

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

You just don't get it.

The US is forfeiting their leadership role in the world of science. I wonder who will assume it now.

… research funding being slashed, staff being told to quit and key programmes being withdrawn,

for example:

US science in chaos as impact of Trump’s executive orders sinks in

Good! Those departments need to be shooken up and realize that they are not there for a free ride. They need to justify themselves. They need to be able to demonstrate and convince the public that the work they're doing is valuable if they want public dollars.

And people are sick to death of more research being done for special interest groups like trans people, and then have those groups turn around and call them cis colonial oppressors and the like after taking their money. 

It's critical that anyone taking gov't money realizes that they have a duty to convince the public that their investment is being spent as wisely and effectively as possible. It's a limited resource. If the public loses faith in your work this is what's going to happen. And they've lost faith. 

THis is part of the 'woke backlash' and it's what happens when people start to think they're entitled to other people's money. 

[Radiorum]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

more research being done for special interest groups like trans people

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

part of the 'woke backlash'

 

If you think this is what it is about you are sorely mistaken.

 

There has been a war on science from the Right for a long time, and Trump just upped it to a nuclear war.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

 

 

If you think this is what it is about you are sorely mistaken.

 

There has been a war on science from the Right for a long time, and Trump just upped it to a nuclear war.

Kiddo nothing you have said so far has been right, why would I take some random statement that doesn't have even an argument never mind any evidence to back it up as being anything other than you admitting defeat?

This is absolutely what it is. It woke left picked a culture war sometime ago, Americans are fed to the back teeth with it, trump's actions now or because he knows that and can pander to that sentiment in and among the population.

Ask Bud Light how they feel about whether or not people are sick of issues like transgenderism.

And you woke left don't seem to want to learn your lesson. You picked a fight and now you can't finish the fight and trump is kicking your ass. But you should have done is what the gays did which is come forward and learn to work with people and talk with them and have honest discussions and not make up silly little names for them like cis And not make it a conflict. You chose us versus them, you chose a culture war, you chose not to listen when people started to complain and had concerns and you tried to cancel people and hurt them for having a different opinion.

Now there's this. Enjoy.

[Radiorum]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kiddo nothing you have said so far has been right, why would I take some random statement that doesn't have even an argument never mind any evidence to back it up as being anything other than you admitting defeat?

This is absolutely what it is. It woke left picked a culture war sometime ago, Americans are fed to the back teeth with it, trump's actions now or because he knows that and can pander to that sentiment in and among the population.

Ask Bud Light how they feel about whether or not people are sick of issues like transgenderism.

And you woke left don't seem to want to learn your lesson. You picked a fight and now you can't finish the fight and trump is kicking your ass. But you should have done is what the gays did which is come forward and learn to work with people and talk with them and have honest discussions and not make up silly little names for them like cis And not make it a conflict. You chose us versus them, you chose a culture war, you chose not to listen when people started to complain and had concerns and you tried to cancel people and hurt them for having a different opinion.

Now there's this. Enjoy.

 

Oh, so , science is being decimated in the US because scientists use the term cisgender. Oh, okay. Tell me again who is the rational ones?

[User]

41 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Oh, so , science is being decimated in the US because scientists use the term cisgender. Oh, okay. Tell me again who is the rational ones?

How is science being decimated in the US?

I am the rational one because I repeatedly keep trying to get you to do more than make these baseless assertions. 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

There has been a war on science from the Right for a long time, and Trump just upped it to a nuclear war.

That's just more proof that you'll believe anything that you hear on CNN. 

FYI no one hates technology. Not even the Ayatollah. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

 

Oh, so , science is being decimated in the US because scientists use the term cisgender. Oh, okay. Tell me again who is the rational ones?

Once again you demonstrate you know nothing of science. You can't even read. Somebody who denies the evidence in front of them is without a doubt not a scientist.

Because of the culture war which includes such things as insulting terms, hostile attitudes, demands that are patently ridiculous such as anybody who complains about a man flashing his penis in front of his little daughter and a change room is a terrible person and so on Society in general has begun to turn against trans and other similar issues.

As a result trump can cut this funding and nobody will raise a cry because they don't believe it's of any value.

And it's not just transgender issues but that's a big one.

And it's not that scientists use the term it's that the Tranny community has used it as a pejorative much in the way that settler or colonial has become a pejorative whereas traditionally they are not.

Of course you know I'm right. So you try to dismiss it by claiming I only said scientists say cis Or that I didn't mention the rest of the culture war.

This is your doing. Trump can do this because of what you and your fellow activists have done. And it's not like people haven't been telling you, even now many on this board have pointed out to you that there's going to be a backlash the unreasonable hate-filled bigotry that the woke display when conducting the culture war.

Now you see it in front of you and you're like "WOT HOPPEN??!?!".

Kid. Someone who denies the evidence of what is happening around them is not only not a scientist, they're not terribly sane

Edited February 18 by CdnFox

[Radiorum]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Once again you demonstrate you know nothing of science. You can't even read. Somebody who denies the evidence in front of them is without a doubt not a scientist.

Because of the culture war which includes such things as insulting terms, hostile attitudes, demands that are patently ridiculous such as anybody who complains about a man flashing his penis in front of his little daughter and a change room is a terrible person and so on Society in general has begun to turn against trans and other similar issues.

As a result trump can cut this funding and nobody will raise a cry because they don't believe it's of any value.

And it's not just transgender issues but that's a big one.

And it's not that scientists use the term it's that the Tranny community has used it as a pejorative much in the way that settler or colonial has become a pejorative whereas traditionally they are not.

Of course you know I'm right. So you try to dismiss it by claiming I only said scientists say cis Or that I didn't mention the rest of the culture war.

This is your doing. Trump can do this because of what you and your fellow activists have done. And it's not like people haven't been telling you, even now many on this board have pointed out to you that there's going to be a backlash the unreasonable hate-filled bigotry that the woke display when conducting the culture war.

Now you see it in front of you and you're like "WOT HOPPEN??!?!".

Kid. Someone who denies the evidence of what is happening around them is not only not a scientist, they're not terribly sane

 

I’m not sure why you think a wrong-headed ideological backlash is grounds for plunging the scientific community into chaos, that the cries of the uninformed justifies stopping the science. In fact, you are revealing the weakness and the wrongness of the position – in your estimation, science should bend to the will of hysterical ideologues.

In any case, that position is a total ruse.

How to explain cutting in half the workforce at The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), a world-renowned scientific agency, providing research funding and weather monitoring?

How to explain that under Trump’s new directives, travelling for international meeting or even joining a call with Canadian counterparts has become impossible for some U.S. government scientists?

Canadian ecologist Aaron Fisk says he recently tried to set up a virtual call to discuss plans with American colleagues, including a government scientist, around sampling fish.

"We tried to have a quick meeting with one of our collaborators … and they were denied access," Fisk said. 

Trump has taken a wrecking ball to American science in what amounts to an existential threat on its future.

His orders have even resulted in censorship of terms like “biodiversity” and “social justice”

There is a broad scientific consensus on climate change, but American scientists are banned from using the term??

[User]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

I’m not sure why you think a wrong-headed ideological backlash is grounds for plunging the scientific community into chaos,

Again, you have yet to offer any fact-based argument here for how the scientific community is in chaos. 

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

that the cries of the uninformed justifies stopping the science.

What uninformed, how are they uninformed, what science is being stopped?

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

In fact, you are revealing the weakness and the wrongness of the position – in your estimation, science should bend to the will of hysterical ideologues.

No, you have yet to defend anything you are asserting here. 

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

There is a broad scientific consensus on climate change, but American scientists are banned from using the term??

Where were American scientists banned from using the term?

Just more baseless assertions. 

 

[Radiorum]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Again, you have yet to offer any fact-based argument here for how the scientific community is in chaos. 

I have linked several articles

 

[User]

Just now, Radiorum said:

I have linked several articles

 

OK, and?

That is neither fact-based argument or an explanation for what you base your claim about the scientific community on. 

 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I’m not sure why you think a wrong-headed ideological backlash is grounds for plunging the scientific community into chaos, that the cries of the uninformed justifies stopping the science. In fact, you are revealing the weakness and the wrongness of the position – in your estimation, science should bend to the will of hysterical ideologues.

Well that's because you spend too much of your time listening to your emotions rather than reason or logic. 

First, I never said that anything was grounds for anything. I said this is the kind of backlash that is inevitable. If you jump off a cliff, gravity will cause you to fall. If you behave as activists and people such as yourself have done, there will be a major backlash. 

For example, incorrectly labeling peoples concerns as 'wrong headed'.  Why, just because you disagree? That's childish. But it gets people's backs up and makes the interaction confrontational.  And then people tend to push back.  It's pretty simple. 

And no, simply disagreeing with you is not revealing the wrongness of the position.

And nobody is making any statements about what science showed or should not do, this is a funding issue. Nobody is passing any laws restricting science.

And the only one hysterical here is you. Calm down if you can

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

How to explain cutting in half the workforce at The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), a world-renowned scientific agency, providing research funding and weather monitoring?

It saves money.

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

How to explain that under Trump’s new directives, travelling for international meeting or even joining a call with Canadian counterparts has become impossible for some U.S. government scientists?

It saves money

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Trump has taken a wrecking ball to American science in what amounts to an existential threat on its future.

No, that's just you being hysterical

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

His orders have even resulted in censorship of terms like “biodiversity” and “social justice”

No, anybody can still use those words.

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

There is a broad scientific consensus on climate change, but American scientists are banned from using the term??

Nobody is banned from using the term.

 

You can't even be honest about what your claim is. Honestly how do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you can't even discuss the matter without going into absolute foaming rants that aren't factual.

Trump was elected on a platform of copy government costs and ending public money spent on what is perceived as Wok nonsense. So he is cutting the funding for many types of research that are either wasteful or focus on said woke ideologies. The scientists have completely failed to convince the public that the work they're doing in those specific areas has value and now they're on the chopping block.

The scientists will have to restructure and look at how they're raising money for certain projects and either sell the public on the idea that their research is completely necessary and worth public funding or raise the money privately which is entirely doable even if it is a little more work.

This happens in most Industries regularly. Even Canada itself is in the same boat right now where we have to take a serious look at how Reliant we become on the united states and break that reliance and restructure and do things differently.

 

[Radiorum]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

labeling peoples concerns as 'wrong headed'.  Why, just because you disagree?

No, because ignorant opinions without any basis in science have no business directing what science should do

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody is passing any laws restricting science.

You're really showing your naivete with this one. Trump policy will have enormous effects on US science. First of all, the federal government funds about 20% of all science research and development. And scientists work together. Collaboration will be disrupted at all levels.

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It saves money.

 

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It saves money

 

Make up your mind. is it a backlash against things like DEI, or is it to save money?

And what will the saved money  be used for?

And how does not allowing American scientists to collaborate with Canadian scientists save money?

 

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, that's just you being hysterical

No, it something I read.

Scientists across the country are in turmoil as President Donald Trump wages an assault on U.S. research.

They’re worried about their funding and job security. They’re censoring their language around topics like climate change and diversity. And they’re wondering what kinds of science they’ll be allowed to conduct in a rapidly shifting U.S. research landscape.

The Trump administration has frozen billions of dollars in funding, paused grant reviews, cut critical support for institutional science 

https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-takes-giant-wrecking-ball-to-us-research/

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, anybody can still use those words.

The federal government has outlawed them in official research. This does not concern you???

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody is banned from using the term.

If you cannot see how this is going to harm US science, you are being blind.

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

either wasteful

Science is never wasteful.

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The scientists have completely failed to convince the public that the work they're doing in those specific areas has value and now they're on the chopping block.

The NOAA has no value? WTF are you talking about?

The US is entering a dark ages, and now with Trump wanting to summit with Putin and Xi (Trump says he wants to half the defense budget) to enter into some sort of defense deal, well, we'll see where this goes.

What do you make of these quotes of Trump's?

“When we straighten it all out, then I want one of the first meetings I have [to be] with President Xi of China, President Putin of Russia. And I want to say, let’s cut our military budget in half,” Trump said ahead of a summit meeting with Indian President Narendra Modi.

“We’re going to have them spend a lot less money,” Trump added. “We’re going to spend a lot less money. And I know they’re going to do it.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/14/trump-floats-summit-with-xi-putin-to-discuss-halving-of-military-budgets

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No, because ignorant opinions without any basis in science have no business directing what science should do

 

Really? Men having penises has no basis in science?

And Nobody is directing what science should or should not do. This is a funding issue, one group that funds some research has said that they will not be putting their limited resources into THIS research. Others are still free to do so.

You literally couldn't go one sentence without lying and without Also being wrong.

In fact people's concerns are 100% legitimate concerns and based entirely in science, in addition to the heratige and cultural norms that have been accepted for hundreds of years or more (it's not ok to waive your penis in front of little girls). That doesn't mean that there's not a way to address that, doesn't mean that there aren't Counterpoints or room for discussion.

But to pretend that they aren't legitimate is childish and stupid.

Almost equally as childish and stupid is pretending that the people who are paying the bills for something have no right giving direction as to how that money is spent. The public puts that money up. The public absolutely has every right to say how that money is going to be spent for research. And trump and congress are the representatives that the public has put forward to address these issues specifically.

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You're really showing your naivete with this one. Trump policy will have enormous effects on US science. First of all, the federal government funds about 20% of all science research and development. And scientists work together. Collaboration will be disrupted at all levels.

You literally just proved you're a liar. I said nobody is passing laws restricting science. Then you say that's wrong but then immediately go on to point out that he's not restricting science in any way shape or form he simply reducing funding.

You can't go a single freaking phrase without lying! Why would you think anybody's taking you seriously at this point

14 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Make up your mind. is it a backlash against things like DEI, or is it to save money?

Two things can be true at once kiddo. The public has determined that this research has no value and they are angry about their money being spent on it. Trump needs to save money to pay for his tax cuts. Therefore he's cutting here because people consider it a waste of money.

Honestly if I have to explain everything to you as if you are a five-year-old child it's just becomes tedious.

16 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No, it something I read.

You read some propaganda and now you're hysterical. I stand by my original comment

16 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The NOAA has no value? WTF are you talking about?

Did he shut down the NOAA? No? It's still functional? Just lost a little bit of funding?

So you're lying.  I said the research that Had funding cut was of no value in the eyes of the public and you change that into the NOAA has no value according to me.

Kid you are so done on this issue it's not even funny. You can't make your case. You lie at every single turn. You hysterically over exaggerate everything and you can't address a single point that's being made.

Getting to the point where if you are upset about something having its funding cut I'm 99% sure it was probably a good idea to cut its funding. Because honestly virtually everything else you say turns out to be wrong when i look at it. 

[impartialobserver]

Well if the research is that profound.. it can wait until 2028 when Trump is out.