CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 27 minutes ago, robosmith said: OTC, it's people like you who don't care about the FUTURE PASSENGERS killed in order to deflect responsibility by Trump's FAA including the Director who was forced out by Musk. đŸ¤® So in other words I don't care about people that haven't died and they never die but I'm terrible because I do care about people who died today and don't think they should be politicized like this. You realize that says a lot worse about you than it does about me right? Quote
Venandi Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 This is a few days old but it provides a bit of orientation and "big picture" context, there are some worthwhile comments in the remarks section as well. Â Â Quote
Black Dog Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 15 hours ago, CdnFox said: Yep But as usual you take a position on something and then run away as soon as you realize it's not defensible. Yawn. Any problems with ATC people or practices would be biden's issue if anyones at this point, not trump. Sorry. As usual you backpedal and lie when your nonsense is proven wrong and then declare victory even as your diaper overflows. You claimed all ATCs were hired by Biden. That's not the case. That's it, that's the argument. You lose. You always lose because you're a loser. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: As usual you backpedal and lie when your nonsense is proven wrong and then declare victory even as your diaper overflows. Â Quote
Venandi Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) ATC hiring is ongoing, and like pilot hiring, it attempts to compensate for expected attrition, operational tempo and future needs. It's an experienced based occupation and getting the equation right is tricky at best, there's also a high failure rate during training, somewhere in the order of 40%. So, at the current rate of hiring/attrition it will take about 8 years to get the trade to full manning. As is the case with the military, attrition is a real issue here, almost half of the existing (fully qualified) controllers are working 6 days a week so burnout is a factor, that makes it difficult for new hires in the pipeline to make a noticeable dent in the shortages (other than attrition) and why 8 years is being projected.... this isn't new, it's not a sudden epiphany. Maximum hiring is required.... if (and I say if because I don't know) DEI hiring translated into quotas and classes were undermanned as a result of targets not being met then that's certainly a problem but DEI, in and of itself, is unlikely to be an issue in terms of competence. Manning is a whole different issue. As always though, sentences ending in "duh" or LMAO bring little to the table. This accident has shone a light on a problem that's been ongoing for years and there's no quick fix IMO. Other than manning issues, ATC doesn't appear to be in the cause factor reticle but it's early days and time will tell. To me it looks procedural, and even if the procedures were followed to a T we could likely have an entire thread on why they were potentially problematic with the UHF/VHF comms issue and circling approach being conducted. Personally, and to the maximum extent possible, I avoided using UHF in high density airspace for that very reason.  '  Edited February 8 by Venandi Quote
Black Dog Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: That's your white flag I guess. Edited February 8 by Black Dog Quote
CdnFox Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 6 hours ago, Black Dog said: That's your white flag I guess. It's actually a white hanky, you look like you were going to cry so I thought I'd lend one to you   Oh and uhhh... you can keep it, i don't want it back now  Quote
Black Dog Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 24 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It's actually a white hanky, you look like you were going to cry so I thought I'd lend one to you   Oh and uhhh... you can keep it, i don't want it back now  Uh you can’t actually see people through the screen, didn’t your court appointed psychiatrist tell you that? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Black Dog said: Uh you can’t actually see people through the screen, didn’t your court appointed psychiatrist tell you that? Oh, i forgot you lefties have no sense of humour  i keep forgetting you're not a real boy LOL! Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) Â Another plane crash in America. This makes 4 incidents in 3 weeks, under the Trump Administration. This one occurring in Arizona. Trump has made air travel dangerous. Edited February 11 by DUI_Offender Quote
CdnFox Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Â Another plane crash in America. This makes 4 incidents in 3 weeks, under the Trump Administration. This one occurring in Arizona. Trump has made air travel dangerous. I see you're still trying to prop up the dead like some sort of ghoul in order to make a cheap political point. Well I'm sure the republicans will appreciate four more years after trump. By all means keep it up. Nothing wins people over to your side like mocking the dead Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I see you're still trying to prop up the dead like some sort of ghoul in order to make a cheap political point. Well I'm sure the republicans will appreciate four more years after trump. By all means keep it up. Nothing wins people over to your side like mocking the dead Trump just announced that his most loyal supporters, are now shoving carrots up their asses. I think you may want to go to the grocery store, and buy some. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I see you're still trying to prop up the dead like some sort of ghoul in order to make a cheap political point. Well I'm sure the republicans will appreciate four more years after trump. By all means keep it up. Nothing wins people over to your side like mocking the dead He's probably still planning missions to kill CEOs. 1 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Trump just announced that his most loyal supporters, are now shoving carrots up their asses. I think you may want to go to the grocery store, and buy some. Oh look, he's losing a debate so to defend himself he breaks out the homosexual fantasies because that's what intelligent people turn to when they can't defend their position  Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 This thread proves that all they've got is blaming random events on the POTUS. This guy actually thinks a DOD helicopter violating a clearance, an extremely old lear jet having a catastrophic control failure, a single engine airplane crashing on ice and a collapsed nose gear are all because some committee wasn't making suggestions. It's pathetic. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
NAME REMOVED Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 20 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: He's probably still planning missions to kill CEOs. I thought you were going to have me arrested by the FBI, for my Luigi thread? I guess the FBI realised that you were some clown in the Midwest, and never followed up on it. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: I thought you were going to have me arrested by the FBI, for my Luigi thread? I guess the FBI realised that you were some clown in the Midwest, and never followed up on it. Do you think they get to those reports that fast? You were crossing a line and I have zero regrets. When you start advocating that people that run companies be killed, you absolutely should be investigated. Edited February 11 by gatomontes99 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
NAME REMOVED Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) 18 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: This thread proves that all they've got is blaming random events on the POTUS. This guy actually thinks a DOD helicopter violating a clearance, an extremely old lear jet having a catastrophic control failure, a single engine airplane crashing on ice and a collapsed nose gear are all because some committee wasn't making suggestions. It's pathetic.   Scorecard:  Biden (4 years): one plane crash Trump (3 weeks): 4 plane crashes.  Trump's gutting of the FAA is going to make planes literally crash in mid air. It's only going to get worse from here... Edited February 11 by DUI_Offender Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Do you think they get to those reports that fast? You were crossing a line and I have zero regrets. When you start advocating that people that run companies be killed, you absolutely should be investigated. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: I thought we'd agreed you'd save your drinking for the weekend? Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, CdnFox said:  I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay I sleep all night and I work all day I cut down trees, I skip and jump I like to press wild flowers I put on women's clothing And hang around in bars He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps He likes to press wild flowers He puts on women's clothing And hangs around in bars I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay I sleep all night and I work all day I cut down trees, I wear high heels Suspendies, and a bra I wish I'd been a girlie Just like my dear Papa  Interesting... Edited February 11 by DUI_Offender Quote
Black Dog Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 12 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: He's probably still planning missions to kill CEOs. Based. Do you know if he's taking suggestions? Quote
Venandi Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 13 hours ago, Greg Sucks said: Trump just announced that his most loyal supporters, are now shoving carrots up their asses. You should probably stop snacking on those carrots, one of the first symptoms of excessive consumption is failing to remember your name.  Based on the video (actually other views), it looks like the left main gear collapsed... nothing to do with Trump or ATC. Quote
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