Five of swords Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 The people commonly labeled as 'nazis' (who were actually national socialists) had a very intelligent and internally consistent world view. Many of you would probably say werner heisenberg, for example, (father of quantum physics and well know for the 'heisenberg uncertainty principle') was an intelligent and functional human. He was also a dedicated national socialist. You just were never informed of that because you are supposed to think all naxis are raving lunatics. Otto Hahn who developed the technology for nuclear fission power was also a dedicated national socialist. Von Braun who got the us to the moon was also a national socialist...and there is some attempt to spin him as a repentant natsoc but he never really seemed to feel bad about it himself. The people you think the national socialists were is simply a fiction. And everything you think they believed is also a fiction. There even exist people who pretend they themselves are national socialists simply because they know the nazis were the most hated people and they simply want to be antisocial...but they also haveno clue what the national socialists believed. The ides that the 'nazis' were all deranged psychopaths is also useful for the usa because they can pretend that all their geopolitical adversaries are also deranged psychopaths...now that every knows it is possible for a major power to be ruled by deranged psychopaths because Germany was (but actually it isn't true). This way the usa can pretend putin is Hitler or Sadam hussein is Hitler or whatever...and therefore ignore any possibility of reasonable negotiation rather than war. The myth of Hitler as insane helps to justify war and genocide. And in fact...if you fall for this trick...you should feel very bad about yourself. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Five of swords said: The people commonly labeled as 'nazis' (who were actually national socialists) had a very intelligent and internally consistent world view.Many of you would probably say werner heisenberg, for example, (father of quantum physics and well know for the 'heisenberg uncertainty principle') was an intelligent and functional human. He was also a dedicated national socialist. You just were never informed of that because you are supposed to think all naxis are raving lunatics. Otto Hahn who developed the technology for nuclear fission power was also a dedicated national socialist. Von Braun who got the us to the moon was also a national socialist...and there is some attempt to spin him as a repentant natsoc but he never really seemed to feel bad about it himself. lol you mean the Operation Paperclip crew were ackshually Nazis? Wow I didn't know that you're telling me now for the first time. J/K, everyone knows that. Quote The people you think the national socialists were is simply a fiction. And everything you think they believed is also a fiction. There even exist people who pretend they themselves are national socialists simply because they know the nazis were the most hated people and they simply want to be antisocial...but they also haveno clue what the national socialists believed. I've heard of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy but this is the first time I've heard of the "no true Nazi" version. Quote The ides that the 'nazis' were all deranged psychopaths is also useful for the usa because they can pretend that all their geopolitical adversaries are also deranged psychopaths...now that every knows it is possible for a major power to be ruled by deranged psychopaths because Germany was (but actually it isn't true). This way the usa can pretend putin is Hitler or Sadam hussein is Hitler or whatever...and therefore ignore any possibility of reasonable negotiation rather than war. The myth of Hitler as insane helps to justify war and genocide. He was insane though. Or very, very stupid. Probably both. And out of his head on drugs, can't forget the drugs. Not every bad guy in history was a deranged psychopath, but Hitler certainly fit the bill. Quote And in fact...if you fall for this trick...you should feel very bad about yourself. I don't think anyone should feel bad about thinking the worst of nazis, actually. Edited January 23 by Black Dog 3 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Five of swords said: The people commonly labeled as 'nazis' (who were actually national socialists) had a very intelligent and internally consistent world view. Many of you would probably say werner heisenberg, for example, (father of quantum physics and well know for the 'heisenberg uncertainty principle') was an intelligent and functional human. He was also a dedicated national socialist. You just were never informed of that because you are supposed to think all naxis are raving lunatics. Otto Hahn who developed the technology for nuclear fission power was also a dedicated national socialist. Von Braun who got the us to the moon was also a national socialist...and there is some attempt to spin him as a repentant natsoc but he never really seemed to feel bad about it himself. The people you think the national socialists were is simply a fiction. And everything you think they believed is also a fiction. There even exist people who pretend they themselves are national socialists simply because they know the nazis were the most hated people and they simply want to be antisocial...but they also haveno clue what the national socialists believed. The ides that the 'nazis' were all deranged psychopaths is also useful for the usa because they can pretend that all their geopolitical adversaries are also deranged psychopaths...now that every knows it is possible for a major power to be ruled by deranged psychopaths because Germany was (but actually it isn't true). This way the usa can pretend putin is Hitler or Sadam hussein is Hitler or whatever...and therefore ignore any possibility of reasonable negotiation rather than war. The myth of Hitler as insane helps to justify war and genocide. And in fact...if you fall for ^this trick...you should feel very bad about yourself. Just because FASCISTS name themselves "National Socialists" does not mean it's true. Do you also believe that NK is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? LMAO Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 22 minutes ago, Black Dog said: lol you mean the Operation Paperclip crew were ackshually Nazis? Wow I didn't know that you're telling me now for the first time. J/K, everyone knows that. I've heard of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy but this is the first time I've heard of the "no true Nazi" version. He was insane though. Or very, very stupid. Probably both. And out of his head on drugs, can't forget the drugs. Not every bad guy in history was a deranged psychopath, but Hitler certainly fit the bill. I don't think anyone should feel bad about thinking the worst of nazis, actually. No, this is just dumb. If Hitler eas insane, he never would have become dictator of Germany. And the uk never would have declared war on him. He would have just been an irrelevant person nobody heard of. Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 28 minutes ago, robosmith said: And in fact...if you fall for ^this trick...you should feel very bad about yourself. Just because FASCISTS name themselves "National Socialists" does not mean it's true. Do you also believe that NK is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? LMAO Do they call themselves nazis? Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, Five of swords said: No, this is just dumb. If Hitler eas insane, he never would have become dictator of Germany. And the uk never would have declared war on him. He would have just been an irrelevant person nobody heard of. Well see the problem with your theory is all those things happened and he was inane or at least a psychopath. Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, Five of swords said: Do they call themselves nazis? The POINT WHOOSH YOUR HEAD The point is, what they call themselves is irrelevant. What they do is relevant. Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Well see the problem with your theory is all those things happened and he was inane or at least a psychopath. Yeah...except he wasn't. And germans were not stupid or easily duped. And psychopaths are not able to be as much of a threat as he was. 9 minutes ago, robosmith said: The POINT WHOOSH YOUR HEAD The point is, what they call themselves is irrelevant. What they do is relevant. My point was that national socialists didn't call themselves nazis. What they did call themselves is obviously relevant to that claim. So you are just admitting you didn't make a point. Edited January 23 by Five of swords Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Five of swords said: Yeah...except he wasn't. He was tho, just look at his actions and behaviour. He was not right in the head. Quote And germans were not stupid or easily duped. And yet! Quote And psychopaths are not able to be as much of a threat as he was. Again, this is an assumption without evidence. Meanwhile the evidence he was a psycho is very much in abundance. Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Black Dog said: He was tho, just look at his actions and behaviour. He was not right in the head. And yet! Again, this is an assumption without evidence. Meanwhile the evidence he was a psycho is very much in abundance. I think his actions and behavior reveal him to be one of the greatest and most compassionate leaders in human history. Shrug. 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just now, Five of swords said: I think his actions and behavior reveal him to be one of the greatest and most compassionate leaders in human history. Shrug. Leaving aside the whole Holocaust thing, starting a war you were always going to lose that ends up killing like 15 million of your own people and reducing your country to ashes isn't the hallmark of a smart or compassionate leader. There might have been some smart Nazis but, buddy, you ain't one of 'em. Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 Just now, Black Dog said: Leaving aside the whole Holocaust thing, starting a war you were always going to lose that ends up killing like 15 million of your own people and reducing your country to ashes isn't the hallmark of a smart or compassionate leader. There might have been some smart Nazis but, buddy, you ain't one of 'em. He didn't start the war. The uk did. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 45 minutes ago, Five of swords said: Yeah...except he wasn't. And germans were not stupid or easily duped. And psychopaths are not able to be as much of a threat as he was. My point was that national socialists didn't call themselves nazis. What they did call themselves is obviously relevant to that claim. So you are just admitting you didn't make a point. No YOU are CLAIMING THAT. My point is, it doesn't matter WHAT they call themselves, it's what they did that matters. Strike TWO Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Well see the problem with your theory is all those things happened and he was inane or at least a psychopath. And he wouldn't have sent over 5 million to death camps either.🤣 54 minutes ago, Five of swords said: I think his actions and behavior reveal him to be one of the greatest and most compassionate leaders in human history. Shrug. You mean the guy responsible for millions killed in death camps? You really are a sad piece of work. Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Interesting how this is in the Federal Politics in the US forum. Something Freudian going on here? Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: And he wouldn't have sent over 5 million to death camps either.🤣 You mean the guy responsible for millions killed in death camps? You really are a sad piece of work. I don't believe death camps existed. But even if they did, he happened to believe that jews were a serious threat to all civilization and indeed humanity itself. So...what he did to jews was perfectly justified. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Five of swords said: I don't believe death camps existed. But even if they did, he happened to believe that jews were a serious threat to all civilization and indeed humanity itself. So...what he did to jews was perfectly justified. Well I've been to one numb nuts, maybe you should get out of your basement and see something of the real world. I grew up with some of the survivors who lost everyone in their family. Maybe one day someone will come along who thinks you deserve the same fate.s Thanks for confirming what you really are. Edited January 23 by Aristides Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Aristides said: Well I've been to one numb nuts, maybe you should get out of your basement and see something of the real world. I grew up with some of the survivors who lost everyone in their family. Maybe one day someone will come along who thinks you deserve the same fate.s Thanks for confirming what you really are. So when you observed jews being gassed, what did you do? 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Five of swords said: So when you observed jews being gassed, what did you do? Well I wouldn't have been pouring Zyclon B down the air vents like you. Do you think I am that old? Some of them are still there and you can tour them with guides who are descendants of some of the inmates. Try feeding them your garbage. Edited January 23 by Aristides 1 Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Well I wouldn't have been pouring Zyclon B down the air vents like you. Do you think I am that old? Some of them are still there and you can tour them with guides who are descendants of some of the inmates. Try feeding them your garbage. You know that you are being trolled? If not... its pretty obvious. Quote
robosmith Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: You know that you are being trolled? If not... its pretty obvious. Swords is on record being a NAZI. Or National Socialist, as he calls it. Could be a true believer. 🤮 Quote
impartialobserver Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Swords is on record being a NAZI. Or National Socialist, as he calls it. Could be a true believer. 🤮 regardless if he is or not.. he is posting as a means of getting a predictably outraged response. Just really attention seeking behavior at its root. 1 1 Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 43 minutes ago, Aristides said: Well I wouldn't have been pouring Zyclon B down the air vents like you. Do you think I am that old? Some of them are still there and you can tour them with guides who are descendants of some of the inmates. Try feeding them your garbage. So you haven't actually seen a death camp. You saw a building the red army claimed was a death camp. Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 20 minutes ago, Five of swords said: So you haven't actually seen a death camp. You saw a building the red army claimed was a death camp. It wasn't a death camp but 70,000 people died there. Mostly Poles worked to death, not Jews. Quote
Five of swords Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 Just now, Aristides said: It wasn't a death camp but 70,000 people died there. Mostly Poles worked to death, not Jews. Oh so now the alleged former death camp you saw was not even a death camp? You change your story a lot. Why should anyone believe you about the poles? 50 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: regardless if he is or not.. he is posting as a means of getting a predictably outraged response. Just really attention seeking behavior at its root. Why should responses be outraged? Is this a topic people are incapable of being rational about? Why? Quote
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