How long before Hegseth uses the military against American citizens?

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Actually I never have. I don't watch TV.

Bullshìt. You didn't come up with this fantasy on your own.

[Radiorum]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Bullshìt. You didn't come up with this fantasy on your own.

I read a lot, and I gave Hegseth's quotes from things that I have read. Tell me, how do you interpret the things he's written?

[gatomontes99]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I read a lot, and I gave Hegseth's quotes from things that I have read. Tell me, how do you interpret the things he's written?

The first two quotes were lamenting Marxism in education and lawyers questioning battle tactics.

The third quote is a metaphor that is just lazy writing. It has been used at least 1 million times.

The last quote is actually a quote from Hillary Clinton about Hamas...so what does it have to do with Pete?

Put the first three together, and you have a conservative career warrior. He understands that America is a country based on freedoms being held by the citizens, not the government. He knows that Marxism, if installed, will relieve all that reside in our country of all rights and effectively end the Earth's greatest experiment in governance.

He also understands that the military has one job, kill people and break things. They are do things that, if not authorized by the government, are blatantly illegal. But the government authorized it. To be effective, they must be free of unreasonable legal constraints and should only be held accountable for not following orders. Even then, only by their own and only when the actions are blatantly intentional. We shouldn't be fighting righteous enemies so we shouldn't treat our warriors like criminals.

None of this connects with the original thesis that Hegseth will use the military to attack liberals. The only, very loose, connection is a general hostility towards the liberal ideology and his military background. It is an absurd connection to make. However, I have come to expect absurd connections from the left. After all, we have a certain poster here that says Trump wasn't like Hitler in his first term and Hitler wasn't like Hitler in his first term so they are exactly alike.

[Radiorum]

10 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Marxism

Do you understand what Marxism is? It calls for the state to have control of all the means of production and the appropriation of all surplus value. The capitalist state should be abolished and government should be in the hands of the working people.

In what universe do you think the US is at any risk of this?

Hegseth is doing nothing but fear-mongering with conspiracy theories to justify future infringement on rights.

[gatomontes99]

54 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Do you understand what Marxism is? It calls for the state to have control of all the means of production and the appropriation of all surplus value. The capitalist state should be abolished and government should be in the hands of the working people.

In what universe do you think the US is at any risk of this?

Hegseth is doing nothing but fear-mongering with conspiracy theories to justify future infringement on rights.

We literally have congressional representatives that support Marxism. Bernie and AOC are just two well known for their support of total control of the economy.

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

We literally have congressional representatives that support Marxism. Bernie and AOC are just two well known for their support of total control of the economy.

 

Cite required, dummy!

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Black Dog said:

 

Cite required, dummy!

Here you go

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s crass Marxist materialism – Religion & Liberty Online

She makes Marxist comments all the time actually

[gatomontes99]

7 hours ago, Black Dog said:

 

Cite required, dummy!

Omg...if i said the Sun was hot, you would want a source.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Omg...if i said the Sun was hot, you would want a source.

And would immediately just denounce your source as being too partisan Or claim that it says something completely other than what it says etc etc

I mean it's not like he can actually argue with what you said and make a reasonable counter argument. He knows you're right so sea lioning is only thing he's got

[Black Dog]

15 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Omg...if i said the Sun was hot, you would want a source.

That's because you MAGAtards are always full of shit.

[Black Dog]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here you go

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s crass Marxist materialism – Religion & Liberty Online

She makes Marxist comments all the time actually

Oh wow you actually provided a source! Mark it on the calendar for this is a momentous day.

Unfortunately, your source does not address the claim that was actually made which was not "AOC and Bernie express ideas around economics that can be traced to Marxism" but rather "Bernie and AOC are just two well known for their support of total control of the economy." So while we can applaud the effort, you have failed again.

 

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And would immediately just denounce your source as being too partisan Or claim that it says something completely other than what it says etc etc

This problem would be avoided if you simply bothered to read the things you post before they post them to ensure they actually connect to your arguments, but alas that is seldom the case.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Black Dog

[Deluge]

On 11/24/2024 at 1:42 PM, Radiorum said:

It’s a real war to Hegseth. He’s one paranoid dude. How long before he uses the military against the Left? According to him, they are all Marxists, and should be treated like enemy combatants.

Well, to be fair, the vast majority of democrats support illegal immigration, so he can't just sit there and let your side facilitate crime and terrorism. There have to be consequences for breaking immigration law.  

[Radiorum]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

the vast majority of democrats support illegal immigration

You have to stop believing Donald Trump. he is a liar.

 

8 minutes ago, Deluge said:

There have to be consequences for breaking immigration law.

Then why did Trump kill the bipartisan border bill - the toughest one yet?

 

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

your side

??

 

[gatomontes99]

42 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

That's because you MAGAtards are always full of shit.

But, if i give you a source you'll either pretend it isn't a valid source or runaway. So why should I? It isnt like what I said is some obscure knowledge.

[Deluge]

19 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

1. You have to stop believing Donald Trump. he is a liar.

2. Then why did Trump kill the bipartisan border bill - the toughest one yet?

3. ??

1. I don't need Trump to tell me what I'm seeing with my own eyes. YOU need to abandon the left. 

2. Because the bipartisan bill isn't tough enough. It needs to be much tougher. ZERO illegals per day needs to be the goal, not up to 3,000 illegals per day.

Besides, Trump already has a plan in place. 

3. ?

Edited November 27, 2024 by Deluge

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

But, if i give you a source you'll either pretend it isn't a valid source or runaway. So why should I? It isnt like what I said is some obscure knowledge.

Stop using bullshit sources then, IDK what to tell you.

[gatomontes99]

5 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Stop using bullshit sources then, IDK what to tell you.

I don't use bullshìt sources. I use sources you don't like because they make you look bad:

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Marxism: Socialism

Much like communism, socialism is a system of politics and economics with roots in Marxist ideals. In socialism, a central government owns all means of wealth, but individuals can still own property. Additionally, unlike the violent uprisings that can arise with communism, socialism typically occurs more organically through reforms and changes with an elected government. While a true socialist society doesn’t exist, a few close runner ups are Norway and Denmark. However, these governments still have capitalist sectors.

Marxist Theory Defined

At its center, Marxism was a theory created by Marx and Engels to create a classless society where workers were appreciated and worked to benefit the common good. While the true theory has never reached fruition, a few governments have tried through communism and socialism. https://www.yourdictionary.com/articles/marxism-definition

List of socialists in the house and Senate, by year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_members_of_the_United_States_Congress

 

But, yeah, you go ahead and believe Marxists dont exist in our government.

[Black Dog]

14 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I don't use bullshìt sources. I use sources you don't like because they make you look bad:

List of socialists in the house and Senate, by year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_members_of_the_United_States_Congress

But, yeah, you go ahead and believe Marxists dont exist in our government.

Hey dipshit, do i need to explain your own claim to you again? You said ""Bernie and AOC are just two well known for their support of total control of the economy." Do you have any public statements by either of these lawmakers expressing such views or are you full of shit?

BTW socialist and Marxist aren't interchangeable terms. All Marxists are socialists but not all socialists are Marxist. You dumbass.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Oh wow you actually provided a source!

I do every time. You enjoy pretending otherwise because it lets you ignore the data and information that the sources provide without having to go through all the effort of finding some cheesy excuse to deny it

 

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Unfortunately, your source does not address the claim that was actually made

And there we go   

The source addresses it just fine. You will try and deny it, and you will try and pick it apart and try and pretend that some words don't mean what they actually do mean in English and so on and so forth as you always do. But we both know it's a lie.

You're wrong, he's right, you're a brainless fart. Same as always

[gatomontes99]

29 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Hey dipshit, do i need to explain your own claim to you again? You said ""Bernie and AOC are just two well known for their support of total control of the economy." Do you have any public statements by either of these lawmakers expressing such views or are you full of shit?

BTW socialist and Marxist aren't interchangeable terms. All Marxists are socialists but not all socialists are Marxist. You dumbass.

Yes. They call themselves democratic socialists. AKA Marxists. I.e. they want total control over the economy.

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/27/17509604/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democratic-socialist-of-america

    What does DSA believe in?

    Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state — though the exact specifics of “abolishing capitalism” are fiercely debated by socialists.

 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes. They call themselves democratic socialists. AKA Marxists. I.e. they want total control over the economy.

 

He knows. That's why he's trying to pretend that the sources don't exist. This is a game he constantly plays, when he can't dispute your point he then demands cites and if you give him one that he will spend the rest of the discussion trying to pick it apart while ignoring the original conversation that he couldn't defend.

It's a cheesy little limp dick leftist debating trick that they think is clever and anybody who's graduated high school doesn't

Sanders and Cortez have made it quite clear. But he doesn't want to address the fact that there are people who subscribe to elements of Marxism or socialism in the democrat party because then he would have to deal with the rest of the items you  said but he can't.

As usual he's lost but he just isn't a man enough to admit it

Edited November 27, 2024 by CdnFox

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes. They call themselves democratic socialists. AKA Marxists. I.e. they want total control over the economy.

Democratic Socialists aren't Marxists, dummy.

Democratic socialism is contrasted with Marxism–Leninism, whose opponents often perceive as being authoritarian, bureaucratic, and undemocratic in practice.^[18] Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and the Marxist–Leninist economic planning system, rejecting as their form of governance the administrative-command model formed in the Soviet Union and other Marxist–Leninist states during the 20th century.

I've never heard Bernie or AOC actuallycall for the complete overthrow oif captalism and total control over the economy. They're social democrats, not revolutionaries.

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He knows. That's why he's trying to pretend that the sources don't exist. This is a game he constantly plays, when he can't dispute your point he then demands cites and if you give him one that he will spend the rest of the discussion trying to pick it apart while ignoring the original conversation that he couldn't defend.

That you so often fail to provide cites that actually support your argument is a you problem.

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Sanders and Cortez have made it quite clear.

Well it should be easy to provide some sort of cite of them saying they want total control of the economy them shouldn't it, you dumb c(nt?

Quote

But he doesn't want to address the fact that there are people who subscribe to elements of Marxism or socialism in the democrat party because then he would have to deal with the rest of the items you  said but he can't.

LOL Marxism is socialism, but not all socialism is Marxism, but then you're a person who doesn't understand the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy so you shitting the bed here is no surprise.

[gatomontes99]

6 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Democratic Socialists aren't Marxists, dummy.

Democratic socialism is contrasted with Marxism–Leninism, whose opponents often perceive as being authoritarian, bureaucratic, and undemocratic in practice.^[18] Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and the Marxist–Leninist economic planning system, rejecting as their form of governance the administrative-command model formed in the Soviet Union and other Marxist–Leninist states during the 20th century.

I've never heard Bernie or AOC actuallycall for the complete overthrow oif captalism and total control over the economy. They're social democrats, not revolutionaries.

No, don't move the goal posts. You asked how they want to control the economy. I posted what they call themselves and how they are the same as Marxists. Further, I published a quote fromnthe organization they profess to support that calls for total control of the economy and replacing the capitalist system.

You can try to find trifle differences, but authoritarian rule by vote is not functionally different from authoritarian rule by an individual.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

 

I've never heard Bernie or AOC actuallycall for the complete overthrow oif captalism and total control over the economy. They're social democrats, not revolutionaries.

blah blah blah  "I"M WRONG BUT I"M BUTTHURT ABOUT IT SO I"LL TRY TO LIE MY WAY OUT OF IT AND MAKE THE DEBATE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE!!! WAAAAH" 

And yes she says that capitalism is "unredeemable"

AOC denounces capitalisms as a pursuit of profit at all costs run by a wealthy minority  | Daily Mail Online

U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said capitalism is 'not a redeemable system' for Americans and represents a 'pursuit of profit' with disregard for any human, environment and social consequences run by an elite minority. 

 

All of this is available with a super quick web search, which you probably did and which you probably knew that she absolutely does hate capitalism. Let's face it, he could have brought you a letter signed by AOC herself stating I am a Marxist, Marxism is great, Long Live Marxism and you would still be saying there's no evidence

This is why nobody bothers with cites with you.  Even when given express and obvious proof you simply deny it and pretend nobody ever gives you evidence. And that's because you don't know how to make an actual argument